The Official Fuji X10/X20/X30/XF1/XQ1 Thread

[souldeep]

There are two sides to this, Souldeep. The X-Trans sensor delivers excellent images, as I'm sure the X20 will. It (the X20) will also have (if we may believe what Fuji have been saying lately) much better RAW support. But then again, the X10 does have a unique IQ...

I guess time will tell. We're all very much interested, I'm sure.

Sorry Rob - I meant to say XTRANS sensors not X series!

Yes on RAW support but with the X10 JPG's being good enough not to need to worry about time spent on RAW PP then you have a good argument for a great compact output.

 

[robenroute]

Sorry Rob - I meant to say XTRANS sensors not X series!

Yes on RAW support but with the X10 JPG's being good enough not to need to worry about time spent on RAW PP then you have a good argument for a great compact output.

Fully agree. After a full year with my X10, I'm still impressed with its output. I'm not so sure the X10 will achieve some kind of cult status. At least, not based on its IQ, I reckon. Technology moves fast, and the megapixel race has slowed down, luckily. I'm glad manufacturers are paying more attention to the human-camera interface. For me, that was the number 1 reason to get the X10. From the very first moment I held it, me and my hands/fingers felt right at home: OVF, manual zoom, build quality. I'm still smitten , but at the same time, I can't wait to see the first proper field reports concerning the X20. And in the mean time, I'm gladly snapping away with my beloved X10

 

[petercastleton]

here's that last picture from my X10 before it was squashed between me and the ground when I fell over, looks like a write off and my hip is a fairly impressive array of blacks, blues, reds and purples, that's the trouble with a carry everywhere camera, sooner or later it's going to get bashed about (well in my case anyway)


last ever picture with Fuji X10 by petercastleton, on Flickr

 

[robenroute]

here's that last picture from my X10 before it was squashed between me and the ground when I fell over, looks like a write off and my hip is a fairly impressive array of blacks, blues, reds and purples, that's the trouble with a carry everywhere camera, sooner or later it's going to get bashed about (well in my case anyway)


last ever picture with Fuji X10 by petercastleton, on Flickr

Hope you're not suffering too much... By the way, interesting shot. I can't get my head around it; looks like the internal settings for highlights were on steroids .

The people in the shot seem to be exposed okay, but the rest is rather blown away. How did you do this? PP?

 

[petercastleton]

Rob,

it's a RAW file manipulated in LR4 with a preset then applied called punch. Just heard back from Fuji today, £105 to repair the camera so looks like it lives again. Can't help thinking any other compact would have bitten the dust in the circumstances. That body not only feels tough, I can vouch that it is and it can cause a spectacular bruise to your hip!

http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.ph...86608441.62275.100002501063117&type=1&theater

 

[Nod]

Is that Farcebook link to a photo of the bruise? Not all of us have accounts (or if we do can remember their passwords!) so could you perhaps post the pic here rather than a link?

 

[robenroute]

Rob,

it's a RAW file manipulated in LR4 with a preset then applied called punch. Just heard back from Fuji today, £105 to repair the camera so looks like it lives again. Can't help thinking any other compact would have bitten the dust in the circumstances. That body not only feels tough, I can vouch that it is and it can cause a spectacular bruise to your hip!

http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.ph...86608441.62275.100002501063117&type=1&theater

Stone the crows! That is a major piece of art

Glad to hear the X10 hasn't died. Hope you'll get it back soon. Take care, Peter.

 

[robenroute]

Is that Farcebook link to a photo of the bruise? Not all of us have accounts (or if we do can remember their passwords!) so could you perhaps post the pic here rather than a link?

:nuts:

 

[happygolucky]

here's that last picture from my X10 before it was squashed between me and the ground when I fell over, looks like a write off and my hip is a fairly impressive array of blacks, blues, reds and purples, that's the trouble with a carry everywhere camera, sooner or later it's going to get bashed about (well in my case anyway)


last ever picture with Fuji X10 by petercastleton, on Flickr

Maybe the ISO speed (800) was a tad too fast?

