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Only if you all live together.
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The virus. PPE. Part 1
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Apart from the businesses that were told to close, this has been the case since day one.
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Weirdly it was an old comment that inserted when replying to that post, no idea why!
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This what we need for policing parks:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/05/10/singapore_robot_dog_social_distancing_patrols/
Although, on reflection, what about training border collies working together (they can also be ”remotely controlled
) to clear parks or enforce social distancing, they come with a useful nip too unlike these robots and run for a good deal longer than 90 mins .
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/05/10/singapore_robot_dog_social_distancing_patrols/
Although, on reflection, what about training border collies working together (they can also be ”remotely controlled
) to clear parks or enforce social distancing, they come with a useful nip too unlike these robots and run for a good deal longer than 90 mins .
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.... Travel independently, which most surfers do anyway, and maintain social distancing, which they do anyway while surfing regardless of Cvirus - Surfing isn't a contact sport. Today's government announcement means that it's no longer 'not allowed' to catch some waves when the sea conditions are right < Such activity should never have been restricted anyway imo.
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Unless you live with them you could only meet up with one person even whilst social distancing. They part of the guidelines is clear at least.
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Where are people getting the idea you can visit friends and family? The only thing that has changed is some people can go back to work avoiding public transport and you can exercise more than once and sit in parks with your household. Nothing about going to see other people.
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.... A friend goes to the beach to surf in the sea for exercise. I go for a walk and and sit on the beach with my camera and shoot at distance with 600mm telephoto lens. You can do the maths and work out the 'social distance' on that. What's your problem? What's anyone's problem with that?
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Which is why we need to work out a plan of living with Covid... like making sure those at risk are isolated and the rest getting on with being as close to normal as possible. Well, either that, or we basically stay as we have been for the last 4 weeks for 18months or maybe more!
So a customer in Northern Ireland has had half a dozen messages from customers overnight asking when her shop will reopen, and they can collect stuff following Boris’s speech. They apparently don’t believe her that guidance is different in NI....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52610594
So quarantine won’t apply to travellers from France, Conveniently avoiding the hassle and cost of setting up the tracking service at ferry and Eurostar borders, and seemingly forgetting how the Shengen zone works???
So quarantine won’t apply to travellers from France, Conveniently avoiding the hassle and cost of setting up the tracking service at ferry and Eurostar borders, and seemingly forgetting how the Shengen zone works???
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.... I have quoted your words in bold which I refer to :
I think it should be entirely up to those at risk whether they want to be isolated or not < I'm not sure if you mean isolation should be compulsory - Technically because I am 73yo others may say I am at risk (although I have no underlying health issues which I am aware of).
I feel pretty certain that if I lived in a care home I might welcome the Cvirus as an exit - I've had a great life and one's quality of life is what matters. I expect that quite a few older people feel the same. I have chatted about this with my daughter and she understands and agrees. My father passed away very soon after going to a care home in his mid 90s and my mother made sure she passed away shortly before she was obliged to go to a care home - she was in her early 80s.
Anyway, what will be will be - None of us are guaranteed tomorrow, so enjoy what each day brings! The death of my 4yo boy taught me that.
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We are all at risk, some more than others it seems, the lockdown rules were mandatory and very well observed thankfully
It was never about chancing your own health, more about infecting others and overwhelming the NHS
Not bothered if your selfish actions cause your own demise, but innocent lives lost because of it are a different matter
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As far as I’m concerned the risk hasn’t changed we will only be going out to quiet places like a dawn walk along the river
As others have said it’s about protecting others as well as your family
But at least I can now go out with the camera hopefully will get back my sanity
As others have said it’s about protecting others as well as your family
But at least I can now go out with the camera hopefully will get back my sanity
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As far as I’m concerned the risk hasn’t changed we will only be going out to quiet places like a dawn walk along the river
As others have said it’s about protecting others as well as your family
But at least I can now go out with the camera hopefully will get back my sanity
Didn't you just know the weather would turn rotten, white cloud forecast all week here.
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Has anybody seen that formula No10 have shown on how the alert level is calculated?
So the alert level is approx. 0.8 + 219000 = 219000.8
On a scale of one to five?
And this is from the government who are following the best scientific advice.
We're doomed.
So the alert level is approx. 0.8 + 219000 = 219000.8
On a scale of one to five?
And this is from the government who are following the best scientific advice.
We're doomed.
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As far as I’m concerned the risk hasn’t changed we will only be going out to quiet places like a dawn walk along the river
As others have said it’s about protecting others as well as your family
But at least I can now go out with the camera hopefully will get back my sanity
.... Nothing has been stopping you from taking out a camera on your walks. This is neither irresponsible nor selfish imo as you are practicing far more social distance than a mere 6 feet!
I spend hours at a time outdoors with my camera in wilderness patches where nobody goes due to them not being suitably dressed and equipped for brambles and nettles < Plenty of shots on my Flickr page.
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This is is the way you present statistical models in words. The "+" doesn't mean "add" it means "plus", and just tells you what terms included in the model.
It tells you nothing about the coefficients used to derive the value on the left, ie what gets done to the number of infections value before its added to the R value
So it's really only saying that the alert value will be arrived at, through "some combination" of R and the number of infections.
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.... FYI, I have been practicing 'isolation' since the day it was government advised. I food shop only once a week atm rather than daily and Waitrose is only a 7 minute walk along the river and so minimal contact with people. And so I am minimising risks to both myself and others.
