The virus. PPE. Part 1

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On the subject of Chinese cases I can say I have very good reason to doubt their figures. An in-law is Chinese and has regular contact with her mother in China. Long before there was even a hint of anything in the news, she said 100's of people were dying from a mystery virus and she lives in the north of China nowhere near Hubei region. I heard this just after xmas time, so it just doesn't match what their goverment claim in terms of numbers. China officially reported its first case on the 10th January, so what they are saying is utter B@llocks!
Wish I had posted this when I heard so people would believe how they are lying!
 
Surely, correct me if I'm wrong, no one is arguing against experts in all and any fields forwarding ideas to help expidite extraordinary solutions to extraordinary problems.

The NHS is, by it's very nature, and this is not a criticism before anyone gets all spikey, a lumbering monster with deep operational issues.

As in previous emergencies, answers and results are likely to come from unusual sources.
 
Peter10d said:
On the subject of Chinese cases I can say I have very good reason to doubt their figures. An in-law is Chinese and has regular contact with her mother in China. Long before there was even a hint of anything in the news, she said 100's of people were dying from a mystery virus and she lives in the north of China nowhere near Hubei region. I heard this just after xmas time, so it just doesn't match what their goverment claim in terms of numbers. China officially reported its first case on the 10th January, so what they are saying is utter B@llocks!
Wish I had posted this when I heard so people would believe how they are lying!
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The 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic was first manifested by a cluster of mysterious, suspected pneumonia cases in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei Province, China. A Wuhan hospital notified the local center for disease control and prevention (CDC) and health commissions on 27 December 2019. On 31 December Wuhan CDC admitted that there was a cluster of unknown pneumonia cases related to Huanan Seafood Market after the unverified documents appeared on the Internet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic_in_mainland_China

I can't make any comments about the region your IL lives, but the disease become 'official' 27th December.
 
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nilagin said:
Or maybe that person in that field just lacks the vision to make or allow change. We are in unprecedented times, new thinking and processes are required.
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Funny you say that, my wife is a paediatric nurse (specialised in Oncology but she's no longer practicing) and I remember many a time her coming home and complaining how various nurses would suggest all sorts of ideas which could improve or streamline things, some were very simple apparently. But they would never even consider listening to new ideas never mind adopt them. There seemed to be some fear of change or something. Very frustrating.
 
ancient_mariner said:
The 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic was first manifested by a cluster of mysterious, suspected pneumonia cases in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei Province, China. A Wuhan hospital notified the local center for disease control and prevention (CDC) and health commissions on 27 December 2019. On 31 December Wuhan CDC admitted that there was a cluster of unknown pneumonia cases related to Huanan Seafood Market after the unverified documents appeared on the Internet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic_in_mainland_China

I can't make any comments about the region your IL lives, but the disease become 'official' 27th December.
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Yes agreed it became official then but my point is that people were already aware of 100's of deaths around this period of time. Given China's official stats from the 10th January it would appear to omit possibily thousands of deaths prior to this date which seems more likely when people were clearly dying before xmas. The source also said she didn't believe the official figures. Recently she even advised that things were about to open up again, this info coming before we heard it though our own news, so I trust her words.
 
Peter10d said:
Yes agreed it became official then but my point is that people were already aware of 100's of deaths around this period of time. Given China's official stats from the 10th January it would appear to omit possibily thousands of deaths prior to this date which seems more likely when people were clearly dying before xmas. The source also said she didn't believe the official figures. Recently she even advised that things were about to open up again, this info coming before we heard it though our own news, so I trust her words.
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There's quite a few reports emerging where the Wuhan residents are saying the figures don't add up and death rate could be as high as 40,000
 
Peter10d said:
Yes agreed it became official then but my point is that people were already aware of 100's of deaths around this period of time. Given China's official stats from the 10th January it would appear to omit possibily thousands of deaths prior to this date which seems more likely when people were clearly dying before xmas. The source also said she didn't believe the official figures. Recently she even advised that things were about to open up again, this info coming before we heard it though our own news, so I trust her words.
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I'm sure if you could find some supporting evidence it would be interesting, otherwise it will become another internet story. Not saying it's not true, but at the moment it's unsubstantiated.
 
