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So, there was a scuffle, and Michael Adebolajo,seemed to have lost two front teeth.
( one of Lee Rigby's killers)
And now seems to think that he can sue HMG for 20k.
Discussion on the radio provided 2 lines of thought, basically WTF!
Or without law we are nothing. Law should be adhered to at all times, by prisoners and prison staff, and that includes compensation claims.



http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...prison-service-after-having-teeth-knocked-out


Not to make too light of it, I remember this as a kid ;)
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI02_UJ1C6I
 
As I understand it from the commentators on LBC this morning;

- the prison guards involved were suspended following the incident for about six weeks
- an investigation both internal and the police was held and found no foul play.
- the prison officers were reinstated with no blemish on their record and no blame.
- the murderer resisted being moved from his cell and put up a significant struggle.

A qc came on and thought that there is no chance this even get as far as a court, and that the case wouldn't pass the threshold for legal aid either.
 
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dejongj said:
and that the case wouldn't pass the threshold for legal aid either.
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There was a legal eagle on R2 this morning saying the same thing.
I do hope so, but of course you never know, someone may fund him, or take it as a no win no fee case, just to make a name for their selves!

dejongj said:
the murderer resisted being moved from his cell and out up a significant struggle.
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A prison guard also commented that when ever they open his cell door, there are at least 5 officers present as he always creates a ruckus
 
dejongj said:
As I understand it from the commentators on LBC this morning;

- the prison guards involved were suspended following the incident for about six weeks
- an investigation both internal and the police was held and found no foul play.
- the prison officers were reinstated with no blemish on their record and no blame.
- the murderer resisted being moved from his cell and out up a significant struggle.

A qc came on and thought that there is no chance this even get as far as a court, and that the case wouldn't pass the threshold for legal aid either.
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Here's hoping.
The only thing I would say is if he finds some do-gooder pro bono lawyer and it goes the civil route, it'll get heard in court regardless :(
 
Human rights should be protected for those that choose to behave like humans. Hopefully karma is only getting warmed up with this one
 
Cobra said:
I agree, unfortunately its not the case :(
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I'm never sure whether to admire those that rise above it and defend absolutely everyone's rights, or think they're soft and naive. I can't forgive horrible people and never want to but I can see the argument for it
 
BruceMo said:
I'm never sure whether to admire those that rise above it and defend absolutely everyone's rights, or think they're soft and naive. I can't forgive horrible people and never want to but I can see the argument for it
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I can see, and will stick up for everybody's rights to be treated humanely and insure those basic rights are upheld. However suing because you've behaved like a cock and suffered for it is taking the p***
 
boyfalldown said:
He is taking the p***
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And that's putting it mildly,
There was also a comment this morning that he refused medical treatment after the incident.
Now I'm not a dentist, ( is there a dentist in the house?) but I thought I heard once that knocked out teeth can be re-inserted if done quick enough.
If this is the case then it was certainly a calculated action on his part, to refuse at the time.
 
Him thinking he can sue the Ministry of Justice for 20k and him actually succeeding are two quite different things. I estimate his chances of success as nil.

viv1969 said:
The only thing I would say is if he finds some do-gooder pro bono lawyer and it goes the civil route, it'll get heard in court regardless :(
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If he's sueing for compensation, which is what the reporting suggests, then it's always going to be civil. It's not a criminal prosecution, the police have already investigated and decided on no case to answer.

Civil litigation can be struck out before trial if the court considers the claimant to have no real chance of success.
 
Cobra said:
It the way the law works here.

However I am still with you on
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To qualify for human rights you simple need to be human, it's a catch all kinda situation. I know it sucks but it wouldn't be human rights otherwise.
 
Cobra said:
And that's putting it mildly,
There was also a comment this morning that he refused medical treatment after the incident.
Now I'm not a dentist, ( is there a dentist in the house?) but I thought I heard once that knocked out teeth can be re-inserted if done quick enough.
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Correct (from personal experience rather than expertise). My brother had his two front teeth knocked out ice-skating - they were hanging loose, attached only by the nerve. He shoved them back in, got to a dentist (quite a while later - well over an hour) and ultimately the teeth were saved. A little discolouration and he lost all sensitivity (no problem biting ice lollies for him) but they're still in his gums 20 years later.
 
