These young girls travelling to Syria

Anyone who believes that these poor girls will be 'fighting the good fight' for ISIL has a very poor grasp of what's happening out there. As girls their place will be to marry and produce the next generation of soldiers.

My leftie sensibilities lead me to feel sorry for them, but I can't help believing that they really are old enough to have made this choice and to live with it, in the same way that a teenager choosing a pregnancy rather than A levels does.

I still feel sorry for the families.
 
ST4 said:
Or just a holiday. I heard Syria like all good holidays costs an arm and a leg as it's such a blast
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Yes, and youngsters who go there are first sent to the careers office and asked "What would you like to be when you blow up".
 
arclight said:
Yes, and youngsters who go there are first sent to the careers office and asked "What would you like to be when you blow up".
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Mostly 'armless
 
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You may find that, depending on conviction and training, these girls will probably end up with a designer vest made up of explosive and told to go for a walk in the local market or nearest government building etc......they don't need a breeding program, plenty of radicals in other countries priming new"talent" without the need to wait for birth, growth and education of a new generation.....
 
Bernie174 said:
You misunderstood.

It's not that they can't be prosecuted, just that I doubt there's much chance of it.
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They would stand more chance of being prosecuted if they went fishing without a licence than they would do for joining Isis......and then all the do-gooders and children charities will jump on board and scream "poor children" and "it's not their fault!"

When my young lad was fifteen I found out that he was misbehaving (minor offence but an offence non the less)...so I took him first of all to the police station and he got his knuckles rapped, then I took him to his poor "victim" and got him to apologise, I then told him that he would be doing odd jobs for the next week for his "victim"......that put the nonsense out of him and taught him a valuable lesson.....although my young lads antics are not on the same level of terrorism, it proves that punishment and accepting that you have done wrong is key to rehabilitation.The young girls, if they are captured or return, need stripping of their citizenship and refused re-entry to the UK or harshly punished by imprisonment.....their age should not be a factor......because I am damn sure that if they are out on the front line they will not be asking the ages of the ones that they plan to murder.....
 
They would stand more chance of being prosecuted if they went fishing without a licence than they would do for joining Isis......and then all the do-gooders and children charities will jump on board and scream "poor children" and "it's not their fault!"
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In essence yes. The press are already setting the scene by saying or implying they were influenced by others. But what I find wrong with that is that they are apparently very intelligent. Perhaps it's intelligent in that they can learn what it says in a book, but lacking in common sense.
 
Common sense is an oxymoron.
 
I wouldn't want those traitors back here. They are a big PR coup for ISIS so they won't be leaving any time soon if they are already there. The Scottish woman who went a while back, Aqsa Mahmood, has been described as a disgrace by her family and a disgrace to Scotland, so I don't see why these girls should be given any leniency.
 
Laudrup said:
I wouldn't want those traitors back here. They are a big PR coup for ISIS so they won't be leaving any time soon if they are already there. The Scottish woman who went a while back, Aqsa Mahmood, has been described as a disgrace by her family and a disgrace to Scotland, so I don't see why these girls should be given any leniency.
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If anyone of their ages had made off to join the Hitler youth (or any group that is an enemy of this country) then they would automatically also be seen as enemies and traitors, which is what they are. Keep them out of here and investigate all their contacts to establish if there are others of their sort.
 
if they actually make it to ISIL theres a god chance of them winding up collateral damage when IS finally get their arses kicked ... course there'll probably be an outcry if that happens too
 
Males who have gone out to join ISIL and then returned have been prosecuted on terrorism offences, at least one convicted and jailed.
I don't see why the girls should be treated any differently to be honest
 
Bernie174 said:
You may not see why not. But then you wont be making the decision.
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Is no-one allowed to state a fact (the first part of my post), and express an opinion (the second part), without running it by you first Bernie?
Did I miss that memo?
 
viv1969 said:
Males who have gone out to join ISIL and then returned have been prosecuted on terrorism offences, at least one convicted and jailed.
I don't see why the girls should be treated any differently to be honest
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POAH said:
gender is not a get out of jail free card
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Absolutely, 100% every part of me screams out to agree with that.
However, if they do return / are returned I can see certain circumstances where rightly or wrongly, there may be more political value in NOT prosecuting or at least going lightly on them.

As females, their treatment by ISIL is likely to be very different to that of males who have gone out to join - most probably a million miles away from whatever rose-tinted, idealistic vision they were expecting and it's quite possible that they'll rapidly become disillusioned. In fact, they may bitterly regret the decision they made.

In those circumstances, if they were to come back to the UK, I can't think of a better way to deter other youngsters from following the same path than welcoming them back and allowing them to speak out about how terrible it was, how they made a huge mistake and urging others against doing the same.
Of course, the chances of them being allowed to return of their own free will in those circumstances is pretty remote.
 