ancient_mariner said:
The 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic was first manifested by a cluster of mysterious, suspected pneumonia cases in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei Province, China. A Wuhan hospital notified the local center for disease control and prevention (CDC) and health commissions on 27 December 2019. On 31 December Wuhan CDC admitted that there was a cluster of unknown pneumonia cases related to Huanan Seafood Market after the unverified documents appeared on the Internet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic_in_mainland_China

I can't make any comments about the region your IL lives, but the disease become 'official' 27th December.
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As some people won't show any signs, how long did it take for them to notice this "mysterious" illness, it could have been weeks since the very first infection and more than enough time to spread beyond Wuhan, before being made official and the city getting locked down.
 
the black fox said:
exactly there's more to this than what's being announced ,yes my little conspiracy theory was just joke to calm down the brownie points argument that was ongoing tween a couple of bitches on here .. but IS it that far out of line ..time will tell ... everything comes to light eventually .. are events like this in past times the spur that started religion .. one thing is for certain mankind for all its cleverness has been humbled by a unseen bug .. will a different world arise from this .. we can only hope
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My opinion is yes, we will see a different world when this is over but when that will be is anyone’s guess. It’s not off the table that there could be a second wave out of China or more likely Italy or Spain if we can believe that the Chinese have seen the last of of it but to be fair officials are watching very closely as the Provences get back to work.

I don’t think we’ll come out of this unscathed though regarding the fear and trauma experienced. I’m thinking of the psychological effects of self-isolation and when people go out the 2m rule at supermarkets mainly and the fear of touching a contaminated surface. There those who’ve had to cope with spouses and/or family members die alone. The effects on front line medical staff. On top of that there’s the obvious economic factors. I can’t imagine what it would be like to lose your income so suddenly through job loss albeit HMG are paying out 80% of wages with a ceiling re earnings..£2500 a month I think. I’m not sure how the self-employed will fare but many businesses will go to the wall. Even now incidents of domestic abuse are rising sharply as families are confined to small places. We don’t all have plenty of house room and decent-sized gardens and pleasant locations to take the government-sanctioned walks in. It must be awful living in a tower block.

The economic fall out is going to be severe. 10 years of austerity ending then this comes along with the Treasury borrowing massive sums. It’s a case of ‘as you were’.

On the bright side look at the co-operation with industry in making oxygen delivery equipment. for patients Mercedes Formula One team and JCB and Dyson. We certainly have very clever engineers. I’m hoping that we can all reconnect with each-other after this from the hitherto ‘’me-me-me society and the isolationist position taken by so many countries...Trump comes to mind and appreciate that international co-operation as experienced with China..eventually, after the initial outbreak could not be kept out of the public domain leads to a better world. Wishful thinking..?..probably.

There was talk that the Chinese leadership were going to stop these wet markets from operating..they have done it before but not properly and they re-appeared . There is hope that they will also stop the consumption of wild and endangered species including the so-called traditional medicine trade in such creatures and tackle hygiene conditions too but I despaired when I heard today that consuming bear bile is a cure for COVID-19.

I really hope that those reading this will open these links.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...nt-bear-bile-cages-animals-asia-a9429116.html

https://www.worldanimalprotection.o...MI56umnv_C6AIVlfdRCh3klwGiEAAYASAAEgI8H_D_BwE
 
When I think back on all the "world changing" events of history, focusing on this country, I'm left with the feeling that the only thing that changed was who you paid your taxes to.

The one exception was the Black Death. That ended the serf system. But it killed 1/3 of the population of Europe.

So, I'm not expecting significant change and any change that might happen might not be positive.

Be careful.
 
Since this is a photo forum, here's a photo - making enzyme conjugates to CoV-19 spike 1 protein. At this stage I've just added a cross linker to the protein, and removed the unbound linker by chromatography. The next stage is mixing with enzyme and letting it couple overnight.

It's just cookery really - the clever bit was done by the guys who worked out the original process. [emoji846]IMG_20200330_211926.jpeg
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
There's quite a few reports emerging where the Wuhan residents are saying the figures don't add up and death rate could be as high as 40,000
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I've read that too.
Very early on, one of China's most prolific news pages posted some infection and death figures, alot higher than officially announced at that time, the figures weren't online for long before being adjusted to a figure closer to those presented the previous day.
 
ancient_mariner said:
Since this is a photo forum, here's a photo - making enzyme conjugates to CoV-19 spike 1 protein. At this stage I've just added a cross linker to the protein, and removed the unbound linker by chromatography. The next stage is mixing with enzyme and letting it couple overnight.