Good news your X10 is salvageable and I wish you a speedy recovery..
Had a few slips myself recently, but (touch wood) I haven't fallen over.
Now I'll probably break a leg saying that.

 

[petercastleton]

Nod,

didn't want to post pic of my hip in Flickr stream. Just to please you I'll try and do it via photobucket and shock you all here.

Andrew,

yes, you are right, ISO is way too fast, I know I had it set to that but thought it was a setting that maxxed ISO out at that point in auto type modes. That shot was is aperture priority I think so I guess it just picks up that ISO setting, you live and learn.

 

[petercastleton]

How I suffer for my photography. You asked to see it Nod! Sorry can't seem to make picture smaller.

25/1//13 Took photo down as it shows huge on this thread.

 

[Chipper]

Ouch! You must love your X-10..... get some arnica for that bruise. {from Boots - Arnica 30}.... Linda

 

[kernowbhoy]

I was hoping to see a Turin Shroud type of effect or a Jackson Pollack !

 

[Nod]

Ouch!

Peter, there's a user gallery here on the forum which would be more private (and it's far easier to upload to and link to than Flickr!). There's an option there to set the pictures as containing "adult content" which restricts viewing to members only.

I'll second Linda's recommendation for Arnica - if you look at my gallery, you'll see a couple of my face and forehead shortly after it was peeled down - Arnica helped reduce the bruising and swelling. (Look here but I warn you, it's not pretty!!!

 

[robenroute]

Ouch!

Peter, there's a user gallery here on the forum which would be more private (and it's far easier to upload to and link to than Flickr!). There's an option there to set the pictures as containing "adult content" which restricts viewing to members only.

I'll second Linda's recommendation for Arnica - if you look at my gallery, you'll see a couple of my face and forehead shortly after it was peeled down - Arnica helped reduce the bruising and swelling. (Look here but I warn you, it's not pretty!!!

Gordon Bennett! I should have heeded your warning. Not pretty, indeed. I don't know why I looked (must be my curiosity ).

 

[Piscator Pete]

Peter's colourful display of his bruising makes me wonder whether 'auto' WB was used with whatever recording camera, but suspect his mind has been on other more personal questionable balance lately! Hope you and the camera are soon reunited Peter, each in good working condition.

My recent obsession with shots ‘into sun’ (which Duncan and Martyn must regret telling me how to do!) together with enforced interest in snow scenes, came together yesterday when I ventured yet again into ‘Duncan territory’ on the Mendips. It was a different world up there, with little sign of the thaw that we were experiencing only a few hundred feet below.

I had to smile at my temerity in posting these ‘blue photos’, especially after my recent quest for ‘naturalness’ in the reproduction of the colour of snow from my X10. In the shot that follows, no amount of tweaking with the camera's exposure and WB settings could simultaneously be right for the sun, and also record the ‘proper’ colour of the resultant underexposed snow. Terry’s ‘layers’, and Martyn’s advice to me on their use, would be the only answer, I think. Anyway, tongue in cheek, on the basis of Dave’s “If it looks right…”:


DSCF2794 by wylyeangler, on Flickr

The dog walker disappearing along the track in the photo above, would have made it so much more interesting if I had set up the camera to record his sudden emergence from the right – only one of the bracketed exposures produced anything at all: another golden opportunity lost!

Walking back along Nine Barrows Lane, with the odd ice-patterned puddle betraying freezing conditions, Priddy church was taking the last of the sun; it sits over what I believe to be the most extensive known cave system on Mendip, Swildon’s Hole:


DSCF2811 by wylyeangler, on Flickr

Having heard reference to the village of Priddy from Duncan and me on several occasions, I thought this short account might be of interest:

http://www.aboutbritain.com/towns/priddy.asp



The slope back up to the car was getting decidedly icy:


DSCF2820 by wylyeangler, on Flickr

My apologies for yet more shots of snow (not much choice in a landscape) soon to disappear, but fewer for the inclusion of the sun, an object so rarely seen in recent months, I feel its appearance should be celebrated as often as possible!

