Notice There's gon' be some new sheriffs in town

[Gremlin]

But that's no reason for everyone to give up

I always try to be the last person to comment on my photo threads, it's common courtesy to thank
people even if you don't agree with them

 

[sirch]

I always try to be the last person to comment on my photo threads ...

Game on then

 

[Cobra]

But that's no reason for everyone to give up

I'm not saying that at all, more to the point, those that don't should be encouraged to do so

 

[Cobra]

I always try to be the last person to comment on my photo threads, it's common courtesy to thank
people even if you don't agree with them

Absolutely, and I do that also.

 

[DemiLion]

To be honest I've largely given up with C&C.

99.999999% of the time if you make an observation about how an image could be improved (crop, composition, timing, straightening etc)
it either gets ignored or the repose is defensive and negative.

Very few people actually want to learn and improve. Most just want their heads and egos patted.

 

[redhed17]

I use the 'Like' but to acknowledge that I like a photo when I don't have anything to say beyond that. Sometimes it is just, yes, I like it.

I would rather some of that on any of the images I (very rarely post) post rather than nothing at all, but only if someone feels they truly like it, rather than FB/FlickR/500px type thing where it it seems to be a 'like' swapping endeavour, or blanket likes for certain people for anything they may post because they are a 'friend' regardless of the merits of the image. But, if no one wished to say anything about an image, or post a like, so be it. That also says something about the image posted.

I don't know the feasibility of it, or even it would be a wise thing, but maybe a views counter on a post/page could be implemented. If I say post an image, and the picture gets 200 views and no comments or 'Likes', that tells me one thing. If I post an image and I can see it got 10 views, 2 comments and 4 'Likes', that tells me something else. Of course some people could take having a large number of views, with no comments or likes very negatively. So if it were possible to do, it would have to be a considered move.

I may think differently to most, but if I am posting an image because I like it, for whatever reason, nobody else liking it does not make me like an image any less. I'm aware some people's view on their own work may be seen to a larger or lesser degree through the 'lens' of others comments or likes. I've always said that unless you are trying to sell images primarily, the only person who has to be happy with the image is you.

I also use the 'Like' button to show appreciation of humour or surprise in a posting away from image postings. I have also been using it in a thread that I started to acknowledge that a post has been seen and read by at least one person, to encourage more people to comment and interact, as imho there is nothing worse that thinking you are posting to no one. I take a long time doing some posts, and it is nice to know that someone is actually appreciating what I am doing, or at least seeing it, or am I just doing it for no reason, because no one is actually seeing it! And I have to say the thread seems to have been more active than last years version of the thread, so in my mind at least it has worked to some degree.

Just my 'thoughts' on the 'Likes'.

 

[nandbytes]

To be honest I've largely given up with C&C.

Very few people actually want to learn and improve. Most just want their heads and egos patted.

There, there....

 

[ancient_mariner]

Here's a thought - how about having a 'Crit My Images' Yes/No alongside the 'Edit My Images' Yes/No - then it's obvious.

Guess the other thing to say is that since many forum users will be on mobile devices, at least some of the time, they should not consider offering advice until they've used something with a half-decent screen. I wouldn't even offer crit from my work computer, because the screen is dark/colours iffy.

 

[Deleted member 68495]

Indeed Martin,you are correct, and actually its still there in the drop down menu at the left of the title bar.

View attachment 318318

Ah yes, I see it. I thought it had gone but it is only there on certain forums and I didn't look at the relevant ones.

 

[Retune]

If you want to be more photo-centric, one thing you might want to look at is the Gallery. The default view currently shows me lots of things that clearly aren't intended as creative photography (e.g. lenses for sale in the classifieds, pictures of packaging material, screenshots, etc.). Maybe the default view needs to be filtered by tags?

 

[Deleted member 68495]

I don't post many photos here and when I do, I tend to stick them in the relevant sections. Not sure if I've ever had any comments on them! Must be perfect in every way then. If I want to share photos properly, I'll show decent size prints.

I always try to upload a full-size image to Flickr and link to it from here. Many, many photos are adequate at page-size but really come into their own when viewed in greater detail.

Here's a thought - how about having a 'Crit My Images' Yes/No alongside the 'Edit My Images' Yes/No - then it's obvious.

Have to admit, I don't even know what the 'edit my images' is about. How can one do that? Go to Flickr and hack a login? Or is it just for pictures that are hosted on this forum?

 

[boyfalldown]

Here's a thought - how about having a 'Crit My Images' Yes/No alongside the 'Edit My Images' Yes/No - then it's obvious.

