The virus. PPE. Part 1

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JohnC6 said:
After my post last night expressing my astonishment I was thinking about some of his posts which seemed strange..like his reaction to the stop on his vaccination-related posts and was wondering if he has mental welfare issues of whatever nature rather than being a 'troll' as mentioned in a couple of posts ( I had to Google what that was btw) in which case I think it's really sad considering his very high academic achievement. Should this be the case and had I known it (which I wouldn't of course) I wouldn't have engaged him with my comments re religion recently.

Just seen your post,Richard. Considering the nature of some previous posts, over time..not just this vaccine-related episode,my feeling is that it wasn't a poor attempt at humour.
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TBH John I often wonder if, for whatever reason, he behaves as he does to simply get a rise from people.
 
Donnie said:
Best advice? Stay at home simple as that. If you really are in a high risk group then simply stay home as much as you really can. You need to decide if going out is essential or just to enjoy some fresh air and then it's all about risk but as soon as you go out that risk increases.

So, if you are hoping to mitigate it then yes, not being near anyone else is best in which case you don't need masks or gloves at all.
If there's a chance of running into others then if they are wearing a mask, you are already at less risk, YOU wearing one stops YOU coughing (most) germs at others, it won't protect you from others germs unless you wear a FFP3 mask, but which one will you wear? Who will train you in it's use? Who will mask fit test you? If you cannot answer those then even wearing an ffp3 is pot luck.

Gloves, don't need them outdoors simple. Key is washing hands, if you can't wash hands next best is hand sanitiser, and in either case don't touch something and then put hand to your mouth. I could put both my bare hands in a covid petri dish right now, not touch anything else for 10 minutes and as long as I then wash my hands properly etc not become infected. OK it's an extreme example but its true.

You'll see lots of people in shops with ill fitting masks and wearing gloves all the way round the shop, touching all sorts and then touching the mask, using their phones etc. All this is transmission and that's the key to breaking the infection. But people pop masks on and gloves then dont use them properly thinking they are safe. :-(
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Thanks for this post - really useful TBH (y)
 
Anyone else have a copy of a conspiracy laden “The Epoch Times” through their letterbox?
 
Emily Maitlis pulled from newsnight for stating the facts of the Cummings case, apparently it was bias.

But they were happy to put a Russian hat on Corbyn and use a background of Moscow when discussing him.
 
Quite a few people I know (and these are typically what I would call Liberal / Lefties are planning not to use the track and trace app, mainly as it appears to be dodgy and not very private (along with some using it as a protest against DC). It does seem to have a few privacy issues... Thoughts?
 
I wonder what the record number of thread posts/views is in 6 months, this thread must be a contender :thinking:
 
Mozthecat said:
Anyone else have a copy of a conspiracy laden “The Epoch Times” through their letterbox?
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A couple of weeks back - it recycles well. ;)

cambsno said:
Quite a few people I know (and these are typically what I would call Liberal / Lefties are planning not to use the track and trace app, mainly as it appears to be dodgy and not very private (along with some using it as a protest against DC). It does seem to have a few privacy issues... Thoughts?
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I won't be using it - the information it generates is at present planned to be retained and sold with no recourse for the individual to have it deleted.
 
cambsno said:
Quite a few people I know (and these are typically what I would call Liberal / Lefties are planning not to use the track and trace app, mainly as it appears to be dodgy and not very private (along with some using it as a protest against DC). It does seem to have a few privacy issues... Thoughts?
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I won't be using it, nothing related to DC is getting my data by choice. If it was using the Apple/Google method of decentralised data, then I would be using it.
 
The Test and Trace protocol seems bizarre.

If you get a call, you have to self isolate. You can't get tested because apparently it doesn't show up in a test straight away. But you *can* be contagious pre-symptoms.

But, your household don't all have to self isolate, just the person who gets the call?
 
JohnC6 said:
No doubt you'll be familiar with another very clever song of his. The Elements.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcS3NOQnsQM
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Perhaps we should start a Tom Lehrer thread/fan club. I always liked the tale of Doctor Samuel Gall, inventor of the gall bladder, who soon became a specialist, specializing in diseases of the
rich. :) Too true, though nowadays they specialise in diseases of the gullible — they‘re not so rich but there’s many, many more of them :(.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
200000 tests per day, all turned around within 24 hours.

