The virus. PPE. Part 1

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mex said:
My wife is a dental hygene tech in a private surgery, they have been short of PPE for quite some time and are finding it very difficult to source, so much so that they are running with minimal staff, my wife is now furloughed and the practice are only taking emergencies and only then if the patient cannot be treated by NHS hospital dentists.
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@mex, Is that the process then that anyone suffering with severe pain may be treated by hospital dentists? I had assumed that all dentists were no longer using drilling equipment?
 
Peter10d said:
@mex, Is that the process then that anyone suffering with severe pain may be treated by hospital dentists? I had assumed that all dentists were no longer using drilling equipment?
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No have absolutely no idea what the drill is regarding hospital dentistry. (see what I did there?).
 
mex said:
No have absolutely no idea what the drill is regarding hospital dentistry. (see what I did there?).
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yes, alas..... :naughty:
 
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Peter10d said:
@mex, Is that the process then that anyone suffering with severe pain may be treated by hospital dentists? I had assumed that all dentists were no longer using drilling equipment?
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There are special gov centres being set up for *some* urgent cases.
 
Marc said:
Just found out that a fellow member of the MS centre that I attend has died after contracting Covid-19. :(
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Oh man :(

Brother in law of a photographer friend of mine too. Only got married in December, it's heart breaking.
 
I have a nasty feeling that before too long, we're all going to have similar links to this virus. I know Mrs Nod has lost an uncle to it and both his wife and son are currently going through it. TBH, for him it was the last straw - he's been very ill with lung problems for some years.
 
Nod said:
I have a nasty feeling that before too long, we're all going to have similar links to this virus. I know Mrs Nod has lost an uncle to it and both his wife and son are currently going through it. TBH, for him it was the last straw - he's been very ill with lung problems for some years.
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Just in the last week had links to one tragic death (nurse in her 50’s), one hospitalised friend and two friends self isolating at home.
 
joxby said:
The scale of that is breathtaking
You have to wonder what effect if any, harsher measures would have.
I mean, if they don't give a f*** now....its going to have to be a military solution ?...:rolleyes:
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Terrywoodenpic said:
We need a few concentration camps for such people, where they can be left to all their fun, and grief together, away from the rest of us.
Some might even be alive and let out, when this is all over
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Aye, I can see what would lead you to that to be fair, but personally I'd like to see them all arrested and charged with something so that whenever the courts etc re open they will individually be taken to trial and punished. If they get arrested once, community service, twice, suspended sentence, 3 times - jail.
 
Donnie said:
Aye, I can see what would lead you to that to be fair, but personally I'd like to see them all arrested and charged with something so that whenever the courts etc re open they will individually be taken to trial and punished. If they get arrested once, community service, twice, suspended sentence, 3 times - jail.
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sadly there are some that would wear a suspended or jail sentence badge with pride.
 
Donnie said:
Aye, I can see what would lead you to that to be fair, but personally I'd like to see them all arrested and charged with something so that whenever the courts etc re open they will individually be taken to trial and punished. If they get arrested once, community service, twice, suspended sentence, 3 times - jail.
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In the meantime they should be sent to work, unpaid, at the Nightingale hospitals, cleaning the bogs, changing bedding etc, etc.
 
JasonPC said:
In the meantime they should be sent to work, unpaid, at the Nightingale hospitals, cleaning the bogs, changing bedding etc, etc.
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Or simply stop their benefit payments for 4 weeks or withhold their salary at source.
 
sphexx said:
If correct this is good news I think:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...l-gatherings-were-rocket-fuel-for-coronavirus

... claiming that most cases originate from clusters of people at social/religious/etc gatherings with fairly close, extended contacts rather than suprmarkets etc.
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There must be lots of pubs & eateries, where hygiene is below par, that contribute to the infection rate.
Insofar as supermarkets are concerned I can only speak of the Tesco & Asda stores that are about 5 miles from my house. They have both set up very effective systems to maintain 2 metre separation outside and inside the stores plus control measures to direct where people walk. They have staff giving advice and help to customers plus disinfecting trolleys and baskets after every use. Damned fine effort.(y)
 
arclight said:
There must be lots of pubs & eateries, where hygiene is below par, that contribute to the infection rate.
Insofar as supermarkets are concerned I can only speak of the Tesco & Asda stores that are about 5 miles from my house. They have both set up very effective systems to maintain 2 metre separation outside and inside the stores plus control measures to direct where people walk. They have staff giving advice and help to customers plus disinfecting trolleys and baskets after every use. Damned fine effort.(y)
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No, the article is making the point that the referred to (specified) large gatherings involved a lot of close contact, hugging, sharing of drinks and so, not sure which supermarket you go to but that doesn’t happen in mine :).
 
sphexx said:
No, the article is making the point that the referred to (specified) large gatherings involved a lot of close contact, hugging, sharing of drinks and so, not sure which supermarket you go to but that doesn’t happen in mine :).
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WHO state:-
People can catch COVID-19 from others who have the virus. The disease can spread from person to person through small droplets from the nose or mouth which are spread when a person with COVID-19 coughs or exhales. These droplets land on objects and surfaces around the person. Other people then catch COVID-19 by touching these objects or surfaces, then touching their eyes, nose or mouth. People can also catch COVID-19 if they breathe in droplets from a person with COVID-19 who coughs out or exhales droplets.