It's just cookery really - the clever bit was done by the guys who worked out the original process. [emoji846]View attachment 273538
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Toni,
You are speaking a different language to almost all of us on here, but it is fascinating. I wish you and your kin every success.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
There's quite a few reports emerging where the Wuhan residents are saying the figures don't add up and death rate could be as high as 40,000
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In the fullness of time we may get a more accurate assessment of casualties. It is far from satisfactory that the truth is not being told.
There were voices in the media today suggesting that the casualties of coronavirus were not bad enough to justify the damage to our economy brought about the lockdown.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11282...-economy-and-will-kill-more-than-coronavirus/
Any down playing of the casualty rate dangerously undermines the efforts being to bring Covid 19 under control.
 
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LongLensPhotography said:
More wonderful news in the land of the COVIDIOTS https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brighton-pride-still-going-ahead-21781549
I suppose this is OK, because it is LIBERAL and they can wish away the virus and self-identify as CORVID-negative.
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The organisers said in a statement "With the current situation regarding Covid-19 changing at a rapid pace, we will continue contingency planning and working with our partner agencies to deliver a safe and successful event.

"With August being several months away, we are following government advice and will continue to review our position on a regular basis and implement plans accordingly.

So tell me again, what is a COVIDIOT? Is it someone who tries to manipulate and pervert reality to their own twisted agenda?
 
I suspect this will be a collector's item:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/ccJT7Rrkb96QyZHCSGMdz8/bbc-proms-2020-festival-guide

'The 2020 BBC Proms will run from Friday 17 July to Saturday 12 September. Whether you’re a first-time visitor or an experienced Prommer, watching at home or listening on radio or online, the BBC Proms Festival Guide will help you to plan your summer of music and discover in depth what lies behind the Proms – from the composers to the performers to how the events are broadcast.

Available in book stores and online from 22 April.'
 
nilagin said:
And there was me being wrong to suggest others could help in ICU 's
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...-covid-19-patients-in-intensive-care-11965973

But then I am just naive and have no knowledge of how nhs systems work.
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yep, and continue to be, it's not new that physios work in ICUs up and down the country, so because it's a story on sky of one physio that normally doesn't work on ICU doesn't make you right.
Plus, I bet she's not being deployed to just work a ventilator which was your original point you were trying to make.
 
Just noticed this linked from Amazon's front page:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/b?ie=UTF8&node=21103026031

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Testing Kits


The Government has asked Amazon to partner with them - alongside other retailers, life science companies and academic institutions - to aid in the fast-track of testing for the Coronavirus (COVID-19). You can find the official press release here.

We are using our logistics network to support the NHS with their plans. Further details will be set out by the Government in due course and we will update this page with more information as soon as it becomes available.

We believe our role serving customers and the community during this time is a critical one, and we are committed to working closely with the Government to identify ways in which we can support efforts to respond to the crisis.

For more information on COVID-19, please visit: https://www.nhs.uk
 
Donnie said:
yep, and continue to be, it's not new that physios work in ICUs up and down the country, so because it's a story on sky of one physio that normally doesn't work on ICU doesn't make you right.
Plus, I bet she's not being deployed to just work a ventilator which was your original point you were trying to make.
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No but others can be trained and deployed to do it.

Meanwhile more evidence of car engineers helping out hospitals and the help reciprocated.
https://www.at.ford.com/en/homepage...rs-race-to-overcome-covid-19-in-cologne-.html
 
There’s always someone knows somebody who knows someone who lives in China.....
 
arclight said:
In the fullness of time we may get a more accurate assessment of casualties. It is far from satisfactory that the truth is not being told.
There were voices in the media today suggesting that the casualties of coronavirus were not bad enough to justify the damage to our economy brought about the lockdown.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11282...-economy-and-will-kill-more-than-coronavirus/
Any down playing of the casualty rate dangerously undermines the efforts being to bring Covid 19 under control.
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He says the government panicked, and locked down which will crash the UK economy and kill more than the coronavirus.....
As if we are the only country to lock down....
 
