This kinda thing really annoys me...... Freddie Flintoff

ST4 said:
He shouldn't IMHO ever be deprived the use of a car, no matter what, IMHO.
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No matter what, are you serious , only the queen is immune from prosecution as far as I'm aware

In any case he wouldn't be deprived of the use of a car, they don't stop you renting a taxi , just driving it
 
Alright.
Then he's an habitual repeat offender with no regard for the law (whether he agrees with the law or not is irrelevant, it exists), and shows little respect for his child by continually using them as an excuse.
 
fracster said:
It matters not one jot about any hardships that occur due to any driver being stupid enough to amass 12 points.

Surely,anyone with half a wit, would slow down and drive accordingly when on six points,even more so on nine.

I know we are not going to agree Steve, but surely you see the point that a bit more planning and driving more sensibly when on fewer points would make sense if one is to endure any sort of hardship if banned?
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What if all the points were accrued during the same week.

One of my drivers has just been done 4 times for exactly 46 MPH through avg speed cameras at 4 am on 4 consecutive days
 
wack61 said:
No matter what, are you serious , only the queen is immune from prosecution as far as I'm aware

In any case he wouldn't be deprived of the use of a car, they don't stop you renting a taxi , just driving it
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No she's not. It may be the queens law. But she's not above it
 
mattyg said:
What if all the points were accrued during the same week.

One of my drivers has just been done 4 times for exactly 46 MPH through avg speed cameras at 4 am on 4 consecutive days
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If the limit posted is 40, then he's an idiot.
 
wack61 said:
No matter what, are you serious , only the queen is immune from prosecution as far as I'm aware

In any case he wouldn't be deprived of the use of a car, they don't stop you renting a taxi , just driving it
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I'm not saying Flintoff shouldn't be prosecuted. He was , he just wasn't sentenced with a ban but points and a fine. That's not being above the law.
 
mattyg said:
What if all the points were accrued during the same week.

One of my drivers has just been done 4 times for exactly 46 MPH through avg speed cameras at 4 am on 4 consecutive days
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Crime of the century, shame on anyone giving this man a job. He should be banned, then sacked and unable to feed his family and put a roof over their heads. 6mph above the speed limit, that's serious crime...
 
viv1969 said:
Alright.
Then he's an habitual repeat offender with no regard for the law (whether he agrees with the law or not is irrelevant, it exists), and shows little respect for his child by continually using them as an excuse.
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It's not an excuse, it's a statement of facts and something you are invited to tell the courts about before sentencing (here in Scotland anyway).

Indeed fines are means tested so the punish but not destroy the life of the offender. Why cannot it be the same with driving bans
 
mattyg said:
Wow. Love the intelligence on forums sometimes.

So I take it you "Think" you've NEVER exceeded the posted speed limit
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I KNOW I have. :rolleyes:
But if I started racking up points I'd certainly start thinking: "Oh, hang on a minute......"
 
mattyg said:
You've NOT answered the question though
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What part of me saying I know I've broken posted speed limits are you struggling with?
 
viv1969 said:
What part of me saying I know I've broken posted speed limits are you struggling with?
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Sorry I've been over previous posts and must have missed that.

I was just trying to ascertain whether you were also an Idiot. Thanks for clarifying.
 
mattyg said:
Sorry I've been over previous posts and must have missed that.

I was just trying to ascertain whether you were also an Idiot. Thanks for clarifying.
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If I received points on my licence I'd certainly try rather hard not to get amymore, and not keep my clog down whilst continually trotting out the disabled kid / lost job card.

When did it become ok to abdicate any responsibility for one's own actions, and then whine about the results?
 
I see no reason why Flintoff should be treated any different to anyone else. He knows the rules, he knows the risks. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime...
 
wibbly said:
I see no reason why Flintoff should be treated any different to anyone else. He knows the rules, he knows the risks. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime...
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He was sentenced though. The time is up for the courts to decide, not the TP forum membership. If you feel the sentence was unduly lienient and his charity work can be done without a car, you can appeal the sentence through the courts.
 
viv1969 said:
If I received points on my licence I'd certainly try rather hard not to get amymore, and not keep my clog down whilst continually trotting out the disabled kid / lost job card.

When did it become ok to abdicate any responsibility for one's own actions, and then whine about the results?
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But you jumped in discussing my driver who was done by avg speed cameras who would'nt have been aware he had been clocked. So he's going from 8 yrs with a clean license to a possible ban.