All the scientists/medics I have heard are in agreement with the WHO. Whilst a load of people at raves and the like are clearly in a high risk environment the risk from any busy place just has to be substantial. Best heed the current advice being given to the public in relation to observing safe separation and hygiene everywhere.
 
arclight said:
WHO state:-
People can catch COVID-19 from others who have the virus. The disease can spread from person to person through small droplets from the nose or mouth which are spread when a person with COVID-19 coughs or exhales. These droplets land on objects and surfaces around the person. Other people then catch COVID-19 by touching these objects or surfaces, then touching their eyes, nose or mouth. People can also catch COVID-19 if they breathe in droplets from a person with COVID-19 who coughs out or exhales droplets.

All the scientists/medics I have heard are in agreement with the WHO. Whilst a load of people at raves and the like are clearly in a high risk environment the risk from any busy place just has to be substantial. Best heed the current advice being given to the public in relation to observing safe separation and hygiene everywhere.
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Nobody is saying that you can't catch it from contaminanted surfaces (so always wash your hands). It's just that the biggest risk of all is direct contact with an infected person or their respiratory droplets, and these sort of events (enclosed, crowded spaces with lots of touching) make this very easy to happen - the virus can go straight from an infected person's lungs into yours. This is why they are limiting numbers in supermarkets at one time and keeping people apart - yes, there's still a risk of infecting yourself by touching a shopping basket handle and then your face, but you are hopefully avoiding the even greater risk of breathing in the respiratory droplets of someone who got too close to you.
 
As I've said before, people need to remember that every time they (or another member of their household) leaves home (for whatever reason, including daily exercise, dog walking, etc.) they risk catching or spreading the virus. So think long and hard... as was said during World War 2 "Is your journey really necessary?".
 
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cambsno said:
Or simply stop their benefit payments for 4 weeks or withhold their salary at source.
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They would then turn to stealing ...catch 22
 
Mr Badger said:
As I've said before, people need to remember that every time they (or another member of their household) leaves home (for whatever reason, including daily exercise, dog walking, etc.) they risk catching or spreading the virus. So think long and hard... as was said during World War 2 "Is your journey really necessary?".
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On the news last night an old guy broke his arm, was admitted to hospital, caught CV and died, no sign of CV before he went in.
Is that trip outside home really required?
 
Finding deep enough water to refill the buckets might be the hard part.
 
mex said:
...and it's also available to them right up until March 2021. We're in this together.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52231592
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I have switched from working in a office to permanently working from home, following my employer relocating, but wanting to keep me on. I therefore took my pc, laptop, screen, phone etc etc home. If buying from scratch it would have cost around £2k to do my work efficiently. Even then we still had to spend a further £200 on a router that would work reliably with the headoffice it systems as my isp provided one didnt have certain functionality and stopped the phone working. It also cost around £120 in IT support to set me up. I am 99% paperless so didn’t require a printer or stationary, stamps etc.

The mp’s unlike myself are duplicating setup not replacing so may need extra equipment, like decent office chairs for 8 hour working days etc. So it sounds a lot but actually I don’t think it is actually that far out there if they have several staff.

I just hope it is true expenses based on actual receipts and not a flat allowance.
 
Retune said:
Nobody is saying that you can't catch it from contaminanted surfaces (so always wash your hands). It's just that the biggest risk of all is direct contact with an infected person or their respiratory droplets, and these sort of events (enclosed, crowded spaces with lots of touching) make this very easy to happen - the virus can go straight from an infected person's lungs into yours. This is why they are limiting numbers in supermarkets at one time and keeping people apart - yes, there's still a risk of infecting yourself by touching a shopping basket handle and then your face, but you are hopefully avoiding the even greater risk of breathing in the respiratory droplets of someone who got too close to you.
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Is that not what is in my quote from the WHO ?
 
Stanley Johnson says that Boris catching it will have served a purpose and reiterated the seriousness of it.

Reiterated it to who Stanley? Those of us who were aghast that we were ignoring all WHO advice? Or the moron banging on about herd immunity and taking it on the chin?
 
KitsuneAndy said:
Stanley Johnson says that Boris catching it will have served a purpose and reiterated the seriousness of it.

Reiterated it to who Stanley? Those of us who were aghast that we were ignoring all WHO advice? Or the moron banging on about herd immunity and taking it on the chin?
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Probably to himself.....he said after an early TV interview he was off to the pub...
 
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