He'd agree to providing the moon on a stick before he'd agree that Dominic Cummings broke the guidelines.
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Seems that way, why though?

A Thinks what he did was reasonable
B Best mate
C Can`t manage PM job without him
D DC knows all BJ`s little secrets which may come to light if DC loses his job

I will pick D
 
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nog said:
Seems that way, why though?

A Thinks what he did was reasonable
B Best mate
C Can`t manage PM job without him
D DC knows all BJ`s little secrets which may come to light if DC loses his job
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I think “Can`t manage PM job without him”. It’s another interesting parallel with Trump and his awful son-in-law who seems th be the power behind the throne :(.
 
sphexx said:
Perhaps we should start a Tom Lehrer thread/fan club. I always liked the tale of Doctor Samuel Gall, inventor of the gall bladder, who soon became a specialist, specializing in diseases of the
rich. :) Too true, though nowadays they specialise in diseases of the gullible — they‘re not so rich but there’s many, many more of them :(.
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Just Googled it,Richard. I was unaware of Dr Gall Bladder..lol.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
The Test and Trace protocol seems bizarre.

If you get a call, you have to self isolate. You can't get tested because apparently it doesn't show up in a test straight away. But you *can* be contagious pre-symptoms.

But, your household don't all have to self isolate, just the person who gets the call?
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Really?

So hold on, because you were close to someone who is positive, you may be and so have to isolate at home, but (if it was me), my wife could come and go as she pleases???

I am not a trained scientist but struggling to understand how this is any good??
 
Interested to know are the track and trace callers going to reveal details of others medical history, a big no-no in normal times, or expect you to trust them and the memory and/or intentions of the person who listed you as a contact.

‘(Did like the suggestion in the comments on a news site that everyone should list Dominic Cummings as having been in close contact....)
 
I've already installed the app (I'm not on the IOW, so it probably doesn't do much yet). I'd be far more concerned about installing the Facebook app (which I don't have). Google already knows everything about me, so it's far too late to worry about that.
 
ancient_mariner said:
A couple of weeks back - it recycles well. ;)



I won't be using it - the information it generates is at present planned to be retained and sold with no recourse for the individual to have it deleted.
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And ex-TalkTalk chief executive Dido Harding is in charge of it :(.
 
Cummings hasn’t gone but Emily Maitlis has (sort of). “Emily Maitlis has been replaced as host of Wednesday night’s episode of Newsnight” because, in a previous programme, she said Cummings broke the rules.
 
camerassassin said:
That fills me with a HUGE amount of confidence :(
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I have dealt with Dido Harding in a professional capacity, always found her knowledgeable and polite.
You may have noticed I'm no fan of the Tories, but can only speak as I find
 
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cambsno said:
Really?

So hold on, because you were close to someone who is positive, you may be and so have to isolate at home, but (if it was me), my wife could come and go as she pleases???

I am not a trained scientist but struggling to understand how this is any good??
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What is there to not understand?

The government have been continuously criticised for not implementing test and trace, so now they are making it look like they are doing test and trace.
 
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KitsuneAndy said:
The Test and Trace protocol seems bizarre.

If you get a call, you have to self isolate. You can't get tested because apparently it doesn't show up in a test straight away. But you *can* be contagious pre-symptoms.

But, your household don't all have to self isolate, just the person who gets the call?
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I was saying that to the wife, we are both nurses (and neither of us are intending downloading the app) but if someone was to use the app but named either of us then we'd have to isolate for 14 days? That is really going to affect NHS staff in an inadvertant or not thought about way!
 
Donnie said:
I was saying that to the wife, we are both nurses (and neither of us are intending downloading the app) but if someone was to use the app but named either of us then we'd have to isolate for 14 days? That is really going to affect NHS staff in an inadvertant or not thought about way!
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Only one of you would need to isolate, which is what's odd about it!

I assume nurses will have to be exempt though, you can hardly isolate if you come into contact with someone with symptoms!
 