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arclight said:
In the fullness of time we may get a more accurate assessment of casualties. It is far from satisfactory that the truth is not being told.
There were voices in the media today suggesting that the casualties of coronavirus were not bad enough to justify the damage to our economy brought about the lockdown.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11282...-economy-and-will-kill-more-than-coronavirus/
Any down playing of the casualty rate dangerously undermines the efforts being to bring Covid 19 under control.
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Even by the standards of the Sun, that's a terrible column, and completely misses the point about Ferguson's predictions (perhaps deliberately):

'Fast forward to today. The coronavirus death toll has topped 1,200 and, according to expert Prof Neil Ferguson, it could all be over in weeks with a final tally of "less than 7,000". That’s a big drop from the Prof’s terrifying forecast two weeks ago of up to half a million dead and perhaps 18 months’ lockdown.'

Half a million dead is what Ferguson predicted if we did nothing at all. A number in the thousands is what we might achieve if the lockdown succeeds in putting a lid on the national epidemic for now. But it would be far from over - relax the restrictions, and uncontrolled transmission resumes.
 
ancient_mariner said:
Since this is a photo forum, here's a photo - making enzyme conjugates to CoV-19 spike 1 protein. At this stage I've just added a cross linker to the protein, and removed the unbound linker by chromatography. The next stage is mixing with enzyme and letting it couple overnight.

It's just cookery really - the clever bit was done by the guys who worked out the original process. [emoji846]View attachment 273538
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Looks very impressive. Just watch you don't go accidentally developing a far more potent strain and then knock the flask over... as we all know how that ends! ;)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAyjkaFYnzE


And before anyone cries "bad taste", it's a national trait to use a bit of 'dark' humour to get us through times of emergency and we've got though two world wars and numerous recessions on it. We can't all join Toni and his colleagues on the front line to fight it, so we may as well try and laugh the bloody thing death instead! (y)
 
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jakeblu said:
There’s always someone knows somebody who knows someone who lives in China.....
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Reminds me of the six degrees of separation!

Although I have noticed one or two members quite often seem to have either worked in, have a family member, a neighbour or a friend involved or associated with whatever subject is being discussed. Seems a little too convenient sometimes.
 
I have been staying off the streets since being told to do so, and only gone out to the shop, then straight back home. Ventured into the front and back garden to take photos and that is it. A road near us has had a lot less traffic on it, but every now and again, you can hear a motorbike or high performance car go screaming down the road. Not sure if the driver or passengers of these vehicles are going shopping, or are in the category of essential work etc.


If you get caught driving for a non essential journey, are their penalties, and if so what offence could that be under?

The reason I am asking this, according to the Guardian no such law exists or has been passed, to make un essential driving, an offence. Sorry if this specific item has already been mentioned or talked about.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coro...s-lockdown-powers/ar-BB11VIC4?ocid=spartanntp
 
Sorry Jon but imho the police are acting correctly ,it’s the numpties with either no common sense ,don’t read the news as it upsets them,or just plain I can do what I want attitude . That are causing the problems ..
as in I,ll put the dog in the car and drive 30 miles away to take it for a walk in isolation .only trouble being that 500 other stupid t***s had the same idea .
 
the black fox said:
Sorry Jon but imho the police are acting correctly ,it’s the numpties with either no common sense ,don’t read the news as it upsets them,or just plain I can do what I want attitude . That are causing the problems ..
as in I,ll put the dog in the car and drive 30 miles away to take it for a walk in isolation .only trouble being that 500 other stupid t***s had the same idea .
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I have no intention of going out for a drive or a walk etc. But I am watching it on tv now, saying some police forces are getting heavy handed. I am staying off the road, and trying to do my best to avoid catching or passing any infection on.

But maybe the government should have made it law, that you can't just go off for a drive. Some people will just go off for a walk or drive willy nilly. All I was saying is, it is not actually law, not yet anyway.
 
the black fox said:
Sorry Jon but imho the police are acting correctly ,it’s the numpties with either no common sense ,don’t read the news as it upsets them,or just plain I can do what I want attitude . That are causing the problems ..
as in I,ll put the dog in the car and drive 30 miles away to take it for a walk in isolation .only trouble being that 500 other stupid t***s had the same idea .
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Maybe correctly, but not legally. ;)
 
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