So the only difference between you and him is he got caught.
 
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viv1969 said:
I don't know. But it doesn't make for preferential treatment from the bench.

Finding a bloody good lawyer is a process open to absolutely everyone. Paying for it is their own problem...and if they think they won't be able to afford it...maybe taking their foot off the accelerator when they reach six point might help :)

And how do you think these lawyers got so expensive? They all started out the same way. Not all good lawyers are expensive.
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As I said earlier, my rep had no lawyer... it probably helps but thats life! Life is not equal, some have a better advantage than others but the great thing about this country is that if you want to you can do whatever you want.
 
simonblue said:
No not jealous,but people who think their people need to take the consequence for their actions,you say he was your best rep at what line in the sand would you have kept him on if he had broken any other law ?
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I personally don't think speeding is that bad... we all have different morals/standards. Who knows until it happens, but someone as good at the job as he was (and the money it would take to replace him with someone worse) would probably take a custodial sentence.
 
wack61 said:
Somebody with 12-14 points deserves a ban and to lose his job because it's obvious he doesn't give a monkeys about the speed limit at all, speeding is a daily occurrence for him if he's been caught 4 times.

Good job I wasn't the magistrate as my view would have been he's had 3 chances, as have you as a company to slow him down.

6 points on your licence should be enough warning, 9 is drive on tippy toes or else no job, not 9 and please don't take my licence away, OK cart on

I see people speeding in town every day, all it does is get you to the next set of lights 30 seconds quicker, utterly pointless
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So aside from sitting next to him every day, how could I slow him down? From memory he did 54% of our revenue that year, I lose him I would not only lose my bonus but be missing target big style and in sales that means loss of job! So I was obviously keen to keep him.

Is speeding at 87 on a motorway in a good car that dangerous? Personally I think not, the mother in law doing 60 in her 15 year old car certainly is (honestly, she is a hopeless driver). Ok, maybe they should keep to 70, but should breaking that 4 times in 3 years mean you lose your job and then possibly lose house, relationship, kids etc... When you watch these cop shows on TV you see complete idiots driving like a complete idiot and only getting a ban and fine yet they are a proper menace, and you often see people repeatedly in trouble with the law but they lose nothing!
 
cambsno said:
I personally don't think speeding is that bad... we all have different morals/standards. Who knows until it happens, but someone as good at the job as he was (and the money it would take to replace him with someone worse) would probably take a custodial sentence.
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The problem as always till it effect you,say somebody who was speeding crashes into your car say killing members of your family,and you find out that that guy had already had 12 points,maybe you wouldn't be so smug,maybe then you wouldnt put profit over life.
 
mattyg said:
But you jumped in discussing my driver who was done by avg speed cameras who would'nt have been aware he had been clocked. So he's going from 8 yrs with a clean license to a possible ban.

So the only difference between you and him is he got caught.
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But was your driver aware that the limit was 40?
If yes, why did he drive faster?
If no, why not?
 
simonblue said:
The problem as always till it effect you,say somebody who was speeding crashes into your car say killing members of your family,and you find out that that guy had already had 12 points,maybe you wouldn't be so smug,maybe then you wouldnt put profit over life.
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That could apply to anyone - I could argue with my wife, storm out in a mood and kill someone with speed, is that her fault? The odds on him killing someone after 'i save his license' is pretty slim. I see many people not speeding who should NOT be on the road, like the 70 year old woman yesterday who seemed to be totally inept.
 
viv1969 said:
But was your driver aware that the limit was 40?
If yes, why did he drive faster?
If no, why not?
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We are all human - we make mistakes! Show me someone who can say they have never lost concentration and I will show you a liar. The other day I went along for 3 miles at 50 having missed the last of the average speed cameras and sign saying I could do 70 again!
 