Pete

 

[robenroute]

Peter's colourful display of his bruising makes me wonder whether 'auto' WB was used with whatever recording camera, but suspect his mind has been on other more personal questionable balance lately! Hope you and the camera are soon reunited Peter, each in good working condition.

My recent obsession with shots ‘into sun’ (which Duncan and Martyn must regret telling me how to do!) together with enforced interest in snow scenes, came together yesterday when I ventured yet again into ‘Duncan territory’ on the Mendips. It was a different world up there, with little sign of the thaw that we were experiencing only a few hundred feet below.

I had to smile at my temerity in posting these ‘blue photos’, especially after my recent quest for ‘naturalness’ in the reproduction of the colour of snow from my X10. In the shot that follows, no amount of tweaking with the camera's exposure and WB settings could simultaneously be right for the sun, and also record the ‘proper’ colour of the resultant underexposed snow. Terry’s ‘layers’, and Martyn’s advice to me on their use, would be the only answer, I think. Anyway, tongue in cheek, on the basis of Dave’s “If it looks right…”:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/compleat-tangler/8413054833/

The dog walker disappearing along the track in the photo above, would have made it so much more interesting if I had set up the camera to record his sudden emergence from the right – only one of the bracketed exposures produced anything at all: another golden opportunity lost!

Walking back along Nine Barrows Lane, with the odd ice-patterned puddle betraying freezing conditions, Priddy church was taking the last of the sun; it sits over what I believe to be the most extensive known cave system on Mendip, Swildon’s Hole:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/compleat-tangler/8414154756/

Having heard reference to the village of Priddy from Duncan and me on several occasions, I thought this short account might be of interest:

http://www.aboutbritain.com/towns/priddy.asp



The slope back up to the car was getting decidedly icy:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/compleat-tangler/8413058623/
My apologies for yet more shots of snow (not much choice in a landscape) soon to disappear, but fewer for the inclusion of the sun, an object so rarely seen in recent months, I feel its appearance should be celebrated as often as possible!

Pete

Splendid shots, Pete. They all present an atmosphere of blueish cold and yellowish warmth. Enjoyed those! Thanks.

 

[Ed Sutton]

Lovely snow scenes Pete. I particularly like the first one.

Regarding the blue. If you look closely at snow in bright light the shadows are bluer than you imagine. The orange light from the low sun enhances the blueness (complimentary colours) and makes the scene vibrant.

 

[petercastleton]

Good snow scenes Pete, particularly like the starburst sun in the last image with my eye led to that point by the track.

 

[Piscator Pete]

Lovely snow scenes Pete. I particularly like the first one.

Regarding the blue. If you look closely at snow in bright light the shadows are bluer than you imagine. The orange light from the low sun enhances the blueness (complimentary colours) and makes the scene vibrant.

Many thanks Dave.

Yes, of course you are right - in bright sunshine, the bluish tinge emphasises deep shadow and is suggestive of the cold. My previous concern was mostly with how snow scenes are represented in an overcast. Couldn't help having a chuckle that my latest contribution might be perceived as a volt-face, but you saw through that!

Pete

 

[Piscator Pete]

Splendid shots, Pete. They all present an atmosphere of blueish cold and yellowish warmth. Enjoyed those! Thanks.

How kind of you Rob! It was fun trying to get the atmosphere I wanted, but think I've had enough of snow for now!

Pete

 

[Piscator Pete]

Good snow scenes Pete, particularly like the starburst sun in the last image with my eye led to that point by the track.

Gosh, I hadn't realised there might be a bit of composition in it! Many thanks, and good luck with the repaired X10 when it arrives.

Pete

 

[Ed Sutton]

...how snow scenes are represented in an overcast.

Well, in my experience they come out with a horrible purple hue to the shadows. In fact I've found this purple problem on non-snowy days when it's been grey. I pushed the purple slider in LR to the far left to get rid of it in this one. It was not only overcast, but snowing with a bitter wind blowing at the time. I was doubting my sanity at getting out of the car!


snow ditches by davelumb, on Flickr

 

[Piscator Pete]

Well, in my experience they come out with a horrible purple hue to the shadows. In fact I've found this purple problem on non-snowy days when it's been grey. I pushed the purple slider in LR to the far left to get rid of it in this one. It was not only overcast, but snowing with a bitter wind blowing at the time. I was doubting my sanity at getting out of the car!

