The virus. PPE. Part 1

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This R is very unreliable for public consumption, I have just seen the BBC reporting R as 0.7 to 1 0.9 and then showing area variations on a map where most were about 0.94 and a few were about 0.84. I didn’t see any ay 0.7, maybe I blinked. But any way I can’t see that that 0.94 is any different from 1 or maybe above for most areas. Of course it’s only TV :(.

Edit, should have written 0.7 to 0.9 :(, corrected.
 
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It may also be that what is presented to the public isn't what the scientists said in private, especially if people with a range of leanings and ideologies where asked for advice.

I did say waaaaaaaaaaaaay back that I hoped the government were just picking the science that best suited their agenda rather than the best science.
 
I did say waaaaaaaaaaaaay back that I hoped the government were just picking the science that best suited their agenda rather than the best science.

I was also thinking that is Mex and one of our more right-leaning contributors were both presented with the same set of data, they would likely offer very different advice that they genuinely - possibly passionately - believed to be correct. It's hard not to have an agenda as a scientist too - wishing to protect the masses is every bit as much an agenda as wanting to screw them over.
 
This R is very unreliable for public consumption, I have just seen the BBC reporting R as 0.7 to 1 and then showing area variations on a map where most were about 0.94 and a few were about 0.84. I didn’t see any ay 0.7, maybe I blinked. But any way I can’t see that that 0.94 is any different from 1 or maybe above for most areas. Of course it’s only TV :(.
On the dataset I saw the London was R=0.4 - I presume the 0.7-1 is the weighted mean or weighted median across England. The second dataset had London at R=0.7
 
Wait until the recta clambering up the cliffs at Durdle Door start falling ill with it...
 
On the dataset I saw the London was R=0.4 - I presume the 0.7-1 is the weighted mean or weighted median across England. The second dataset had London at R=0.7
Likely so, what I saw was a map with the camera panning around, it looked like the region covering London was 0,94 but, as I said, it was confusing as a news report :(.
 
Doherty is NOT pronounced 'Dog-arty' for example
And while we are on that subject WTF is Siobhan all about?
It bears no resemblance to the pronunciation
 
When I first met Sue she had an Irish room-mate called Neamh (pronounced Neve.
Oh yeah I'd forgotten about that, that's another one :rolleyes:
 
This R is very unreliable for public consumption, I have just seen the BBC reporting R as 0.7 to 1 0.9 and then showing area variations on a map where most were about 0.94 and a few were about 0.84. I didn’t see any ay 0.7, maybe I blinked. But any way I can’t see that that 0.94 is any different from 1 or maybe above for most areas. Of course it’s only TV :(.

Edit, should have written 0.7 to 0.9 :(, corrected.

I don't know if they can accurately track it - I think it was the infection rate they had estimated of c.100k then said it could be 50k-250k - cant remember the exact figures but a huge spread!
 
And while we are on that subject WTF is Siobhan all about?
It bears no resemblance to the pronunciation

Don't you go in on half a dozen of my exes!!! :mad::ROFLMAO:

Actually, it's Siobhán, and pronounced 'Shove-on' not even kidding. In Gaelic, bh often sounds like a V - but not always, as Irish is complex, more so than German or French ... - example: 'An bhfuil tú go maith?' [Are you ok/good?] here the bh sounds like a w .... yeah it's a f'd up language
 
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Not introducing a quarantine right at the start of the pandemic went together with the mindset that this would be just like a flu pandemic. You're accepting that the infection will quickly become established nationally, so that there is no point in ramping up testing and tracing capacity (which you don't intend to use widely in the community) or stopping people coming into the country (which will just delay the inevitable). The trouble is, this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. By believing that a national epidemic cannot be stopped and failing to take the early action that might make a difference, you make it inevitable. And because the outbreak is growing exponentially, there is only a narrow window in which to take decisive action before things spiral out of control. The countries that successfully handled the pandemic made different assumptions right at the beginning, and acted on them. This would not be like flu, and needed to be handled by the traditional techniques of test, trace and isolate, used with great success against other infections.