The trouble with that is if a person wants some images critiqued and some not it's a bit too prescriptive to allow that. Most of my images I'd like grit on, but occasionally either I've found something amusing (but it's a crap photo) and wanted to share for giggles alone (maybe I'm alone in my sense of humour) . I like photos for pleasure for that reason

 

[Marc]

Have to admit, I don't even know what the 'edit my images' is about. How can one do that? Go to Flickr and hack a login? Or is it just for pictures that are hosted on this forum?

People can just download the photos from the forum.

 

[ancient_mariner]

People can just download the photos from the forum.

Exactly that - or screen-grab and paste.

 

[Deleted member 68495]

People can just download the photos from the forum.

Ahh, ok.

 

[Cobra]

if you make an observation about how an image could be improved (crop, composition, timing, straightening etc)
it either gets ignored or the repose is defensive and negative.
.... Most just want their heads and egos patted.

Yep and as I've mentioned a few times, its the FB mentality, that has been creeping in over time.

If I post an image and I can see it got 10 views, 2 comments and 4 'Likes', that tells me something else. Of course some people could take having a large number of views, with no comments or likes very negatively.

We get a lot of bots crawling the site, so a lot of views aren't always made by people.

they should not consider offering advice until they've used something with a half-decent screen. I wouldn't even offer crit from my work computer, because the screen is dark/colours iffy.

As per the app is dead thread, I never understood people wanting to view a photography site on a mobile device.
IF they want to view images.

Maybe the default view needs to be filtered by tags?

Not a bad idea, as a lot use it as you say, for stashing items for sale pics.
Rather than "clutter up" the likes of flickr or their own web sites.

Have to admit, I don't even know what the 'edit my images' is about.

It means you are happy for someone to take your image and re-process and put it back on your thread, as a help
to processing, say, a dull or un sharpened image.

 

[pooley]

I'm really glad you 3 musketeers have taken over to keep things going and thanks Marcel.

I've made my views known on the like button several times - IMHO it serves zero purpose in the critique threads, all it does is stifle conversation and learning.

It definitely has its place in things like the funnies thread where you don't need loads of comments about how funny the post is (or not!) but as the primary purpose here should be 'talk photography' then I'd love to see an emphasis more on the photography side and chatting about photos.

I really don't buy the 'I'm too busy' or 'I'm too inexperienced' comments. Maybe you don't know how to improve a photo technically, and that's fine, but talking about light, compositions etc will ingrain thoughts next time you point your camera at something

Personally, I learn as much, if not more, by commenting on others shots as hearing comments on my own.

All the best to the new owners

Mike

 

[Cobra]

All the best to the new owners

Mike

Cheers Mike,
and as I agree with the rest, I would have liked to "like" your post, but you know

 

[pooley]

I know...

 

[Box Brownie]

I'm really glad you 3 musketeers have taken over to keep things going and thanks Marcel.

I've made my views known on the like button several times - IMHO it serves zero purpose in the critique threads, all it does is stifle conversation and learning.

It definitely has its place in things like the funnies thread where you don't need loads of comments about how funny the post is (or not!) but as the primary purpose here should be 'talk photography' then I'd love to see an emphasis more on the photography side and chatting about photos.

I really don't buy the 'I'm too busy' or 'I'm too inexperienced' comments. Maybe you don't know how to improve a photo technically, and that's fine, but talking about light, compositions etc will ingrain thoughts next time you point your camera at something

Personally, I learn as much, if not more, by commenting on others shots as hearing comments on my own.

All the best to the new owners

Mike

I have used the "like" button but I use it IMO sparingly and in some cases add a critique to support my like for the image.................some I like but only critique the image.

Another possibly more appropriate place for the 'like' and indeed the other options available is in the OOF and other non-image sub fora

 

[pooley]

I have used the "like" button but I use it IMO sparingly and in some cases add a critique to support my like for the image.................some I like but only critique the image.

Another possibly more appropriate place for the 'like' and indeed the other options available is in the OOF and other non-image sub fora

Absolutely BB, I don't deny it has its place in certain sections, there are loads of possible examples throughout the forum, but it's been a disaster for critique sections. That and snowflake mentality!

Mike

 

[Cobra]

Another possibly more appropriate place for the 'like' and indeed the other options available is in the OOF and other non-image sub fora

I suggested that a long time ago, but TBH I'm not sure if it is actually possible.

b****r it @pooley I did it

 

[pooley]

I suggested that a long time ago, but TBH I'm not sure if it is actually possible.

b****r it @pooley I did it

Go on, you've shamed me into it ^^^^^^^^^^

 

[DemiLion]

Oh and if everyone is compiling a wish list:

Please could we lose about 75% of the stickies in the Talk Sport subforum?

Most of them are years out of date.

