To go mirrorless or not to go mirrorless, that is the question.

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Having used a Canon 5d Mkii for the last year I'm thinking of going to something newer and looking for an upgrade but the Mk4 is out of my range.
To gain a better DR am tempted to go for a Sony A7, Is going mirorless a big change?
Any other points?
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I went from 5Dmk1 to A7 and MFT.

I suppose one of the biggest differences is going from OVF to EVF. Personally I'll never go back as to me there are just so many advantages of having an EVF including WYSIWYG and the focus and exposure aids. And of course there's no MA faff on.
 
Wait a bit and pocket 5Ds (r). Why would you want something so small you can grasp it properly and without real viewfinder and just the pixelated laggy mess?
I suspect you haven't tried a more recent good EVF. As for size, you must be a youngster as in the days of film we had SLR's and guess what? They were mostly the size of mirrorless cameras not the rather large lumps that top end DSLR's have become. Mirrorless cameras are just taking us back to the size cameras used to be before they started getting up and raiding the fridge when we're asleep in bed.
 
went mirrorless once. from canon setup to fuji ex-1.. loved the fuji but EVF lag on that model was pretty poor. things have moved ona bit now though and again due to health issues and unable to lug heavy camera gear around ive just sold my 60D with a host of lenses including big heavy 150-600 tamron and again moving back to fuji.. going extreme opposite though as opting for the fixed lens x100T with the dual optical / evf finder.
As a glasses wearer that has to wear varifocals using EVF did cause some issues so if youve never used one always with giving them a try first as some people no matter how good the evf is just cant get along with them
 
I suspect you haven't tried a more recent good EVF. As for size, you must be a youngster as in the days of film we had SLR's and guess what? They were mostly the size of mirrorless cameras not the rather large lumps that top end DSLR's have become. Mirrorless cameras are just taking us back to the size cameras used to be before they started getting up and raiding the fridge when we're asleep in bed.
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Guys I don't want to interrupt a good DSLR v mirrorless debate but maybe the OP could do what I do and have both DSLR and Mirrorless kit.
Now go back to your rooms and play nicely. :)
 
I went from 5Dmk1 to A7 and MFT.
I suppose one of the biggest differences is going from OVF to EVF. Personally I'll never go back as to me there are just so many advantages of having an EVF including WYSIWYG and the focus and exposure aids. And of course there's no MA faff on.
Thanks, I'll need to give one a try it seems.

Wait a bit and pocket 5Ds (r). Why would you want something so small you can grasp it properly and without real viewfinder and just the pixelated laggy mess?
Cheers LLP, I'm sure you understand that when the itch is there it needs scratching quickly, I'll try one out.

went mirrorless once. from canon setup to fuji ex-1.. loved the fuji but EVF lag on that model was pretty poor. things have moved ona bit now though and again due to health issues and unable to lug heavy camera gear around ive just sold my 60D with a host of lenses including big heavy 150-600 tamron and again moving back to fuji.. going extreme opposite though as opting for the fixed lens x100T with the dual optical / evf finder.
As a glasses wearer that has to wear varifocals using EVF did cause some issues so if youve never used one always with giving them a try first as some people no matter how good the evf is just cant get along with them
Thanks Dean, as I've said I'll check one out.

Guys I don't want to interrupt a good DSLR v mirrorless debate but maybe the OP could do what I do and have both DSLR and Mirrorless kit.
Now go back to your rooms and play nicely. :)
Thanks for,, there must be something,, ah yes, stirring the pot.
 
Going mirrorless (Fuji X-T1) from a DSLR (Canon XT1 - not nearly as big or heavy as your 5d) was a big change, but one I loved. The lighter camera and lenses, as well as camera size/grip in general, helped me decrease the handheld camera shake I experienced with the DSLR, as it feels more like the film camera I used for decades. Because it's lighter, I carry my camera more often and am more inclined to use it, instead of letting it sit on the shelf.

For me, going from DSLR to mirrorless was like going from film to digital - it was a definite learning curve. I been learning what the Fuji can and cannot do, and go from there. As for the EVF, it bothered me for a while, but I've learned how to work with it even though I wear varifocal glasses.

I would suggest at least handling one, maybe borrow/rent one if you can to see if you might like it.
 
I suspect you haven't tried a more recent good EVF. As for size, you must be a youngster as in the days of film we had SLR's and guess what? They were mostly the size of mirrorless cameras not the rather large lumps that top end DSLR's have become. Mirrorless cameras are just taking us back to the size cameras used to be before they started getting up and raiding the fridge when we're asleep in bed.

Here is a 35mm film SLR and a a digital camera

E-M5II compared to OM2sp 2 by Alf Branch, on Flickr

E-M5II compared to OM2sp 1 by Alf Branch, on Flickr
 
Guys I don't want to interrupt a good DSLR v mirrorless debate but maybe the OP could do what I do and have both DSLR and Mirrorless kit.
Now go back to your rooms and play nicely. :)

I reckon the OP should consider this and other options too. Ruling out Medium format or Large format if utimate quality is the aim would also be foolish.
There are compromises in all systems use what suits you.:)
 
I don't agree with the whole argument that Fuji is better because it's smaller that comes up in every debate.

Size is relevant to what you want. The size of a FX camera can also been seen as an advantage rather than a disadvantage to some.

The size is only an advantage if you are wanting a smaller lighter camera.

I'm going to hire one for a few days as soon as my LCS has them in and see how I get on with the EVF and controls.
 
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I don't find the Mirrorless revolution as fun as everyone else it seems. I've had most Fujis but none have satisfied me enough to give up my DSLRS.

I'd just give one a go and see if you enjoy the experience.
 
I don't agree with the whole argument that Fuji is better because it's smaller that comes up in every debate.

