The olympic events thread

A fine morning. Gold for the girls. Bronze for the Mens eight. But best of all Eight Badminton players slung out for not trying.
That's a real result.:clap::clap:
 
Ragwort said:
A fine morning. Gold for the girls. Bronze for the Mens eight. But best of all Eight Badminton players slung out for not trying.
That's a real result.:clap::clap:
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Yep, quite pleased about that too [and strangely saddened], I don't care that they didn't technically break any rules, its sporting misconduct of the highest order.
 
Ragwort said:
But best of all Eight Badminton players slung out for not trying.
That's a real result.:clap::clap:
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I see that three pairs have already launched an appeal, however the Korean coach is going to need a better defence than his original "the Chinese started it" :D
 
TheBigYin said:
And another Gold - WigooooooOOOOO!!!
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Don't forget bronze for Froome either. What these boys are doing for British cycling is quite remarkable!
 
Incredible silver for Jamieson in the 200m breaststroke. With 10 more meters he might even have pulled ahead! I don't think anyone saw that result coming.
 
Big result for GB against Uruguay in the football. A well deserved win and frankly a deserved knockout for Uruguay. They've been dismal throughout.
 
TriggerHappy said:
The laziness of the other nations in the peloton really condemned the whole chase to fail which is a great shame. Big congratulations to Kazakhstan and Vinokourov for a great win!
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Kazakhstan and Vinokourov were not affected by the "laziness" of other teams. It's the olympics and YOU have to go out and win it, not rely on some other country to help you out. At the end of the day the GB team made a complete hash of their tactics, they had one plan and no ability to change that plan as events unfolded. To blame other teams is just ridiculous.
 
acetone said:
Kazakhstan and Vinokourov were not affected by the "laziness" of other teams. It's the olympics and YOU have to go out and win it, not rely on some other country to help you out. At the end of the day the GB team made a complete hash of their tactics, they had one plan and no ability to change that plan as events unfolded. To blame other teams is just ridiculous.
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How about you read what I said and respond to that rather than respond to what you want me to have said so you could pick an argument?

I didn't say that the other teams were responsible for GB losing, I said they were responsible for the peloton being unable to close the gap to the lead group, which is entirely correct. No 5 man team (4 effectively since Cav should never have been on the front) are ever going to be strong enough to sustain the pace that was required to close the gap. Had more teams committed riders to take turns on the front the overall pace of the peloton would have been higher and there would have been a greater chance of the groups coming together. What would have happened next, we'll never know, but the reliance of the rest of the peloton - barring a couple of very late attempts by 2 German riders, which did in fact lift the pace as you'd expect - on GB to pull the groups together in the hope that they would do the work but then be too tired to deliver an effective lead out for Cav is what resulted in the peloton being stranded from the lead and ultimately shot big names in sprinting like Greipal in the foot.

Saying that doesn't take anything away from Vinokourov and the other racers on the podium and in that lead group, who all rode a great race.
 
It was Cav who blames Australia

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ia-as-british-olympic-medal-chase-stalls.html

The lead group should never had been allowed to get away in the first place, everyone knew well before the race started that others were not going to help GB get Cav to a sprint finish, did other teams help themselves, no definitely not.

So GB had 3 choices
1) ensure that no group got away ( difficult)
2) understand they were always going to have to set the chase if a group got away and they want a Cav win
3) allow/help Froom, Wiggins, Stannard or Miller to go for a win in a longer run to the finish.

After watching the tour de france, I'm darn sure Froom would have had an excellent chance of gold, if they had not committed the team to the one aim of a Cav sprint finish..
 
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its all gobbledy gook to me.... instead of arguing, can someone explain what the peloton is/does? My guess is its a group that stay together, swapping the lead so that only one person has to 'break the air' so the others can slip stream making the job easier, but..... yeah, you got it, my and cycling have never been on close terms since the day I passed my driving test :bonk:


As for the other events, excellent result in the pool last night, unexpected medals are always the best. I know they shouldn't be any better, herculean efforts over the years by guys like Hoy, Wiggins and Redgrave, etc are astounding but those really unexpected results are the ones that bring a lump to the throat :D
 
Yv said:
its all gobbledy gook to me.... instead of arguing, can someone explain what the peloton is/does? My guess is its a group that stay together, swapping the lead so that only one person has to 'break the air' so the others can slip stream making the job easier, but..... yeah, you got it, my and cycling have never been on close terms since the day I passed my driving test :bonk:


As for the other events, excellent result in the pool last night, unexpected medals are always the best. I know they shouldn't be any better, herculean efforts over the years by guys like Hoy, Wiggins and Redgrave, etc are astounding but those really unexpected results are the ones that bring a lump to the throat :D
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I'm done arguing about nothing :)

The peloton is the name given to the main group of riders in a race. It's usual for various break-away attempts to go off the front of the peloton during a race (usually only from lesser riders, it's rare that the top riders would be allowed to gain that advantage without a more concerted effort to chase them down) but it's very rare for them to stay in the lead because of the benefits of cycling in a large group, which are, as you say, the increased aerodynamic efficiency of travelling close together. Most of the riders remain sheltered, cycling at maybe 60-70% of maximum effort whilst the guy on the front is going at 100%. In the most serious of pursuits riders might not spend more than 15 seconds on the front because of how energy sapping it becomes.
 