Dave, exactly my experience too for most heavily overcast conditions - that's what led me last week to start seriously experimenting with WB. Previously I'd found that the 'shade' setting was satisfactory, but in really low diffused light (snow happened to be about), 'custom' gave the JPEG out of the camera the optimal starting point in LR.

You don't need blue or purple to make that shot look cold!

Pete

 

[Piscator Pete]

Nice to see a little colour back in the countryside today, if a little damp under foot:


DSCF2849 by wylyeangler, on Flickr

Pete

 

[petercastleton]

Pete,

those are very punchy colours, I suspect a little PP?

 

[Piscator Pete]

Pete,

those are very punchy colours, I suspect a little PP?

Agreed Peter - over the top - but I'm enjoying LR as a new toy, and can't resist being heavy-handed with the 'clarity' and 'vibrance' sliders! However, the sky was very vivid in reality with its mixture of cloud types, encouraging me to shoot it.

Pete

 

[robenroute]

...but I'm enjoying LR as a new toy, and can't resist being heavy-handed with the 'clarity' and 'vibrance' sliders!

Pete

Can't remember where I nicked the phrase, but it's a little like "a good story doesn't have to be true!"

Nice one, Pete.

 

[petercastleton]

nothing wrong with punchy PP if it gives the final image you want!

 

[adam*]

Ok guys, going to Bali / Gili Islands in Indonesia for a few weeks in March and thinking about leaving my DLSR behind for the first time and just taking my x10. What do I need to get the most out of the camera? I only use it rarely atm. I have 3 batteries, think i'll get a few more. I've ordered the JJC lens hood and 52 adapter ring. Worth getting a uv filter? Screen protector? Polariser? Thoughts appreciated!

Would this protector be ok?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Neewer-Screen-Protector-Digital-Camera/dp/B004QPULJ0/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1359385100&sr=1-1

Not sure I can resist taking the 5d!

 

[Rhodese]

Hello everyone, blimmy a month away from this place and one feels overwhelmed by all the impressive images and informative banter that been contributed. After seeing such good stuff, and for one who struggles to hold a position to take a picture for any length of time? It all makes me think am I up for it anymore, I bought one of those rollators for this last trip to allow me to sit whenever the need arises. I found that I could use it for street candid’s, pushing the aide whist holding the camera strap, the camera dangling over the front and firing it with a cable release was quite novel, but not cricket. I felt as if I was a thief, a pickpocket, street shots should be taken with the camera to the eye or occasionally from the hip.
As from previous posts, you may have gathered that most of my offerings are not strait out of camera, but more my interpretation of what the shot promised.
The first set are from Barcelona.

Barcelona City centre, there was a double take of a woman slap bang in the middle that had to be removed, there is a remnant of her in amongst the scooters on the left above the double take of the taxis, the taxi double doesn’t bother me much, so I left it in.

Taxi men chewing the fat. Cropped, levels, contrast, dodge and burn.

The Olympic stadium, I was here in 1992 armed with an A1 and a T90. Magic, what joy. Out of camera pan.

A view from Montjuic looking down on the harbour. Cropped pan.

Catalan Dancers, Taken from ground level, guessing at the framing and firing with a cable release. I can’t get down low enough to press the shutter direct. Converted to mono in CS3, cropped, dodged and burned.

A shot taken with the camera slung over the front of my new pram. I feel OK about this being taken in sneaky mode. Do animals have privacy rights?

 

[Rhodese]

We where staying at Tossa de Mar, the following are from walks and sittings around the town.
My first visit to Tossa was 1971, our honeymoon, indeed my first trip abroad, £39 each for a week half board. The old town remains quaint and a delight but the modern building constructed over 40 years has turned a village into a rather large holiday resort. For the better?

Two pans of the beach, I think the flare in the first one adds to the knowing that it’s a low sun.

Two more low angle boat shots, guestemated framing, shutter released using cable. Cropped to correct frame, levels, contrast, dodge and burn.

