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Can any explain (in simple terms) the difference between RAW and Jpeg please.:thinking:
 
raw is the equivilant of a Film Negative, jpeg would be more like a print, raw holds more detail in the file. :D
 
RAW, is literally what it saws.. the raw data seen by the cameras sensor... no processing, no compression... Jpeg is just a compressed file format, and also the camera processes colour tone WB etc. before it saves the picture... At least thats my understanding of it ...
 
RAW, is literally what it saws.. the raw data seen by the cameras sensor... no processing, no compression... Jpeg is just a compressed file format, and also the camera processes colour tone WB etc. before it saves the picture... At least thats my understanding of it ...

Yup, that's about it really.

Shooting only a jpeg loses data that might have been useful in post processing - there is literally no reason to shoot in it exclusively other than limited memory space. (In which case, buy more memory cards...so basically no reason at all).
 
Thanks fellas.

So I can put a RAW file on my pc the same as I can with Jpegs and alter it with Paint shop or similar software?
 
raw is the equivilant of a Film Negative, jpeg would be more like a print, raw holds more detail in the file. :D

Technically, Raw is the equivalent of the film latent image ;) It is the unprocessed data recorded by the sensor, ie it is undeveloped, 'uncooked'.

You can't actually see a Raw file. It is just a pile of data and must be turned into a processed image file, usually a JPEG, so you can see it, print it, upload it etc. The LCD image you see is a tiny processed JPEG which is permanently tagged to the Raw file, whether you select JPEG or not.

If you could see the Raw, it would look pretty rubbish so the JPEG processing applies improvements which are pre-set in Picture Styles, white balance, noise reduction etc. In that sense, the image is processed in same same way as you would do in the computer, except that the modifications are pre-set beforehand and are obviously not as extensive as you can do with a full post processing programme. They cover all the fundamentals though and can make a big difference if you adjust them carefully.

JPEG processing also compresses the file, because uncompressed files are huge and impractical. You can adjust the level of compression and although even the highest quality JPEG throws away very large amount of data, if it's properly done you can never tell the difference.

The only problem with going straight to JPEG output is that if you don't like the result, or have made a mistake etc, the changes you can make are limited. If you still have the Raw, you can go right back to the original file and start again, and again and again, until it's just right. The Raw always remains original, untouched base data.
 
you'll need either a RAW converter or... (if using say Adobe CS - CS5) the right CameraRAW software... (available for download...) As each RAW File differs from camera to Camera... not just Brand to Brand, So a canon 5DmkII uses a different format to the Canon 550D..

Hang on i'll find u a link to a good review on RAW...
 
ok, cant find the link to the article online... But there is a great explanation etc. in Digital Photo Magazine this month.... I have a copy and its pretty in depth!! Will tell you everything you need to know!!
 
Thanks for your help and patients fellas.:thumbs:

If you use Canon, you got a free copy of Canon's DPP Raw processing software on CD with the camera.

It's very good, and has some unique custom features for correcting lens aberrations. You can upgrade to the latest version with a free download :thumbs:
 
Thanks fellas.

So I can put a RAW file on my pc the same as I can with Jpegs and alter it with Paint shop or similar software?

I'd recommend looking at Lightroom. The new version, 3, has just come out and it really is a lovely piece of software. It's a combination of lots of the clever bits of photoshop (including great RAW options) and a way of organising your photos.

Plus it's "only" about £230 - not exactly cheap, but that is £370 cheaper than Photoshop which it has a lot of the features of.
 
one thing i love about lightroom is the white balance tool! Why isn't that in photoshop! Lol
 
If you use Canon, you got a free copy of Canon's DPP Raw processing software on CD with the camera.
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I have just bought a Canon EOS 7D, having previously been working with a FinePix s5600. Hence what is becoming an ever steeper learning curve. I got the software CD with the camra as you say but there is a lot on it and wasn't sure if I need to put all of it on my PC. I think I am begining to get my head round the advantages of using RAW insted of Jpeg.
I don't understand the meaning of 'lens aberration' yet but I can see that if a Jpeg file is compressed, then when enlarging a cropped section I would loose less detail if done in the RAW, as it were.
 
jpegs do lose data because of compression, but if you are using the highest quality setting (minimal compression) you won't see a lot of loss, unless you open it and resave it multiple times (it loses a bit more every time)

the biggest practical difference between RAW and jpeg is that the RAW holds more data, each pixel of image has a greater brightness range available to it, including some above and below the brightness range that can be displayed.

When a camea saves a jpeg it uses processing settings, canon call them "styles", which determine how the RAW image is processed into the jpeg, it's a one way trip, it cannot go back as data is modified or removed.

With images saved as RAW you have all of the original data off the sensor and can override the camera style settings while editing on your computer and apply a different set of processing settings.
 
I think I am begining to get my head round the advantages of using RAW insted of Jpeg.

Really, you don't need to understand why. RAW is just better - when you find an example of why it is better, you'll be glad you shot that way!

I don't understand the meaning of 'lens aberration' yet

It's just when a lens has something non-perfect that would be worth fixing before printing out images. Eg. The corners of a photo appearing warped due to using the edge of the lens.
 
If you use Canon, you got a free copy of Canon's DPP Raw processing software on CD with the camera.
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I have just bought a Canon EOS 7D, having previously been working with a FinePix s5600. Hence what is becoming an ever steeper learning curve. I got the software CD with the camra as you say but there is a lot on it and wasn't sure if I need to put all of it on my PC. I think I am begining to get my head round the advantages of using RAW insted of Jpeg.
I don't understand the meaning of 'lens aberration' yet but I can see that if a Jpeg file is compressed, then when enlarging a cropped section I would loose less detail if done in the RAW, as it were.

That's not how JPEG compression works, and you will not be able to enlarge an image more by working from the Raw. And enlarging an image - 'cropping' - is a bad idea anyway, that really is throwing away very valuable data.

Compression works by rewriting the image code. For example, if half the picture from your 18mp 7D is clear blue sky (perfectly even toned blue for the sake of this example) then let's say the digital code for that is 0101. In the Raw, that will be written nine million times, but the JPEG will simply rewrite that as 0101x9m, which is a bit shorter, ie compressed, and you have actually lost nothing.

Lens aberrations are lens faults. There are quite a few of them but the common ones are CA (chromatic aberration, or colour fringing), vignetting (darkened corners) and distortion (eg barrel distortion, where straight lines towards the edges are shown as curved outwards).

Canon's DPP knows what lens you're using, what focal length, what f/number etc, and has custom corrections loaded in its database. One click, and they're gone! It works very well indeed.
 
Found a fairly simple explanation here (and it contains a link to more about jpeg compression). Let's see what others make of it.
 
If you download faststone viewer You can view your raw files and even convert them to jpeg's also resize etc. A great free program. :thumbs:
 
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