The virus. PPE. Part 1

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broc said:
I want to stick around long enough to prove the actuaries wrong & make my company pension scheme pay out my share in full ;)
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My wife still gets money from the present scheme if I pop my clogs. :)
 
ancient_mariner said:
My wife still gets money from the present scheme if I pop my clogs. :)
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My wife will only get half of my pension when I depart this world......
Having said that I have been drawing my company pension since I was 50, so I have had almost 18 years worth so far but I should have another 12 years to go before the actuaries are proven wrong :)
 
Gretta says we will all be dead in 10 years anyway so why worry?

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The media should be ashamed of the reporting, and are causing a lot of problems, but what do you expect, it’s been a slow news month or two so this is gold dust to them. I am sure some other media scrum event will overtake this very soon.
 
ancient_mariner said:
Conversely, I'm 58. I've already buried a daughter, passed the age my father attained by more than 6 years, faithfully loved a wife for more than 38 years and seen a grand child born. If I should die from this in the next 12 months I'd be content - we all have to go some time, and better when still somewhat vital than decrepit and useless.
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That was a bit maudlin. Yesterday evening I was at a thanksgiving service for a friend who'd just died from cancer. [emoji853]
 
I'm keeping my eye on the news, type of thing that is used as camouflage to slide something unpopular in
Just the sort of thing a slippery politician would do at the behest of Rasputin
 
Just been to the loo at work and we now have a notice stuck on the hand driers with step by step instructions, with pictures, on how to wash your hands.
 
tijuana taxi said:
I'm keeping my eye on the news, type of thing that is used as camouflage to slide something unpopular in
Just the sort of thing a slippery politician would do at the behest of Rasputin
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Fortunately all the slippery politicians got 'put in their place' last year and took a pasting at the GE where common sense prevailed. ;)
 
It has been said that all the handwashing & other preventative measures will not stop the virus spreading it will just slow it down - allowing the NHS to cope better as the number of high dependency beds is limited.
 
We are at 115 cases (Yesterday)
On January 23 when China locked down Wuhan was at 571.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...ation-reports/20200123-sitrep-3-2019-ncov.pdf

At even at lockdown, the number in China still shot up to 80,000+. It has taken about 6 weeks for them for this to drop to now 150+ cases increase a day.

With no containment and only advising people to wash hands, which let's face it, I think this will get through to less than half the people, 10% at best. Now think of the number of infections and death without containment.

I would think there is a realistic possibility that we will hit 100,000 infected by Easter continuing the way we are, "business as usual" tactic.

This is just a guess going by China's numbers, numbers with a lockdown in place.
 
While I still think it is all media hype but I'll tell you what isn't helping the situation much; people spitting everywhere. People were still doing that when I popped into the town yesterday morning, including one guy who hacked up a huge globule of sputum right in front of me. I felt like lifting the nearest manhole cover off and throwing him into the drainage hole.

Anyway, never mind about the virus, I think we should be more concerned about trench foot the way our weather is carrying on (had an inch and a half of rain yesterday here at Kent).
 
Ian D J said:
While I still think it is all media hype but I'll tell you what isn't helping the situation much; people spitting everywhere. People were still doing that when I popped into the town yesterday morning, including one guy who hacked up a huge globule of sputum right in front of me. I felt like lifting the nearest manhole cover off and throwing him into the drainage hole.

Anyway, never mind about the virus, I think we should be more concerned about trench foot the way our weather is carrying on (had an inch and a half of rain yesterday here at Kent).
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Well, they haven’t been told to stop spitting, it’s not in any advice I‘ve seen :(. I posted about the rise of spitting recently but maybe not this thread.

i don’t agree your point about ”media hype”, you don’t even say what you mean is “hype”. :)
 
Raymond Lin said:
We are at 115 cases (Yesterday)
On January 23 when China locked down Wuhan was at 571.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...ation-reports/20200123-sitrep-3-2019-ncov.pdf

At even at lockdown, the number in China still shot up to 80,000+. It has taken about 6 weeks for them for this to drop to now 150+ cases increase a day.

With no containment and only advising people to wash hands, which let's face it, I think this will get through to less than half the people, 10% at best. Now think of the number of infections and death without containment.

I would think there is a realistic possibility that we will hit 100,000 infected by Easter continuing the way we are, "business as usual" tactic.

This is just a guess going by China's numbers, numbers with a lockdown in place.
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https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Have a look at the graph at the BRH side. The rate of China's infection increase has very much decreased since the lockdown and the recovery rate continues to steadily rise. Looks to me like China now has a good grasp of the problem.
 
sphexx said:
Sadly, almost the reverse is true ;).
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Ahhhhhhhh............all the voters are less intellectual than you; exactly why Labour and their steadfast voters have learnt anything from the pasting they got.

I think everybody has agreed the Government are handling the situation extremely well.
 
arclight said:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Have a look at the graph at the BRH side. The rate of China's infection increase has very much decreased since the lockdown and the recovery rate continues to steadily rise. Looks to me like China now has a good grasp of the problem.
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17 cases of infection outside Hubei Province today. 16 of them from foreign visitors!