I do not consider that spending time outdoors with a camera in wilderness areas (including deserted beaches) within walking distance is either selfish or irresponsible. I am talking about walking across fields (or adjacent to my garden) to areas where the social distance practiced is more like 60 yards plus rather than a mere 6 feet.
Stay Safe - No-one is guaranteed tomorrow whatever you do or don't do.
P.S. - I wouldn't expect you to be "bothered if your [my] selfish actions cause your own demise"
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I don’t and haven’t seen an issue with going somewhere you won’t be in contact with anyone else,but are you walking there as the guidelines did state you shouldn’t be making unnecessary journeys unless it for exercise and the exercise takes longer than the drive there..... FYI, I have been practicing 'isolation' since the day it was government advised. I food shop only once a week atm rather than daily and Waitrose is only a 7 minute walk along the river and so minimal contact with people. And so I am minimising risks to both myself and others.
I do not consider that spending time outdoors with a camera in wilderness areas (including deserted beaches) within walking distance is either selfish or irresponsible.
Stay Safe - No-one is guaranteed tomorrow whatever you do or don't do.
P.S. - I wouldn't expect you to be "bothered if your [my] selfish actions cause your own demise"
Just been watching on tv Rabb said it was now ok to go and meet both parents in a park,10 minutes later it was amended to you can only meet one.
I can’t understand why they stopped people meeting family while observing distancing outside,but you can go out and meet/talk to strangers who you have no idea who else they have been in contact with on your walk at two meters.
Clarity needs to happen now.
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To be pedantic, that was never "government" guidance, it was guidance to police officers (from the police, not the Government) on how they should exercise their discretionary powers in terms of what would be "illegal", nothing to do with best practise guidelines. And, like the recent changes, only applied in England.
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Difference is you don't go out to meet strangers. You are only likely to say hello as you pass by at a safe distance. If you go out to meet family, you are going to be spending time together and because they are family, there is every possibility that you may relax your social distancing and stand closer. Plus if you are now in a bigger family group, it makes it harder for other people to maintain a social distance from you.
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While technically correct, I think that it's not a good way to present information that will be seen by non-specialists.
This is an old battle for me as I spent a large chunk of my working life (some of it in the NHS) trying to explain to techies why they had to climb down from the ivory tower. I also caught a large amount of flak for practicing what I preached. The golden rule for communicating technical information to non-specialists, in my book, is aim your information at a normal 11 year old.
...of course: it's too much to expect the average politician to have attained that level of sophistication.
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I had dipped out of this thread....
But for those that seem to not have any common sense....
You can go do work (If safe to do so)
You can exercise more than once a day (if safe to do so)
You can travel to a park etc (if safe to do so)
(There's a common theme here, don't you think).
It's quite clear in the first 4 words of Step 1.
But for those that seem to not have any common sense....
You can go do work (If safe to do so)
You can exercise more than once a day (if safe to do so)
You can travel to a park etc (if safe to do so)
(There's a common theme here, don't you think).
It's quite clear in the first 4 words of Step 1.
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Absolutely agree. and you have to question why it was presented in that way (to make it appear more scientific/technical/"factual"/"objective" ?), you could have just said "An alert that would take into account both the R zero value and the number of (new?) infections."
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.... Yes I am walking everywhere - My longest walk being across the fields to the beach, a round trip of 5 miles with a Lowepro backpack containing.... about 6kg of Olympus camera gear. At my age that is exercise! And if one of my surfer friends has got there independently and photobombs my seascape telephoto shots what's wrong with that! One of them is RNLI and another has over 30 years surfing experience so they know what they are doing.
As others have said in this thread, how to behave is common sense. Yeah, I know that some people don't have any common sense and some of those are the ones freaking out about the pandemic.
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Or in shorter terms. Supermarkets are now well stocked with toilet rolls, it's time to start wiping your own arses again.
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He's an idiot but he's not alone.
If Boris had spoon fed the orders to the nation the morning radio and tv shows today would probably be full of shrieking media luvvies complaining about ongoing drakonian measures, the encroaching police state and other countries emerging from lockdown.
The message seemed clear to me and in fact I was relieved the message wasn't the imo more worrying big lockdown loosening up many expected but some just don't want to listen and understand what's being said.
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Yep you’re right there of course it’s that now we can drive to places
I have been walking around locally but the more interesting places are a little bit further away
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I`m another one who understood it all too, it is just how I thought he would do it and imo a very good way too.
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But this view, which I share, seems to be in stark contract to what I'm hearing and seeing on Radio 5 and This Morning on tv. Their view seems to be that the whole country has now been thrown into total confusion and all the good work could be wasted.
My choice of radio and tv may be to blame but I come to my usual conclusion, people are either thick or pushing a fud message for their own reasons. The third possibility is that I'm missing something. I don't know what the answer is.
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Telegraph has a number of critical articles this morning including this rather damning one
'Incoherent and lacking common touch': What Telegraph writers thought of Boris Johnson's lockdown speech
There are a number of positive articles too, but the overall impression is one of a confused message.
I've not bothered providing a link, its behind a paywall.
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The only shrieking would have been from the more rabid columnists in the tabloids and the Steve Baker types in Johnson's own party - i.e., exactly those who have been calling for an end to the lockdown and whom this new, vaguer message is intended to placate.
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I’m sure we are looking forward to the 50 page document that will make everything crystal clear 
and the Great British Public will flock to read it from cover to cover before nipping out to their street party/barbecue .
and the Great British Public will flock to read it from cover to cover before nipping out to their street party/barbecue .
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