If we call it 50k, can someone knock a few more out? :)
 
This is the problem in this country, you have people in prison for doing unspeakable things with total disregard to their victims human rights. Then they spend their time wasting our time and money, I personally think that if you are in prison and sue for what ever reason that all the money you get in compensation should go directly to your victims. Maybe just maybe it would put a stop to some or all of these ludicrous compensation claims and also free up the courts to deal with more important issues.
 
jakeblu said:
To qualify for human rights you simple need to be human, it's a catch all kinda situation. I know it sucks but it wouldn't be human rights otherwise.
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I trust he is going to provide a DNA sample to prove that he is? going on his actions alone don't qualify him ;)

tarric said:
I personally think that if you are in prison and sue for what ever reason that all the money you get in compensation should go directly to your victims.
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That was also a suggestion raised on the phone in and proved to be a popular solution, should this ever move forward .
 
All he's doing is seeking attention. He did it at the time of the killing and he's at it again. Ignore him and don't give him the newspaper headlines or publicity.
 
Even if the chances of compo are nil, and I hope they are, this whole fiasco will have cost the tax payer quite a bit already and will no doubt cost more and then there's the stress and worry caused to the prison staff involved and their families. I've thought for a long time that the legal teams bringing cases with little chance of success should pay all costs involved. I don't know if this happens already but I'd be surprised if it does, I think that if a few compo lawyers get stung for six figure costs we'll see less speculative and ridiculous compo claims for people who shouldn't be compensated but prosecuted.
 
Ah, a justice tax. Great idea -wouldn't want the plebs thinking life was fair. ;)
 
Llamaman said:
Ah, a justice tax. Great idea -wouldn't want the plebs thinking life was fair. ;)
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What's a justice tax?

And just in case you posted in response to my post... I'll explain a little... There are people and legal representatives with no morals who aren't in the justice business but the grab as much money as I can business.

My own experience of this is admittedly rather limited but in a past role I was involved with several claims against my employer and the resultant investigation all of which, and that's worth saying again... all of which were chancers looking to make money or people who'd injured themselves through a mix of negligence and stupidity rather than people who'd suffered a genuine injury through the lack of care of others and thus deserved compensating. I saw the upset his caused to supervisors and managers whilst the investigations and legal processes trundled on, it's not a nice thing to go through especially when the claim is baseless.

I could give examples not only of gross misconduct or negligence and even worse of outright lying motivated by the belief that the compo will flow, but, I wont :D Even when these cases were thrown out or dropped when the claimant was proved to have been grossly negligent or dishonest there was never any compensation to the company or to staff who suffered real stress during the process. IMO in many cases there should be.

Still, what's a little stress and anxiety to staff and a little cost to the taxpayer when there's money to be made from frivolous self serving legal actions?
 
Making people pay = justice tax. Don't worry, the Tories are way ahead of you, and it'll now cost you a grand to bring a case to an industrial tribunal.

But who's to be the judge of what's frivolous or not? Are courts not the best place to resolve claims? Who should decide which cases are of merit? The government? No thanks.

Our legal system is globally respected (and copied) - I'd rather not consign it to the bin because of a few ambulance chasers.
Reforming the way courts consider negligence could curtail many of these claims, without needing to deny those of limited means access to legal redress.
 
neil_g said:
here are far too many people getting worked up about this.

IF his claim gets approved then I'll start getting annoyed
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Yeah but it might come to nowt, and we would have missed an opportunity for another OoF rant / outrage thread :thumbs:
:D
 
Cobra said:
A prison guard also commented that when ever they open his cell door, there are at least 5 officers present as he always creates a ruckus
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Simple answer - keep it shut, for ever!
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tarric said:
This is the problem in this country, you have people in prison for doing unspeakable things with total disregard to their victims human rights. Then they spend their time wasting our time and money, I personally think that if you are in prison and sue for what ever reason that all the money you get in compensation should go directly to your victims. Maybe just maybe it would put a stop to some or all of these ludicrous compensation claims and also free up the courts to deal with more important issues.
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LOL. "Hey joe lets go and beat that guy who killed Lee Rigby and get his family some compo".
 
Hope they shouted Alan Snackbar or whatever as they chucked him down the stairs...
 
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