Size is relevant to what you want. The size of a FX camera can also been seen as an advantage rather than a disadvantage to some.

The size is only an advantage if you are wanting a smaller lighter camera.

I'm going to hire one for a few days as soon as my LCS has them in and see how I get on with the EVF and controls.

Fuji isn't better because it's smaller and lighter ... it just depends on what you want in a camera. Size and weight were very important to me because I now have decreased strength - especially grip strength - and arthritis in my hands. My Canon DSLR had become too large and heavy for me to use comfortably - especially with the bigger, heavier lenses - which caused me to give up photography completely for several years. I asked myself, "What good is a camera if I can't use it?" Plus, lighter is better for me while travelling. I don't have to take up half of my carry-on weight in photography kit, or leave something behind.

The Fuji X-T10 is a little too small in my hands without an added grip, but the X-T1 suits me fine. I didn't like how the Sony A7 felt in my hands when I tried it; the grip was too wide/large. I settled on the X-T1 because I wanted a fairly inexpensive mirrorless, interchangeable lens camera to see how they compared to DSLRs and to see if I would even like them. So far I am happy with the IQ (which for me is most important), and have gotten used to the controls and evf. Now that I know I like the Fuji system and am comfortable with it, I want to step up to the X-T2 eventually because of the larger sensor. I also plan to try out the larger, heavier 2.8 zooms to see if 1) I can handle the weight, and 2) how much better their rendering is compared to what I have now.

The smaller mirrorless cameras may not suit you. Mirrorless in general may not suit you or your photography needs, but I was willing to accept the differences of mirrorless vs DSLR so that I could continue with photography.
 
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If you are just seeking a better dynamic range can you not bracket your exposures, blend in PP and save yourself a packet?
 
I went from 5DIII to Fuji X-T2 recently; drivers were multiple: I was frankly annoyed with how much Canon DSLRs depreciated and how conservatively they evolve their product. The difference to change to a 5D4 from a 5D3 was £2400. I was fed up with the bulk of the 5DIII and 2.8 lenses - the camera I didn't carry because of its size led to underutilisation. I did consider changing to f4 lenses. That would have gained me (some) size advantage (not much). I looked at Sony - body size advantages, lovely IQ, but FF lenses were equally as bulky and big. I settled on Fuji because the X-T2 sensor offered some advantages over the 5D4, cost less than I'd lost on my 5DIII, and the lens system being built for a smaller sensor was smaller, and was sufficiently comprehensive for all my needs.

So far, I like the change. It's by no means perfect, in spite of the hype you read. I think the Canon handled nicer in some respects, controls, control positions, menus. Or maybe I'd just got to know my away around it. The advantages of mirrorless are real - the ability to properly preview DOF on screen, and histogram etc, before you take the shot, is ideal. The screen isn't quite wysiwig though - they have improved tremendously and lag is next to non-existent, but you are in no doubt looking at a screen and not at the quality of your final image. But then, you are not looking at anything other than a compositional representation of your final image in a mirrored camera. So it's a big step on. Battery life - not as good, but not an issue in my view, it might be for some. IQ - I feel it's better than the 5DIII in many respects. DR, noise in the shadows, resolution. I think the 5DIII probably bests it at extreme ISOs, at normal ranges up to 6400, I think the Fuji is better through to no worse, and that's in spite of a smaller sensor. I don't think the X-T2 is quite as quick to turn on, but it's no laggard. And the rear screen is smaller and the EVF doesn't feel as big as on the 5DIII. I love the Fuji lenses. While they are expensive, compared to non-L lenses, I feel I would have to buy L primes to match them, and then you are in a different cost and size bracket.

I'd say, figure out your drivers, where you are prepared to compromise and where you want benefits. I feel I have an equally capable camera, with improved IQ, albeit I'm sure the 5D4 would improve on it further in some respects, some nice new technology, and some lovely lenses covering an increased focal range at larger aperture than I had before and quite a lot of money in the bank. And the body cost me less than I'd lose if I stuck with a Canon upgrade path, even if the Fuji were worth Zero in 3 years time. I could only have justified the Canon if I were using it to earn a living and could write it down as an operating cost. As a value, enthusiasts system, the Fuji made a lot of sense to me. Have I stopped looking at the 5DIV - nope. But I doubt I'll buy one, as enough of my itches are scratched with the Fuji, and it's great fun to use.

Oh, and it fits nicely and lightly inside a Hadley Pro, instead of the heavy rucksack I used to have to carry. That was a big win. Whether it will fit quite so well if I indulge in the lovely 2.8 Zooms in the Fuji remains to be seen. They'll be lighter than a 2.8 canon setup, but I'm trying not to go down that route, as I'll be similar to an F4 Canon setup in bulk then. Albeit, I'd still have the option to throw on a small prime and have portability again. Best of both worlds maybe.
 
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I wouldn't change camera just to get better DR, there's other much cheaper ways of getting better DR as already mentioned. I understand the itch, but for DR only I wouldn't consider it.

DSLR vs Mirrorless, Mirrorless vs DSLR???? You're going to get a mixed bag of responses as everyone wants something different from a camera. I'm lucky to have both and one is not better than the other. DSLR has advantages, as does mirrorless. As already mentioned the size of mirrorless is only an advantage if you want something smaller and lighter. For large/heavy lenses a DSLR still feels much better balanced and comfortable to hold imo. If I was to get rid of my DSLR for mirrorless the only camera I'd consider is the XT2 as it's the only mirrorless (IMO) with an AF system good enough to come close to a good DSLR for sports, and that's more important to me than the advantages of FF. If I didn't need the tracking AF then I'd consider one of the A7's for the FF sensor, although that being said I hate the ergonomics of the A7 so not sure I"d choose it even then.
 
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