 

[Cobra]

Oh and if everyone is compiling a wish list:

Please could we lose about 75% of the stickies in the Talk Sport subforum?

Most of them are years out of date.

I rarely visit there but I'll take a look, in the morning, its way past my bed time & I need all the beauty sleep I can get

 

[Donnie]

Just seeing the news, took me 3 days but hey, that's working 14 hour shifts :-/
However, really good to see the in house crew take over and Marcel not going too far / being put out to pasture / on an ice flow lol

 

[tijuana taxi]

I don't offer critique on photos because its just an opinion and a subjective one at that.
Yes I can see if something appears pleasing to me, mostly not sure why.
Can also tell if something fundamental is awry, but that's not usually the case.

I went to a camera club twice and the competition judging section was a very strange affair.
A very unpleasant individual offered his opinion in an almost sadistic way.
The recipients of this advice also seemed to be deriving a strange masochistic pleasure from his words.

So, sorry I will not be passing judgment on any ones else's efforts.
Won't be tempted to use the like button either, just not the reason I come to this site.
Lots of other good ways to participate or at least that's how I feel,

The current zine swap is great fun and the monthly/yearly comp used to be enjoyable too.
I have also arranged a few meet ups too and will again soon I hope.
One year we did a photo thing where they were all taken on the same day, maybe worth revisiting.

 

[Jelster]

Bit the difference to faceache and here is, on fb a crap shot will be shared and everyone is like WOW that's a fantastic shot. Here the images are a damn site better.

Unless they're mine, obviously....

 

[Cockney]

Great news.
Thanks to the TP3.

 

[Deleted member 34016]

Here's a thought - how about having a 'Crit My Images' Yes/No alongside the 'Edit My Images' Yes/No - then it's obvious.

Now there a sensible suggestion, if ever I heard one

Les

 

[Harlequin565]

Now there a sensible suggestion, if ever I heard one

Les

Only downside is that you might want feedback on some images and not on others.

 

[Deleted member 34016]

Only downside is that you might want feedback on some images and not on others.

Hence the YES/NO option - try to keep up

 

[boyfalldown]

Hence the YES/NO option - try to keep up

If its like the 'Edit' option its a global setting that gets applied to everything. Hence the

Only downside is that you might want feedback on some images and not on others.

Try to keep up

 

[Cobra]

However, really good to see the in house crew take over

Cheers Paul

One year we did a photo thing where they were all taken on the same day, maybe worth revisiting.

Ah yes, now you say it, I do remember that, duly noted for the future

Now there a sensible suggestion, if ever I heard one

Not a bad idea at all, but then some people seem to miss edit / NO

 

[Deleted member 34016]

Cheers Paul

Ah yes, now you say it, I do remember that, duly noted for the future


Not a bad idea at all, but then some people seem to miss edit / NO

Not guilty your lordship

 

[EJB]

If the 'Like' button is removed I would simply post 'Like'.(Or an image of a tick?)
It means I appreciate the poster for posting the image/comments...nothing more, nothing less!

 

[Harlequin565]

Hence the YES/NO option - try to keep up

Cool. I thought "Edit my images" Yes/No was a binary thing. How do I make it different for every photo I post? Or have I really been left behind?

 

[Marc]

If the 'Like' button is removed I would simply post 'Like'.(Or an image of a tick?)
It means I appreciate the poster for posting the image/comments...nothing more, nothing less!

Indeed

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If we got rid of the like button, do people really think that those who had previously click 'Like' would then post constructive feedback? The most you'd get would be 'nice shot'.

The like button is a convenient scapegoat for the decline of constructive feedback but the truth has already been alluded to on here. People are less inclined to post feedback because it's too often ignored or not taken in the spirit in which it was intended.

 

[sirch]

Hence the YES/NO option - try to keep up

I think you missed Ian's very important point, "Edit my images" is a profile based setting and applies to all your posts and you have to go into your profile to change it. So what happens if I post something in one thread that I do want feedback on and something in another on which I don't?

I still don't understand what people expect to happen if they don't want feedback? I think the default position should be that this is serious photography forum, not instagram, and so in general images are posted for learning and feedback. We can look at ways of making that more obvious in the Photos: forums and we also need ways of making people give more emotionally intelligent feedback. I noticed in a thread yesterday someone replied with just the comment "9 and 10 the best of that lot." No justification, no because, no IMO, just "9 and 10 the best of that lot.", that's not intelligent feedback and we need to educate commenters as much as OPs.

 

[Harlequin565]

I think you missed Ian's very important point, "Edit my images" is a profile based setting and applies to all your posts

Dammit... The Ignore function caught half of the patronising responses... Fixed now though

Please don't ever remove ignore functionality!