Tossa old folk. 1- Cropped, levels, contrast. 2- Cropped, converted to mono in CS3, dodge and burn. 3- Same as 2.

 

[Rhodese]

A bit of fun, an abstract created from some Plane Tree shots in late afternoon sun. Cropped, converted to mono in CS3, dodge and burn. Select half of image, copy and paste to create new layer, use transform to flip horizontal, flatten image.

 

[Rhodese]

A selection from a day trip to Gerona. All taken in the old town with the exception of the trees and the coach.

 

[Rhodese]

And last but not least, one taken in Barcelona in sneaky mode. Prossesed in CS3 with a little added film grain.

Enjoy.
Rhodese.

 

[Nod]

Ok guys, going to Bali / Gili Islands in Indonesia for a few weeks in March and thinking about leaving my DLSR behind for the first time and just taking my x10. What do I need to get the most out of the camera? I only use it rarely atm. I have 3 batteries, think i'll get a few more. I've ordered the JJC lens hood and 52 adapter ring. Worth getting a uv filter? Screen protector? Polariser? Thoughts appreciated!

Would this protector be ok?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Neewer-Screen-Protector-Digital-Camera/dp/B004QPULJ0/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1359385100&sr=1-1

Not sure I can resist taking the 5d!

On a first and probably only visit to somewhere special, I'm not sure I could leave my DSLR kit behind! However, we've visited Crete so often over the past 15 years that I think I've taken all the landscapes etc where the DSLR wins out over the Fujis I have, one of the main reasons for getting the Fujis.

My thoughts...
Adapter ring and hood - yes.
UV filter - no. (Unless there's likely to be a lot of wind borne debris and spray around, in which case you may want to tape up the slots in the adapter ring.
Polariser - yes.
Hard to tell about the screen protector but they're all much of a muchness I think and some sort of protection is a good idea.

Just remains to say have a fantastic trip!

 

[adam*]

cheers, it is a once in a lifetime experience but also time off work so don't want to lug cameras everywhere. May decide to just take one lens (24-70 or 50 1.4) on the 5dmk2 and athe x10

 

[Rhodese]

Image 3 in the Gerona set, the one with the shadowy character in the foreground. There’s a bit of a diabolical delusion going on, look at the leg nearest the wall. Now is he walking away from the camera ore towards it?

 

[petercastleton]

Rhodese, interesting set, I like the mono street shots.

Adam, similar dilemma for me of touring Thailand, can I survive with just the X10, could be liberating, could be frustrating.

 

[Lindsay D]

Fully agree. After a full year with my X10, I'm still impressed with its output. I'm not so sure the X10 will achieve some kind of cult status. At least, not based on its IQ, I reckon. Technology moves fast, and the megapixel race has slowed down, luckily. I'm glad manufacturers are paying more attention to the human-camera interface. For me, that was the number 1 reason to get the X10. From the very first moment I held it, me and my hands/fingers felt right at home: OVF, manual zoom, build quality. I'm still smitten , but at the same time, I can't wait to see the first proper field reports concerning the X20. And in the mean time, I'm gladly snapping away with my beloved X10

Rob, thus far there is no indication that the X 20 RAW files will be any more supported than current or impending X Trans cameras, and of course the current level of support is pretty much non-existent. My talks with heads at Fuji revealed that we can expect "some improvement" from Adobe over the coming months, but we can only guess as to what that actually means. There seems to be a belief that X Trans images are "better" than non X Trans images, and I would say that is purely subjective and certainly not something I would agree with. If there is no useful RAW support then this technology is quite limited for some users. Of course the current X 10 has a unique bespoke sensor and the output is different to the output characteristics of X Trans, which is a bit flatter by comparison (and somewhat colder) and not particularly pleasing to my eyes (though others of course may be very happy since it is as I said subjective). For this reason it's unlikely I'll be interested in the X 20. Fuji have a history of making fairly outlandish marketing claims and I will never again be in a hurry to buy a Fuji camera for this reason - giving it three or four months will probably be advisable and will hopefully also show a better price point.