Where the responsibility for all this lies will be determined by the eventual public enquiry, assuming it's not a whitewash. Earlier governments did not make adequate plans for any pandemic, but especially for one that was something other than influenza. When this one hit, they really only had a flu plan to fall back on. The publicly visible official UK scientific advisors seem not to have been thinking far outside the flu box in the early weeks, though there were some high profile dissenting voices elsewhere, and the full story of what was discussed in private has yet to emerge. From what has come out, SAGE scientists were extremely concerned by late February, and presented their chilling predictions in early March. A great deal could still have been salvaged, and probably tens of thousands of deaths avoided, if decisive action had been taken right then. It wasn't until the scientists had taken it upon themselves to model lockdown scenarios that the Government seems to have been prodded into belated, indecisive action. Now we are relaxing the lockdown, probably prematurely, and after wasting much of the time it bought us in failing to develop a fully functional testing and tracing system. Border quarantine would make a lot more sense if we had a better handle on the domestic situation, as the case in South Korea.
 
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And while we are on that subject WTF is Siobhan all about?
It bears no resemblance to the pronunciation
That's the Celts all over. Just trying to come across as all mysterious like. :naughty:
 
Don't you go in on half a dozen of my exes!!! :mad::ROFLMAO:

Actually, it's Siobhán, and pronounced 'Shove-on' not even kidding. In Gaelic, bh often sounds like a V - but not always, as Irish is complex, more so than German or French ... - example: 'An bhfuil tú go maith?' [Are you ok/good?] here the bh sounds like a w .... yeah it's a f'd up language
Mostly because like Welsh language & also Scots Gaelic, the orthography was established by a non-native speaker... You can guess the native language of all three orthographers..
 
Covid toe! Who knew? I didn’t :(
 
Covid toe! Who knew? I didn’t :(

I had that, but I have poor circulation in my feet anyway. So I dismissed it at the time as just being an impact on that while my body was fighting the virus. Only put 2 and 2 together when I saw the reports on it as a symptom. It was worse than before, mainly just on the bottom of one toe, almost like a blood blister forming under the surface on the bottom of one toe. The rest were red and tender.

As I say though, dismissed it as unrelated at the time and it all cleared up quick enough.
 
quite a damning program on Sky news right now regarding Cv-19 and the government (or lack of) response.
 
quite a damning program on Sky news right now regarding Cv-19 and the government (or lack of) response.

At least the government have a great ready made excuse when the infection rate goes up, those idiots protesting across the country... much was said about Cummings and others breaking the lockdown rules, so how come its ok for me to get to London and mix with lots of protests but cant get my mates round to sit in my house and have a beer???

Regardless of the cause of the protest, they should not be allowed to do that in this current pandemic.
 
It went through my mind earlier that a clap for the NHS type of event might have been more appropriate than people gathering in cities around the country. Clap for equality? Clap for an end to racism? I'd do that.

Frankly though, the British have plummeted in my estimation in recent years and now little surprises me. I'll leave it to Darwin and hope the protesters now abandoning social distancing and common sense don't take any sensible innocents down with them.
 
It went through my mind earlier that a clap for the NHS type of event might have been more appropriate than people gathering in cities around the country. Clap for equality? Clap for an end to racism? I'd do that.

Frankly though, the British have plummeted in my estimation in recent years and now little surprises me. I'll leave it to Darwin and hope the protesters now abandoning social distancing and common sense don't take any sensible innocents down with them.

It’s not just Brits though. Similar across the US and Australia and many other countries.
 
It’s not just Brits though. Similar across the US and Australia and many other countries.

I wont blame the boomers or the millenniums or the possible mind numbing effects of social media and staring at a phone all day or the knee jerk shrill society we're arguably appearing to become. Maybe there's something in the water.
 
