Thoughts on Dslr - mirrorless switch

Riz_Guru said:
I think it's a very interesting time, personally I like the Nikon brand and hope nobody ends up losing out, I'm pro-mirrorless yes but Nikon and Canon are very powerful as a brand.
Competition is healthy and good for us.
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I would agree, mirrorless is innovative and a new challenge. We need to embrace the technology while at the same time appreciate the past. To some extent mirrorless is a combination of both and I for one welcome it with open arms.
 
For me its all about the handling, buttons, dials, layout and body size.

If you find mirrorless is not a cramped awkward annoying quirky mess then mirrorless is probably the right way to go.

For everyone else a dslr
 
wardy07 said:
I would agree, mirrorless is innovative and a new challenge. We need to embrace the technology while at the same time appreciate the past. To some extent mirrorless is a combination of both and I for one welcome it with open arms.
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Why do we have to appreciate the past? The cameras of 20 years ago don't look like box brownies so why should the cameras of 20 years in the future look like (for eg) DSLR's?

Move on I say :D
 
woof woof said:
Why do we have to appreciate the past? The cameras of 20 years ago don't look like box brownies so why should the cameras of 20 years in the future look like (for eg) DSLR's?

Move on I say :D
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What I mean by that is that we should appreciate where the past has led to, I'm not saying 'stay in the past', simply appreciate it for where we are now going.
If you read my comment, I am going forward and believe me, I definitely don't live any of my life in the past as it's a very complicated place to be!
 
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Mr Perceptive said:
Says a man who loves Legacy lenses and MF:D:D:D
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And I'm no great fan of dslr's, I liked slr's better as they were smaller and lighter than the fatties we have today so there are things in which I like past times gear best... but thst.s mainly because I don't like the direction gear has gone in during the rise of the dslr. Thsnkfully thr dslr days msy be passing.
 
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wardy07 said:
What I mean by that is that we should appreciate where the past has led to, I'm not saying 'stay in the past', simply appreciate it for where we are now going.
If you read my comment, I am going forward and believe me, I definitely don't live any of my life in the past as it's a very complicated place to be!
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Of course I read your post and I know what you're saying, I just disagree about respecting the past. Yes, we can take the good bits but I don't see respect as being required.
 
woof woof said:
Of course I read your post and I know what you're saying, I just disagree about respecting the past. Yes, we can take the good bits but I don't see respect as being required.
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That's your choice, I've made mine!
 
I currently shoot with a DSLR, Nikon D750 and Sigma Art lenses. Yes, they are heavy but the image quality, AF and ISO ability is far greater than that of the Fuji offerings at present. I have tried both the XT-1 and the X100F and really didn't like the images when compared to the D750. (I have not tried a XT-2)

For a paid shoot such as a wedding I have no problem carrying round two D750s and a couple of primes. However, for personal photography (travel/family) etc. they become a bit of a pain.

I think Sony are onto the right track, the new A9 seems fantastic and really does compete with the best DSLRs. I can see me changing eventually, but not when its £4K. What will be interesting is what the next A7iii or A7Riii offers, if some of the A9 tech filters down they could be the perfect cameras for me. DSLR performance but a smaller package.

OP, I would buy a second hand Fuji, try it for a few weeks and then decide to switch. You should be able to sell it again for little or no loss, that is what I did.
 
woof woof said:
And I'm no great fan of dslr's, I liked slr's better as they were smaller and lighter than the fatties we have today so there are things in which I like past times gear best... but thst.s mainly because I don't like the direction gear has gone in during the rise of the dslr. Thsnkfully thr dslr days msy be passing.
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That's a very selfish attitude! Whilst you may have no love for them yourself, some of us still do. There's no reason why DSLR and mirror-less cameras can't live side by side.
 
woof woof said:
And I'm no great fan of dslr's, I liked slr's better as they were smaller and lighter than the fatties we have today so there are things in which I like past times gear best... but thst.s mainly because I don't like the direction gear has gone in during the rise of the dslr. Thsnkfully thr dslr days msy be passing.
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That would only lessen choice and diversity. Having multiple technologies is great. There are multiple types of car engines that use different fuel or electricity now. Even though petrol is seen as the oldest crappest option I still love petrol cars and will buy them until it is impossible to buy them anymore. Same with cameras, I love the big fat 1D series, they are a dream to use in manual mode, I can set exposure one handed with my thumb and index finger without moving my eye from the viewfinder
 