TriggerHappy said:
I'm done arguing about nothing :)

The peloton is the name given to the main group of riders in a race. It's usual for various break-away attempts to go off the front of the peloton during a race (usually only from lesser riders, it's rare that the top riders would be allowed to gain that advantage without a more concerted effort to chase them down) but it's very rare for them to stay in the lead because of the benefits of cycling in a large group, which are, as you say, the increased aerodynamic efficiency of travelling close together. Most of the riders remain sheltered, cycling at maybe 60-70% of maximum effort whilst the guy on the front is going at 100%. In the most serious of pursuits riders might not spend more than 15 seconds on the front because of how energy sapping it becomes.
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A lot of people cant comprehend how much energy you can save by cycling directly in someone else's slipstream (drafting) This video is a good demonstration of the benefits, notice how the guy isn't even pedalling for a lot of the time. It's also a good demonstration of what not to do on a bike!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnYp4srEooI&feature=related
 
GEMMA GIBBONS!!!!!

Golden point Ippon to win her semi final and guarantee a medal! Great performance!
 
TriggerHappy said:
I'm done arguing about nothing :)

The peloton is the name given to the main group of riders in a race. It's usual for various break-away attempts to go off the front of the peloton during a race (usually only from lesser riders, it's rare that the top riders would be allowed to gain that advantage without a more concerted effort to chase them down) but it's very rare for them to stay in the lead because of the benefits of cycling in a large group, which are, as you say, the increased aerodynamic efficiency of travelling close together. Most of the riders remain sheltered, cycling at maybe 60-70% of maximum effort whilst the guy on the front is going at 100%. In the most serious of pursuits riders might not spend more than 15 seconds on the front because of how energy sapping it becomes.
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:thumbs: Thankyou! As a motorsport fan, I could guess at the aerodymics thing, same theories apply, but thanks for the explaination of what a peloton is, always confuddled me a but....lovely word though! :lol:



As for the Judo... GO GIRL!!! :woot: Spent many an hour sitting by karate mats watching our kids do their thing at british tournaments and had bitten nails, so lord only knows how her friends/family in the arena were feeling for that semi or worse, will be in the final. :eek:
 
Yv said:
Crikey, the busses have rolled out of the depot again, Golds in shooting & canoeing, with a silver double header there... :woot:
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That was impressive....didn't know which event to watch :lol::clap::clap:
 
Did anyone see the British women disqualified in the cycling? I have a question...

The Brits came 8th, effectively removed from the event completely.

If they'd won the race they'd of been in the Gold/ Silver race & a loss would of put them in the bronze/ 4th place race.

So, how did the Chinese still get silver (equivalent of just losing their race) when they committed the same offence?
 
H2O said:
Did anyone see the British women disqualified in the cycling? I have a question...

The Brits came 8th, effectively removed from the event completely.

If they'd won the race they'd of been in the Gold/ Silver race & a loss would of put them in the bronze/ 4th place race.

So, how did the Chinese still get silver (equivalent of just losing their race) when they committed the same offence?
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both teams were relegated, as china were in the gold/silver race the lowest they could go is silver. as gb were still in the main "pool" as it were they were taken down to 8th.
 
neil_g said:
both teams were relegated, as china were in the gold/silver race the lowest they could go is silver. as gb were still in the main "pool" as it were they were taken down to 8th.
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How is the last 4 the main pool though.

A simple loss in that race would've put them in the race for bronze wouldn't it?

If so their penalty was more than just a loss of the race whereas the penalty for the Chinese was exactly that.

Doesn't seem like an equal & fair penalty if that's the case.
 
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H2O said:
How is the last 4 the main pool though.

A simple loss in that race would've put them in the race for bronze wouldn't it?

If so their penalty was more than just a loss of the race whereas the penalty for the Chinese was exactly that.
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dems da rules apparently..

to me if they were in the last 4 and got relegated then they wouldnt have gotten a medal anyway so why not give that opertunity to someone who got there without breaking the rules?
 
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Why no medal?

China lost their time but got the reward for second in that race.

The exact same penalty for the Brits should have allowed them to actually race for bronze as that was the reward for second in the race the penalty was applied to.

As it is it's inconsistent. I hate inconsistent rules.
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if they were down to the last 4 and got relegated because of a rule breach that would at best make them 4th anyway. but they didnt actually get to the bronze race though, did they
 
That's not answering my post :/

They got to a semi-final. A race to decide who goes into the gold race and who goes into the bronze race.

So they got to the last 4 on merit before breaking any rules but were placed 8th.

The Chinese broke the rules in the last 2 & got 2nd.

Their penalty only negated their fault time whereas the Brits penalty negated not only the fault time but the previous good times as well.


That is NOT the same penalty.
 
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well listening to the commentators earlier (i think it was chris boardman who was asked why it happened that way) and he said what i said earlier about the chinese were in the 1st/2nd race and gb being in the main pool still.

:shrug:
 
neil_g said:
well listening to the commentators earlier (i think it was chris boardman who was asked why it happened that way) and he said what i said earlier about the chinese were in the 1st/2nd race and gb being in the main pool still.

:shrug:
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I missed that bit. I expect that was when I went off to find someone to complain at about the inconsistent rules. :p

It's probably as you say it just doesn't seem a balanced punishment for the reasons I've given.

When they first mentioned the Chinese fault I was expecting bronze to be upgraded to silver, 4th up to bronze, & the Chinese down to 7th/ joint 8th.
 
Yeah. :(

At least the men cheered us up by breaking the world record twice & getting gold. :)
 
I may have misheard...but it sounded like Philip Hindes said he "fell off" because he realised he'd made a bad start, & wanted a restart! :suspect:

I hope he was not entirely understanding the questions.
 
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