The virus. PPE. Part 1

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Uncle Fester said:
Good to see that they're wearing face masks and appear to be social distancing.
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Bet they’re not spitting either. Sorry, my bête noire :(.
 
User has to rinse them, I guess...
 
The carehome where my wife's grandad is had one confirmed case of it. So they tested everyone and sent them off.

A week later they were told the tests had all been lost...

Wonder if they were counted in the total tests done.
 
tarric said:
You would almost think that the government were following a secret agenda or at least not one which we the pleb's are not to be made aware of.
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When faced with alternative explanations of conspiracy or cock-up I seldom believe the conspiracy. :naughty:
 
Gremlin said:
In what way ?
Someone trying to protect vulnerable elderly people from idiots who can't obey the guidance rules ?
They own their houses and a small patio, the rest of the grounds are owned and maintained by the management company
for everyone's use.
I don't tend to use the grounds very much, prefer to be away from the estate for my outside exercise, but others
can't do that and many don't want to be put at risk, they may be old but they still have a right to live
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Sorry Ingrid, I mistakenly took a different slant on the situation from what you intended. I assumed that the management were being over prescriptive. You are quite correct - many don't want to be put at risk, they may be old but they still have a right to live.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
When faced with alternative explanations of conspiracy or cock-up I seldom believe the conspiracy. :naughty:
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I agree but if I had just called them a bunch of incompetent a*******s there would have been the usual rush to defend them.

sphexx said:
They’ve added lack of taste & smell today, maybe in response.
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I saw that on todays Scottish press briefing but have not seen any changes to the advice by the UK government.
 
tarric said:
I agree but if I had just called them a bunch of incompetent a*******s there would have been the usual rush to defend them.



I saw that on todays Scottish press briefing but have not seen any changes to the advice by the UK government.
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Me neither but BBC says “UK adds loss of smell and taste to list” on their“ website.
 
Encouraging but very small sample size: “The first coronavirus vaccine tested in people appears to be safe and generates an immune response.”

”The first coronavirus vaccine to be tested in people appears to be safe and able to stimulate an immune response against the virus, its manufacturer, Moderna, announced on Monday.
The findings are based on results from the first eight people who each received two doses of the vaccine, starting in March.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/...9c5891f853e147e4259af35a8c40313#link-471da7cb

(May be paywalled, NYT is/was offering £0.75 a week for a year so I subscribed)
 
sphexx said:
Encouraging but very small sample size: “The first coronavirus vaccine tested in people appears to be safe and generates an immune response.”

”The first coronavirus vaccine to be tested in people appears to be safe and able to stimulate an immune response against the virus, its manufacturer, Moderna, announced on Monday.
The findings are based on results from the first eight people who each received two doses of the vaccine, starting in March.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/...9c5891f853e147e4259af35a8c40313#link-471da7cb

(May be paywalled, NYT is/was offering £0.75 a week for a year so I subscribed)
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They've also made the more important coronavirus coverage available when you register for a free account.
 
French schools have been back for a week and 70 new cases in children,don't worry though Gove said its safe
 
'Rollout of NHS contact-tracing app to be delayed until June'

'The national rollout of a phone app for the government’s test and track response to coronavirus appears to be delayed until June, after No 10 said it would only happen “in the coming weeks”. Amid wider confusion about how well the project is operating, Boris Johnson’s spokesman said it was possible for the test and track system to work without the app, and for the lockdown to be relaxed further without the system operating at all.'

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...layed-until-june-no-10-test-track-coronavirus

What could possibly go wrong?
 
sphexx said:
Me neither but BBC says “UK adds loss of smell and taste to list” on their“ website.
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Was this reported as being a side effect/symptom ages ago ?

Seems to me that every little irritation is going to be blamed on cv19 before long
 
Gremlin said:
Was this reported as being a side effect/symptom ages ago ?