Riz_Guru said:
A Ferrari is a Ferrari and a Nova a Nova.
Both get you from A to Z :D
One is old decades old technology, the other modern, both take pictures yes but it's how you get those photos and the ease that sometimes matters along with all the other advantages of mirrorless.
Give me one real advantage the best comparable DSLR has over its mirrorless rival?
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That's exactly the point that you have missed. It does not matter how you get there, what REALLY matters is the end result! All camera types/models have there pros and cons which we work with to achieve the best results possible. We get used to working with whatever camera we have chosen and work within these limitations. For those photographers that may specialise or at least take a lot of pictures of more challenging subjects....take low light as an example......they may well have good reason for choosing a specific type/model of camera but for the vast majority of us we take general, mostly non-challenging scenes where any camera could be used to achieve good results, as long as you know how your camera works :-) In reality the post processing is way more important than any limitations you may feel any camera type has.
 
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GaryLaird said:
That's exactly the point that you have missed. It does not matter how you get there, what REALLY matters is the end result! All camera types/models have there pros and cons which we work with to achieve the best results possible. We get used to working with whatever camera we have chosen and work within these limitations. For those photographers that may specialise or at least take a lot of pictures of more challenging subjects....take low light as an example......they may well have good reason for choosing a specific type/model of camera but for the vast majority of us we take general, mostly non-challenging scenes where any camera could be used to achieve good results, as long as you know how your camera works :-) In reality the post processing is way more important than any limitations you may feel any camera type has.
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Not always just about A to Z, yes the end result matters but how you get there does too..... I guess it depends on the individual and needs.
Nothing is wrong though, both have a market.
I'm certainly pro-mirrorless but understand the reasons why some prefer DSLR's.

The Ferrari for me because it has such a great sounding engine, the feeling of driving it and the joy that comes with it.

:D
 
Riz_Guru said:
Not always just about A to Z, yes the end result matters but how you get there does too..... I guess it depends on the individual and needs.
Nothing is wrong though, both have a market.
I'm certainly pro-mirrorless but understand the reasons why some prefer DSLR's.

The Ferrari for me because it has such a great sounding engine, the feeling of driving it and the joy that comes with it.

:D
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I love old and classic, you can also enjoy the journey in an old banger :)
 
ryanyboy said:
The OP specifically mentioned the Fuji X-T2 and that's what my advice has been based on having owned one myself.
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Rather a sweeping observation then you respond that you were referring to the X-T2 when you generically state

"DSLR = better AF, better high ISO, better image quality, shallower DOF (you may or may not prefer this of course), better lenses, better battery life. I'm sure I could go on. "

Sweeping and bigoted remarks hiding behind a reference to one camera. :pompous:
You were then given a reference to another mirrorless camera the Sony A9 and you flatly fail to substantiate your sweeping bigoted remarks and give a properly argued response to support your 'entrenched' position....Shame!
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shoshone said:
Rather a sweeping observation then you respond that you were referring to the X-T2 when you generically state

"DSLR = better AF, better high ISO, better image quality, shallower DOF (you may or may not prefer this of course), better lenses, better battery life. I'm sure I could go on. "

Sweeping and bigoted remarks hiding behind a reference to one camera. :pompous:
You were then given a reference to another mirrorless camera the Sony A9 and you flatly fail to substantiate your sweeping bigoted remarks and give a properly argued response to support your 'entrenched' position....Shame!
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Are we still doing this??

Bigoted? Wow!!
 