POAH said:
gender is not a get out of jail free card
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true but travelling to syria being raped by a number of islamic headcases and then returning, is very different to travilling to syria being trained in the use of fire arms and the manufacture of IED and then returning.

all the girls would be guilty of would be contact with a banned organisation , in which case leniency may be a more sensible option for the reasons sarah states above
 
big soft moose said:
true but travelling to syria being raped by a number of islamic headcases and then returning, is very different to travilling to syria being trained in the use of fire arms and the manufacture of IED and then returning.

all the girls would be guilty of would be contact with a banned organisation , in which case leniency may be a more sensible option for the reasons sarah states above
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Indeed that's a logical conclusion to draw on the basis of what you've posted.

It's all highly probably the since is true, but it's not certain and it fuels these guys lust for destruction if young totty flies over there.

There's also the safety aspect to the girls. They come back and denounce ISIS what do you think ISIS will do to those girls years down the line or to us.
 
ST4 said:
There's also the safety aspect to the girls. They come back and denounce ISIS what do you think ISIS will do to those girls years down the line or to us.
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it cant be worse that what they already intend to do to us ... and hopefully years down the line we'll have resolved the issue by dropping a s*** load of high explosive on their heads and despatching them to paradise
 
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big soft moose said:
it cant be worse that what they already intend to do to us ... and hopefully years down the line we'll have resolved the issue by dropping a s*** load of high explosive on their heads and despatching them to paradise
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Interestingly there was a comment/news item on line the other day which stated that people were being paraded around Raqqa in preparation for assassination which made me look Raqqa up on Google maps. Basically it looks like a small area with no really massive buildings etc. Carpet bombing would eradicate this area in no time.
 
sound plan - ideally we need the jordanian airforce to do it though, so that isis can't paint it as a 'crusader' attack on islam

or we could just use a neutron bomb ;)
 
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What I don't get is how two families have made a public heartwarming appeal. Yet the third girls family is quiet.

I just don't get that.
 
may be the third girls family agree with her decision ? (tbh I'd assumed it was three girls from two familes from the coverage)
 
dejongj said:
What I don't get is how two families have made a public heartwarming appeal. Yet the third girls family is quiet.

I just don't get that.
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Different people are different.

Worried family with a daughter possibly in danger chooses to avoid the media circus rather than subject themselves to it? I get that completely.
 
big soft moose said:
it cant be worse that what they already intend to do to us ... and hopefully years down the line we'll have resolved the issue by dropping a s*** load of high explosive on their heads and despatching them to paradise
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The idea of being burned to death/stoned to death for being an infidel appeals very little.

I will concede that they need stopped these ISIS feckers, by any means neccessary
 
There is a very interesting article in The Atlantic magazine which gives an excellent insight into the mentality of ISIS
 
Is no-one allowed to state a fact (the first part of my post), and express an opinion (the second part), without running it by you first Bernie?
Did I miss that memo?
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What are you talking about Viv?
No one suggested you shouldn't have an opinion. Perhaps you can direct me to where that's said. I simply said you aren't part of the decision, so it matters not what you can and can't see.
 
SarahLee said:
Absolutely, 100% every part of me screams out to agree with that.
However, if they do return / are returned I can see certain circumstances where rightly or wrongly, there may be more political value in NOT prosecuting or at least going lightly on them.

As females, their treatment by ISIL is likely to be very different to that of males who have gone out to join - most probably a million miles away from whatever rose-tinted, idealistic vision they were expecting and it's quite possible that they'll rapidly become disillusioned. In fact, they may bitterly regret the decision they made.
In those circumstances, if they were to come back to the UK, I can't think of a better way to deter other youngsters from following the same path than welcoming them back and allowing them to speak out about how terrible it was, how they made a huge mistake and urging others against doing the same.
Of course, the chances of them being allowed to return of their own free will in those circumstances is pretty remote.
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don't get me wrong if they haven't done anything wrong then they wouldn't be prosecuted, but if they have I would expect them to be.
 
POAH said:
don't get me wrong if they haven't done anything wrong then they wouldn't be prosecuted, but if they have I would expect them to be.
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But who is to say they wouldn't pose a threat to anyone in the UK if they did come back here. I certainly wouldn't trust them.
 
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nilagin said:
But who is to say they wouldn't pose a threat to anyone in the UK if they did come back here. I certainly wouldn't trust them.
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Too bloody right. Can sometimes trust a thief, but never trust a traitor.

BTW, police are now reporting that they have crossed the border from Turkey into Syria.
 
Trust a thief?
Rather you than me.
 
onomatopoeia said:
Different people are different.

Worried family with a daughter possibly in danger chooses to avoid the media circus rather than subject themselves to it? I get that completely.
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As a parent there is no other way to get in contact and appeal. The other parents aren't involved in a media circus either. The media is actually rather well behaved.
 
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