Seems to me that every little irritation is going to be blamed on cv19 before long
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It was, a longish time ago, by specialists in smell/taste (anosmologiss??) who first noticed an apparently disproportionate number of their colleagues going down with the virus. I guess in the nature of the job it requires close proximity to the patients breath etc :( so maybe you might expect a lot of the infection anyway.
 
Gremlin said:
Was this reported as being a side effect/symptom ages ago ?

Seems to me that every little irritation is going to be blamed on cv19 before long
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This has been talked about for a couple of months, and there were already large studies by early April:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7134551/

As in the MSN link above, testing criteria need to be further broadened to include other flu-like symptoms (with enough testing capacity made available to make this possible).
 
The Guardian article I linked to earlier i worth a read for the disproportionate numbers of excess deaths in specific cities, eg:

”The epidemic in Italy was disproportionately lethal in Lombardy in the north, where excess mortality hit 300% by 27 March, four times what would be expected. But this hides extremely high excess deaths in three cities: Bergamo (754%), Lodi (489%) and Brescia (344%).”

and:

”In New York City alone, with 11.8 million people, excess mortality rose steeply to reach 580% by 11 April, almost seven times the expected mortality.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ut-global-coronavirus-comparisons-experts-say

(My emphasis.)
 
Retune said:
'Rollout of NHS contact-tracing app to be delayed until June'

'The national rollout of a phone app for the government’s test and track response to coronavirus appears to be delayed until June, after No 10 said it would only happen “in the coming weeks”. Amid wider confusion about how well the project is operating, Boris Johnson’s spokesman said it was possible for the test and track system to work without the app, and for the lockdown to be relaxed further without the system operating at all.'

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...layed-until-june-no-10-test-track-coronavirus

What could possibly go wrong?
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Good. Well not good, because our money was wasted on it. Meanwhile in Sweden, the stronghold of the UN: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/arti...ntent=20200515&utm_term=FA This Week - 112017

Btw. This is a high-level globalist run publication written by your darling experts. Any "comments"?
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Good. Well not good, because our money was wasted on it. Meanwhile in Sweden, the stronghold of the UN: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/sweden/2020-05-12/swedens-coronavirus-strategy-will-soon-be-worlds?utm_medium=newsletters&utm_source=twofa&utm_campaign=Only Saving Lives Will Save Livelihoods&utm_content=20200515&utm_term=FA This Week - 112017

Btw. This is a high-level globalist run publication written by your darling experts. Any "comments"?
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I don’t know if anyone knows yet that “herd immunity” will work for COVID-19, it seems likely now since the virus is not mutating rapidly, but back then it couldn’t be known surely?

BTW, what are “darling experts”? Are they the same as “luvvies”, ie actors?
 
sphexx said:
Encouraging but very small sample size: “The first coronavirus vaccine tested in people appears to be safe and generates an immune response.”

”The first coronavirus vaccine to be tested in people appears to be safe and able to stimulate an immune response against the virus, its manufacturer, Moderna, announced on Monday.
The findings are based on results from the first eight people who each received two doses of the vaccine, starting in March.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/...9c5891f853e147e4259af35a8c40313#link-471da7cb

(May be paywalled, NYT is/was offering £0.75 a week for a year so I subscribed)
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Oh good. You will all line up begging to be shot up, all taxpayer funded. Don't count me in though.

Do look up "vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease" and how it causes deadly cytokine storms
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/07/science.abb8923.full
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042682216000180

Listen to the man in charge himself and picture the above in context with the new:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD1IhrjC0LE


Enjoy the ride if you dare!
 
sphexx said:
I don’t know if anyone knows yet that “herd immunity” will work for COVID-19,
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For a start it should

sphexx said:
it seems likely now since the virus is not mutating rapidly, but back then it couldn’t be known surely?
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Which virus. In March we already had 40 different ones.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/iceland-scientists-found-40-mutations-of-the-coronavirus-report-says/
Today maybe it is 400, maybe more. Differences may be tiny in some, and some may be non-viable, but of course the ones that matter will be the ones we hear about.