God knows. I'll just put on my mask......

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ancient_mariner said:
I won't be using it - the information it generates is at present planned to be retained and sold with no recourse for the individual to have it deleted.
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Its such a shame they've decided to do it that way. As in your case many people won't sign up for that reason. Specific legislation to protect users from this sort of thing happening is so easily enacted. Of course they could use a decentralised model as well
 
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Question about the app, can someone enlighten me as to what part of it is an actual problem and why or are we seeing knee jerk rection like we did with CCTV.
 
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I wonder why Boris said he did not want to go into the evidence that allegedly showed the falseness of a number of statements about Dominic Cummings.

All the allegations about what he did or did not do are in the public domain. If you believe what DC said then all have been accepted - he said he did drive towards Barnard Castle, he did walk by the river and in the woods. As far as I can tell the only one he said was not true was that he made a second trip to County Durham.

So what was the problem?

Being cynical did Boris not want to discuss the alleged false statements because, other than the second trip, there were no false statements?

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tijuana taxi said:
I have dealt with Dido Harding in a professional capacity, always found her knowledgeable and polite.
You may have noticed I'm no fan of the Tories, but can only speak as I find
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She maybe a pleasant person (I've not met her) she has however got a bit of a pants record when it comes to cyber security, when she was CEO at talk talk, 2 teenageers managed to hack their systems putting around 175000 customers details at risk. But it will all be fine as Matt Hancock " couldn't think of anyone better" to head the new test and trace app.
 
mikew said:
Question about the app, can someone enlighten me as to what part of it is an actual problem and why or are we seeing knee jerk rection like we did with CCTV.
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I understand that the problem is the data will be used and sold for other purposes. Quite why they can't just delete everything after the pandemic is over I don't know.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
Emily Maitlis pulled from newsnight for stating the facts of the Cummings case, apparently it was bias.

But they were happy to put a Russian hat on Corbyn and use a background of Moscow when discussing him.
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And we will at some point have the usual suspects using China or Russia as examples of state control. Odd though that if you lie in government you are displayed as some kind of hero?
 
mex said:
She maybe a pleasant person (I've not met her) she has however got a bit of a pants record when it comes to cyber security, when she was CEO at talk talk, 2 teenageers managed to hack their systems putting around 175000 customers details at risk. But it will all be fine as Matt Hancock " couldn't think of anyone better" to head the new test and trace app.
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Fair point, hope she has learnt a lesson from that.
Thankfully a lot smarter than the idiot MP's who are cocking everything up
 
mex said:
She maybe a pleasant person (I've not met her) she has however got a bit of a pants record when it comes to cyber security, when she was CEO at talk talk, 2 teenageers managed to hack their systems putting around 175000 customers details at risk. But it will all be fine as Matt Hancock " couldn't think of anyone better" to head the new test and trace app.
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"hack" is a strong word....

It's worse that that, they didn't sanitise their inputs so you could just put SQL queries in their search bar and search their entire database...
 
tijuana taxi said:
Fair point, hope she has learnt a lesson from that.
Thankfully a lot smarter than the idiot MP's who are cocking everything up
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And people hopefully learn from mistakes - you could argue someone who has experienced that is better than someone who hasnt!
 
mex said:
She maybe a pleasant person (I've not met her) she has however got a bit of a pants record when it comes to cyber security, when she was CEO at talk talk, 2 teenageers managed to hack their systems putting around 175000 customers details at risk. But it will all be fine as Matt Hancock " couldn't think of anyone better" to head the new test and trace app.
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tijuana taxi said:
Fair point, hope she has learnt a lesson from that.
Thankfully a lot smarter than the idiot MP's who are cocking everything up
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cambsno said:
And people hopefully learn from mistakes - you could argue someone who has experienced that is better than someone who hasnt!
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Yes, but that all hinges on the phrase "learning from mistakes" :-(

Sadly I've heard that too many times over the last 30 years in the NHS and it never seems to happen. Stafford / Morcambe Bay / Gosport / Shipman / Shrewsbury & Telford / Shropshire / Ian Paterson / etc etc .....
 
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