No you keep going and justify your assertion and answer the post about the A9.
The floor is yours go for it... have at it.
 
boyfalldown said:
Best is subjective

But

Better TTL

Larger and better range of lens

Better battery life

That'll change, but for now...
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So not as much as it once used to be, it's a interesting time for both DSLR & Mirrorless :)
 
Riz_Guru said:
So not as much as it once used to be, it's a interesting time for both DSLR & Mirrorless :)
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Very true. It's mostly the surrounding stuff that's not quite there yet - range of lenses for example. But those things will come
 
Dave70D said:
Hi Jamie, don`t let it wind you up. What I found really helped me when it had a go at me, was Hit the Ignore button :)
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Dave thanks but I think I have to give "it" a chance to compose "its" considered scientific essay justifying "its" rational for being so irrationally opinionated.
My previous gear was Canon from the classic 5D to the 1D3 and went through the CaNikon sh*t from Nikon users claiming that FF was unnecessary only to end up with Nikon fx (or whatever the latest sliced bread version Nikon called it). That wasn't just banter but this blind obeisance to DSLRs being undeniably superior in ALL respects to mirrorless just seems to me to be either the poster feeling threatened or just a blind troll. Granted there are exceptional photographers making a good living using DSLRs (many more today than mirrorless) but I feel they are very comfortable in their CanNikon skins such that they don't waste their time trolling as "it" does. Of course Ignore is there as a last resort.
 
Going back to the original post...I tried the XT-2 for the same reasons as the author. It didn't work out, don't get me wrong, I like the camera itself I just didn't like the images it produced (and yes, skin tones were 'waxy' IMHO'). Maybe it's because I was used to Nikon D810 and D500 with top end Nikon glass...not sure.
Will mirrorless replace the DSLR? Eventually I believe it will. If you want to see what mirrorless can achieve, try a Leica Q. I know it's expensive but it's full frame, has fast AF and IQ is on a par (if not better) than my Nikons. I've had mine for about 6 weeks and for street photography it's brilliant. The way ahead is definitely mirrorless, just not yet and for me, not with the XT-2.
 
I haven't switched to mirror less but I did switch to Sony SLT (a99) the precursor to the mirrorless over four years ago. I have been raving about the wonderful advances in EVF that Sony have been coming up with for years. It's time to upgrade and I know my next camera won't be a mirrorless... But it will be there A99 mk2. Sony have come on leaps and bounds and left canon and nikon behind. It is great to see and their cameras are a pleasure to use. Once you use one of the lovely EVFs and see how much more enjoyable it makes taking photos you will never go back to a pentaprism again. The newest Sony are unbelievable in low light too and make the fuji look a little old now too.

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Couple of things I would add:

I run a canon 7D2 as well as an X-T1 & X-T2, I sold my 6D as I just didn't use it.

The "worms" are no longer an issue with me. I have found that if you process an Xtrans raw image the same as you would a Canon/Nikon file, you'll have problems. You just need to understand how to process the files.

My T2 & 10-24 combo go almost everywhere with me now, I was leaving the DSLRs at home as they were so heavy. I shoot wildlife on the T2 & XF100-400 and the results are just as good as I could get on the 7D2. I've only kept that set up because with the Sigma 150-600 & 1.4TC I have better reach if I need it, although it didn't even make the week long trip to Mull as it's just so heavy.

JPG's are so much better on the T1 or T2, colours are great, and I've now managed to adjust my workflow so I can shoot on the Fuji, wirelessly upload to my iPad, quick tweak and then send to the web. It's faster, easier and the results are great. It suits me perfectly.

If I was shooting weddings etc, I'd probably still have a DSLR, but for what I do, the Fuji is perfect (and did I mention how light it is?)...

Edit: I will add, that as the system is not mature, the range of lenses is restrictive, but the Fuji lenses are very good. Likewise, the range of flash guns could be better, but it is improving. A lot of people go on about high ISO, but it's only been the last few years we have been able to comfortably shoot at 3200 and above. I don't find any issue with the Fuji @ 3200 or 6400, my old Mk1 7D was awful @ 1600 and you had to think about how to shoot at high ISO.
 