It will become just like seasonal flu most likely. A lot of experts are saying so.

sphexx said:
Are they the same as “luvvies”, ie actors?
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No idea, and it hardly matters what you call them anyway. I much prefer standard English. You can add 2+2, and that is that.
 
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LongLensPhotography said:
Good. Well not good, because our money was wasted on it. Meanwhile in Sweden, the stronghold of the UN: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/arti...ntent=20200515&utm_term=FA This Week - 112017

Btw. This is a high-level globalist run publication written by your darling experts. Any "comments"?
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I’m not sure the Swedish approach has been a success. It has a far higher death rate than other Nordic countries and its deaths per 1 mil population is high. The only success they can really claim is they’re able to keep their economy moving albeit at a reduced rate, but at what cost?
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Oh good. You will all line up begging to be shot up, all taxpayer funded. Don't count me in though.

Do look up "vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease" and how it causes deadly cytokine storms
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/07/science.abb8923.full
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042682216000180

Listen to the man in charge himself and picture the above in context with the new:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD1IhrjC0LE


Enjoy the ride if you dare!
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I didn’t bother to watch your video. I‘m not quite sure what you mean, but I can say that I’ve had a vast number of vaccinations/immunisations over the years and never had any serious reaction to them :). Only a sample size of 1 of course so I should add that I’ve made it to 83 so I’m a bit past caring :).
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Which virus. In March we already had 40 different ones.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/iceland-scientists-found-40-mutations-of-the-coronavirus-report-says/
Today maybe it is 400, maybe more. Differences may be tiny in some, and some may be non-viable, but of course the ones that matter will be the ones we hear about.
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View: https://BANNED/profvrr/status/1258507342561202176

LongLensPhotography said:
It will become just like seasonal flu most likely. A lot of experts are saying so.

No idea, and it hardly matters what you call them anyway. I much prefer standard English. You can add 2+2, and that is that.
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This is starting to feel like a Trump press conference.
 
sphexx said:
I didn’t bother to watch your video.
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It is not my video. Half of US watched it on late night TV. Give it a go. I know you enjoy BBC, and Steven Colbert with Gates is even more "kosher" for mass consumption. I promise there is nothing extra.

sphexx said:
I can say that I’ve had a vast number of vaccinations/immunisations over the years and never had any serious reaction to them :). Only a sample size of 1 of course so I should add that I’ve made it to 83 so I’m a bit past caring :).
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You had it good then. You should feel grateful. I don't know if you have or had any health issues that may correlate in any way but I know for sure on day 1 of your life you didn't get 20 shots all at once like they do now; and what you had wasn't developed for India or Africa regions. I personally have some allergy issues possibly related to it (probably heavily compounded by very poor working practices at Bristol University Chemistry department), and that is still very minor. I would much rather leave it there.

I have to leave it to you to do the reading, and solve the puzzle. I am not like fake news media force-feeding whatever disinfo they like. People need to learn to ask questions and do research or there is no point to any of it.
 
Retune said:
View: https://BANNED/profvrr/status/1258507342561202176
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I believe in one and only one true COVID-19. All the other ones are pretenders, fake and not longer genuine COVID-19. They don't even deserve a name.
I also believe in one and only flu [strain] and one and only common cold.

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global
 
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LongLensPhotography said:
I have to leave it to you to do the reading, and solve the puzzle. I am not like fake news media force-feeding whatever disinfo they like. People need to learn to ask questions and do research or there is no point to any of it.
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There is no puzzle to solve, the overwhelming medical evidence is that vaccines are safe.
 