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cambsno said:
We are all human - we make mistakes! Show me someone who can say they have never lost concentration and I will show you a liar. The other day I went along for 3 miles at 50 having missed the last of the average speed cameras and sign saying I could do 70 again!
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Yes....but four days in a row? Really?
o_O
 
cambsno said:
We are all human - we make mistakes! Show me someone who can say they have never lost concentration and I will show you a liar. The other day I went along for 3 miles at 50 having missed the last of the average speed cameras and sign saying I could do 70 again!
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Speeding is the very worse mistake you can make. Someone please think of the children :P
 
I'm not perfect by any means and I have broken the speed limit before on my bike but its really not clever speeding in residential areas
I was doing 40 in a 40 limit coming home from work when a toddler wandered into the road right in front of me
if I was going any faster I wouldn't have been able to stop and the consequences would have been awful
anyone who speeds in residential areas is an idiot in my opinion
46 in a 40 or 36 in a 30 is not ok
 
LCPete said:
I'm not perfect by any means and I have broken the speed limit before on my bike but its really not clever speeding in residential areas
I was doing 40 in a 40 limit coming home from work when a toddler wandered into the road right in front of me
if I was going any faster I wouldn't have been able to stop and the consequences would have been awful
anyone who speeds in residential areas is an idiot in my opinion
46 in a 40 or 36 in a 30 is not ok
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Agree, my beef is the limits in non residential areas... in Germany you can drive faster so it can't be that unsafe!
 
viv1969 said:
Yes....but four days in a row? Really?
o_O
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Yep 4 days in a row at 4am on the M6. Yes he saw the signs. Yes he's admitted to speeding. However he had bought the car 3 days before at auction and looks like someone in its past has attempted to clock its mileage back causing a substantial under-read of speed.
 
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ST4 said:
Of course I do. But in the event of someone being a goof, I just can't see how its fair their disabled dependents/employee's who have no control or input into their driving should lose their transport.
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It isn't fair.

If I was the disabled dependent that had lost my ride - I'd give said driver a good clip round the ear.
 
LCPete said:
I'm not perfect by any means and I have broken the speed limit before on my bike but its really not clever speeding in residential areas
I was doing 40 in a 40 limit coming home from work when a toddler wandered into the road right in front of me
if I was going any faster I wouldn't have been able to stop and the consequences would have been awful
anyone who speeds in residential areas is an idiot in my opinion
46 in a 40 or 36 in a 30 is not ok
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If you'd been doing 50mph the toddler would have walked out behind you.



Just saying.......
 
cambsno said:
That could apply to anyone - I could argue with my wife, storm out in a mood and kill someone with speed, is that her fault? The odds on him killing someone after 'i save his license' is pretty slim. I see many people not speeding who should NOT be on the road, like the 70 year old woman yesterday who seemed to be totally inept.
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I agree with you its not just speeder,drunk driving,mobile use,driver far to old to be still on the road etc

A bit of the subject but they are some cyclist,that need taking of the road.
 
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dinners said:
It isn't fair.

If I was the disabled dependent that had lost my ride - I'd give said driver a good clip round the ear.
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It's a serious thing though, what if they need that car to be taken to/from medical appoitments and that person to do it. Bans, IMHO, shouldn't be given to people who have dependents like this. It's not right. A ban is meant to be that, a ban from driving, an inconvenience to the perp, not to ruin their life and that of others.
 
If your car is essential for you - then stick to the blooming speed limit - no matter who you are.

If the limit is 70 then you should not exceed it.

There's one road I drive on regularly and I HATE it - 40mph then derestricted and then back to 40 again . This is where Cruise control is useful -I set it for 39mph and can then just keep an eye on the display and I know I'll be OK.

If you think you are above the law - and believe that you don't have to obey - then carry on , break the speed limit , but don't moan when you are caught, and then take your medicine [ fine or what have you ] and stop grumbling - you know how to avoid such things .
 
ST4 said:
It's a serious thing though, what if they need that car to be taken to/from medical appoitments and that person to do it. Bans, IMHO, shouldn't be given to people who have dependents like this. It's not right. A ban is meant to be that, a ban from driving, an inconvenience to the perp, not to ruin their life and that of others.
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Then the driver should be even more responsible.

If somebody with a medical condition needs you to drive them (or any dependent for that matter) then it's even more stupid to get yourself banned.
 
Anybody that still speeds with 9 points has a level of arrogance than only a ban and loss of privilege will cure regardless of personal circumstances

I'm not saying I've never broken the limit, none of us can say that but camera vans aren't everywhere, to have 3 x 3 points suggests that the limit is being broken on numerous occasions
 
mattyg said:
Yep 4 days in a row at 4am on the M6. Yes he saw the signs. Yes he's admitted to speeding. However he had bought the car 3 days before at auction and looks like someone in its past has attempted to clock its mileage back causing a substantial under-read of speed.
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If that is the case and the speedo is under reading, then I would suggest your driver has a reasonable defence. If not, then he is a buffoon.

I assume you mean the massive road works on the M6 north of Birmingham?
 
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