I wont blame the boomers or the millenniums or the possible mind numbing effects of social media and staring at a phone all day or the knee jerk shrill society we're arguably appearing to become. Maybe there's something in the water.

I think times have changed, priorities, a sense of entitlement, and the glut of instant news. Ironic based on current events but find many people today more intolerant than they used to be (or certainly more vocal) against people they don't agree with.
 
I think times have changed, priorities, a sense of entitlement, and the glut of instant news. Ironic based on current events but find many people today more intolerant than they used to be (or certainly more vocal) against people they don't agree with.

I think that's possibly the best explanation I've heard/read. Well done! :D

I think some may be less tolerant because of a mentality fostered by existing much of the time in a self reinforcing bubble on social media with others who share the same world view and opinions and to an extent feed off each other. Any deviation from the accepted bubble view will be so shocking it'll cause an ott reaction and the blasphemer must be shouted down, silenced and completely destroyed.

I may be wrong but that's my theory.
 
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(or certainly more vocal) against people they don't agree with.
I think that this was referred to as "the death of deference" in the 1970s but it has been observed since the end of WW1. It was typified by one commentator as "the realisation that rich people are simply better thieves than poor people". As our society has become better informed and at the same time the gap between rich and poor has widened it has also become more argumentative, a common outcome of frustration.
 
I predict a spike in COVID a few weeks from now with these multiple “Cheltenhams” happening around the country :(.
 
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I think that this was referred to as "the death of deference" in the 1970s but it has been observed since the end of WW1. It was typified by one commentator as "the realisation that rich people are simply better thieves than poor people". As our society has become better informed and at the same time the gap between rich and poor has widened it has also become more argumentative, a common outcome of frustration.

Me and Mrs WW were talking about poverty today prompted by something I only half heard on TV that set her off. In the UK the poverty talked about in the media is likely to be relative poverty which could well be a very different thing from any actual true poverty. In much of the world people would weep with joy to have the level of poverty that exists in the UK.
 
She's probably right in actual hard terms. But if you can't put food in your mouth or cloth yourself is it really that different?
 
She's probably right in actual hard terms. But if you can't put food in your mouth or cloth yourself is it really that different?

Yes. Very mostly. For the minority of people who fall through the cracks in the welfare system there are at least the myriad charity, church and other groups who walk the streets and help people out of those cracks. I've seen this through my admittedly limited contact with people with no proof of ID, no money, no income, only the clothes on their back and nowhere to call home. There is help for even these people in that temporary emergency. In the UK the homeless usually don't starve, clothing is available and there's shelter too. Perhaps that level of temporary emergency poverty very largely doesn't even begin to compare to the level of poverty easily visible in even relatively developed parts of SE Asia such a Thailand let alone what goes on in other parts of the world or even actually other parts of Europe.
 
Personally I've lost faith in the public as a significant number seem to be acting as if C19 doesn't exist.
In the beginning lock down seemed to work very well. most people obeying the rules,
well that is apart from my neighbour ( and I'm sure they weren't alone) young family young preschool lad.
They carried on as normal, week-ends away or family & friends round, more than 1 child heard playing in the garden or seen bouncing on the trampoline (high fences here) & going out for the evening ( God knows where though)
But now the lock down has been eased, again God knows why, certainly to the extent, that people seem to think it has, its very much like a "schools out" mentality.
 
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In the beginning lock down seemed to work very well. most people obeying the rules,
well that is apart from my neighbour ( and I'm sure they weren't alone) young family young preschool lad.
They carried on as normal, week-ends away or family & friends round, more than 1 child heard playing in the garden or seen bouncing on the trampoline (high fences here) & going out for the evening ( God knows where though)
But now the lock down has been eased, again God knows why, certainly to the extent, that people seem to think it has, its very much like a "schools out" mentality.

Yup. I'd describe what I saw during my first trip to the high street earlier this week as a summer weekend/holiday vibe.
 
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