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I have been trialling Beer as an anti viral, based it on scientific data
Germany has a huge beer consumption and fatality numbers are low there.
In contrast Italy, France and Spain who are mainly wine drinkers have high death rates
Not sure if it's working, but very enjoyable testing it out, someone has to do it
 
sphexx said:
I didn’t bother to watch your video. I‘m not quite sure what you mean, but I can say that I’ve had a vast number of vaccinations/immunisations over the years and never had any serious reaction to them :). Only a sample size of 1 of course so I should add that I’ve made it to 83 so I’m a bit past caring :).
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Antivaxers like to take legitimate concerns about potential adverse effects and inflate them to the size of Trump's ego. Of course the possibility that a novel vaccine might cause such effects is exactly why any vaccine has to be extensively tested to make sure it's safe.
 
Retune said:
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This is starting to feel like a Trump press conference.
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Well his avatar for a while was 'Vote Trump - Pence'

At least he didn't call you a sheeple :)
 
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LongLensPhotography said:
I believe in one and only one true COVID-19. All the other ones are pretenders, fake and not longer genuine COVID-19. They don't even deserve a name.
I also believe in one and only flu [strain] and one and only common cold.

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global
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If you read the linked blog post, you might understand what nextstrain is actually showing you. There are plenty of mutations (viruses mutate all the time), but so far no convincing evidence that any of them affect how SARS-Cov-2 behaves. That isn't true for influenza, where there are distinct strains with different properties. Over time, the same thing could happen with SARS-CoV-2. But flu can change particularly easily, because it copies itself with relatively low fidelity and can easily swap segments of its genome with other coinfecting strains.
 
Retune said:
exactly why any vaccine has to be extensively tested to make sure it's safe.
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Indeed. Just how would you know what is around the corner in 2 years time and how that might react. I fear we have no chance of knowing. There lies the problem.
Original SARS-1 vaccine and universal flu vaccines went down to the drain because of this.
Also adjuvants is not something I'd like to receive any more. They should instead formulate without them whenever possible. See I don't claim it doesn't work, but rather point out secondary fall out.
Personally my risk from COVID-19 is ultra low and chances are I already a had a super light form 2 months ago. At this point it is far safer to refuse any intervention.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-08-vaccination-flu-worse-exposed-strain.html
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042682216000180
 
Retune said:
If you read the linked blog post, you might understand what nextstrain is actually showing you. There are plenty of mutations (viruses mutate all the time), but so far no convincing evidence that any of them affect how SARS-Cov-2 behaves. That isn't true for influenza, where there are distinct strains with different properties. Over time, the same thing could happen with SARS-CoV-2. But flu can change particularly easily, because it copies itself with relatively low fidelity and can easily swap segments of its genome with other coinfecting strains.
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OK, I said it was quite minor, but it is happening and the clock is ticking. The virus has barely travelled the world once. Give it another or two roundtrips. It is RNA virus after all.

Based on current data, it seems as though SARS-CoV-2 mutates much more slowly than the seasonal flu. Specifically, SARS-CoV-2 seems to have a mutation rate of less than 25 mutations per year, whereas the seasonal flu has a mutation rate of almost 50 mutations per year.

Given that the SARS-CoV-2 genome is almost twice as large as the seasonal flu genome, it seems as though the seasonal flu mutates roughly four times as fast as SARS-CoV-2.
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So best case scenario is around 25 mutation combinations in a larger genome, which I know can substantially alter bio-chemistry. In key parts single amino acid can massively enhance or knock out enzyme activity, same with binding specificities, etc. You really don't know if they all will be COVID-19-like or a true novel COVID-20/21. This guesswork is a COVID rulette. Finally, you can't rule out COVID-mod-2X bio-terrorism event as warned by modern day prophet Gates. Everybody knows the sequences and has samples; it can come out of any P3 or P4 lab. << These have no right to exist just as nuclear weapons.
 
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tijuana taxi said:
I have been trialling Beer as an anti viral, based it on scientific data
Germany has a huge beer consumption and fatality numbers are low there.
In contrast Italy, France and Spain who are mainly wine drinkers have high death rates
Not sure if it's working, but very enjoyable testing it out, someone has to do it
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Sorry to blow your bubble but Belgians drink a lot of beer...
 
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