They have got it under control now, it is the rest of the world that hasn't. Scary that 6 weeks on, it is technically safer inside China than it is outside China.
 
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DK602 said:
Ahhhhhhhh............all the voters are less intellectual than you; exactly why Labour and their steadfast voters have learnt anything from the pasting they got.

I think everybody has agreed the Government are handling the situation extremely well.
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Any chance you could just comment, without either blaming labour or saying how brilliant the Tories are?


Might come as a shock to you, but to be honest you just come across as a bit of a pillock.
 
DK602 said:
Ahhhhhhhh............all the voters are less intellectual than you; exactly why Labour and their steadfast voters have learnt anything from the pasting they got.

I think everybody has agreed the Government are handling the situation extremely well.
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Government's tactics is delay...hoping for warm weather to save the day.

China went FULL lock down and now they are almost at double digits infection for the day INSIDE Hubei province.

Now look at the numbers, China went full lock down when the infection was at 500+, and it went up to 80,000 with a full lock down.

The UK is now at 165 today...a rise of like 50% compared to yesterday. The plan is business as usual, not even a plan to cancel group gathering. See the problem here?

Infection of 500 with full lock down reaches 80,000 infection.

Infection of 165 today, business as usual....and they are planning for an 80% country wide infection.

Seriously, it is safer inside China right now.

China is on course to pretty much got rid of it inside their country by Easter, about 4 months period.

The UK is going to have this bug for at least a year, or longer, at least until a vaccine is widely available. In Italy, their percentage of patients in ICU is 10%. Although people can argue the mortality rate to death, 1%, 2%, 3.4% or whatever, the fact that 1 in 10 people infected will be in ICU is going to cripple the NHS and we are not capable to build 2 specialised hospitals with 1000 and 1600 beds inside 2 weeks. We also don't have the doctors to fill these hospitals either.
 
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DK602 said:
Ahhhhhhhh............all the voters are less intellectual than you; exactly why Labour and their steadfast voters have learnt anything from the pasting they got.

I think everybody has agreed the Government are handling the situation extremely well.
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I don’t know why you think I’m a Labour voter :(. The government is a shower and mostly liars. Matt Hancock has just said they are in talks with the supermarkets to ensure food supplies but so far every supermarket has denied that. Most of the decent tories who put country above self and party have gone and the current lot take their cue from the Bozo who cares only for himself .... oh, and elephants apparently, so there is that :).
 
sphexx said:
oh, and elephants apparently, so there is that :).
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I didn't know that Boris Johnson was an elephant! I wonder where he's packed his trunk? :thinking: :naughty:
 
DK602 said:
Ahhhhhhhh............all the voters are less intellectual than you; exactly why Labour and their steadfast voters have learnt anything from the pasting they got.

I think everybody has agreed the Government are handling the situation extremely well.
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Not everybody, I don't agree
 
@sphexx - like I said Borris won the election with a huge majority so your negative views are a minority. It's a real shame you are so pessimistic.

@Raymond Lin - watch last night's question time where everyone on the panel agreed that the Government were doing a good job and strictly following the advice of experts and thankfully not your views.

It even mentioned 'mas gatherings' and how pointless it was to cancel them.
 
DK602 said:
@sphexx - like I said Borris won the election with a huge majority so your negative views are a minority. It's a real shame you are so pessimistic.

@Raymond Lin - watch last night's question time where everyone on the panel agreed that the Government were doing a good job and strictly following the advice of experts and thankfully not your views.

It even mentioned 'mas gatherings' and how pointless it was to cancel them.
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"Everyone's views" = Opinion.

WHO numbers on infection rates = Fact.

Yes, even our experts' opinion is still an opinion. Chinese experts clearly had a different opinion hence they went full lockdown.

Now, one set of opinions has been proven right that it worked in 6 weeks. Are you confident that the Experts in the UK's opinion will do the same in 6 weeks?
 
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DK602 said:
@sphexx - like I said Borris won the election with a huge majority so your negative views are a minority. It's a real shame you are so pessimistic.

@Raymond Lin - watch last night's question time where everyone on the panel agreed that the Government were doing a good job and strictly following the advice of experts and thankfully not your views.

It even mentioned 'mas gatherings' and how pointless it was to cancel them.
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I’m not sure I can be bothered to correct you ... but here goes. The Conservatives and DUP (hard Brexit) got 44% of vote the others (at least anti hard Brexit to varying degrees) therefore got 66% of the voting so on your basis I am massively in the majority and you are pitifully in the minority :).

Our stupid electoral system produces stupid results — note I am not saying either side are stupid.

Edit: see correction post #801
 
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That's it. I've lived here for many years with no thoughts of leaving
and now this :(

A patient on a ward at Milton Keynes Hospital has died of what is believed to be coronavirus

I live less than 5 miles away from the hospital... danger zone!
Time to pack up all my bog rolls and tins of beans and ship out I think...

NOT!
 
@sphexx - the Country is split into areas because these areas have different issues then the candidate who gets the most votes in that area gets elected - sounds the best system to me :-)

@Raymond Lin - so the Government shouldn't follow the advice of experts and should listen to you and your panick about a flu bug?
 
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