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shoshone said:
Dave thanks but I think I have to give "it" a chance to compose "its" considered scientific essay justifying "its" rational for being so irrationally opinionated.
My previous gear was Canon from the classic 5D to the 1D3 and went through the CaNikon sh*t from Nikon users claiming that FF was unnecessary only to end up with Nikon fx (or whatever the latest sliced bread version Nikon called it). That wasn't just banter but this blind obeisance to DSLRs being undeniably superior in ALL respects to mirrorless just seems to me to be either the poster feeling threatened or just a blind troll. Granted there are exceptional photographers making a good living using DSLRs (many more today than mirrorless) but I feel they are very comfortable in their CanNikon skins such that they don't waste their time trolling as "it" does. Of course Ignore is there as a last resort.
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You do know this is just a conversation about cameras:p

He hasn't been calling your mum names or sleeping with your missuso_O

(As far as we know)

I honestly can't believe that people are personally offended when someone doesn't like their choice of camera.


People should grow up or learn to stay away from the internet where they might be offended.
 
Phil V said:
You do know this is just a conversation about cameras:p

He hasn't been calling your mum names or sleeping with your missuso_O

(As far as we know)

I honestly can't believe that people are personally offended when someone doesn't like their choice of camera.


People should grow up or learn to stay away from the internet where they might be offended.
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Have to correct you there
I'm not interested in what peeps think of any camera choice I've made and I've no intention of ".......staying away from the internet..."

It isn't exactly a conversation - rather a one way street by someone who uses hyperbole telling folks that he knows and his opinions are the right ones quote "there's a MASSIVE, RIDICULOUS amount of hype over mirrorless cameras." <- his opinion
Quote "DSLR = better AF, better high ISO, better image quality,....etc" <- his opinion

However he is entitled to his opinion and I'm not supposed to call him up on his being arrogant and bigoted? <- my opinion.

No I'm not going anywhere - I don't even have an A9 nor do I desire one.

The way to conduct a proper "conversation about cameras" was provided by Brom in his post mentioning the LeicaQ. Cogently argued and still conveying his own position without any resort to bombastic shouting.
 
shoshone said:
Have to correct you there
I'm not interested in what peeps think of any camera choice I've made and I've no intention of ".......staying away from the internet..."

It isn't exactly a conversation - rather a one way street by someone who uses hyperbole telling folks that he knows and his opinions are the right ones quote "there's a MASSIVE, RIDICULOUS amount of hype over mirrorless cameras." <- his opinion
Quote "DSLR = better AF, better high ISO, better image quality,....etc" <- his opinion

However he is entitled to his opinion and I'm not supposed to call him up on his being arrogant and bigoted? <- my opinion.

No I'm not going anywhere - I don't even have an A9 nor do I desire one.

The way to conduct a proper "conversation about cameras" was provided by Brom in his post mentioning the LeicaQ. Cogently argued and still conveying his own position without any resort to bombastic shouting.
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Wow!o_O

Cameras, just cameras :tumbleweed:
 
shoshone said:
Have to correct you there
I'm not interested in what peeps think of any camera choice I've made and I've no intention of ".......staying away from the internet..."

It isn't exactly a conversation - rather a one way street by someone who uses hyperbole telling folks that he knows and his opinions are the right ones quote "there's a MASSIVE, RIDICULOUS amount of hype over mirrorless cameras." <- his opinion
Quote "DSLR = better AF, better high ISO, better image quality,....etc" <- his opinion

However he is entitled to his opinion and I'm not supposed to call him up on his being arrogant and bigoted? <- my opinion.

No I'm not going anywhere - I don't even have an A9 nor do I desire one.

The way to conduct a proper "conversation about cameras" was provided by Brom in his post mentioning the LeicaQ. Cogently argued and still conveying his own position without any resort to bombastic shouting.
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Look, 'he' is a bit of a dick for using inflammatory language - fanboys and all that, and people will use that knowledge as they see fit when listening to his opinion.
No point in labouring the point - life is too short.
 
On the Ferrari vs Nova analogy getting from A to Z.
Well the one will get you there with a big smile on your face.
On the all that matters is the pics argument.
Maybe for a professional photographer but for me as an amateur it's just as much if not more about the process, the getting out shooting, having fun using my cameras LF, MF or digital, the time in the darkroom and framing those finished print and putting them on the wall.
To me cameras are not tools but toys and photography my little game and joyfull way of spendig my sparetime, not just the means to an end.
If I were to do fulltime streetphotography id get a Leica and carve myself a niche in the market of photography.
 
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