The Official Fuji X10/X20/X30/XF1/XQ1 Thread

Absolutely - I too would love to know why Adobe and others have not been able to come up with workable algorithms for X Trans. Maybe they have for the newer versions of the sensor but we don't know that, and currently there is absolutely no indication that that is the case. My gear write-ups on my blog attract anything from 1500 to 10,000 hits per day and are featured on the major mirrorless sites and blogs and pretty much every forum so hopefully I'll get an audience next week. I can now get most things on loan through one of my suppliers - if my schedule allows it I might just do that - otherwise I will definitely recommend you Duncan.
 
Lindsay D said:
........ I'm fortunate enough to have other cameras which have excellent IQ and vastly better performance. The OMD being a case in point.
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I had a fairly extensive play with an OMD; what a fantastic bit of kit!
A real quality feel, even compared to the solidness of the X10.
I pushed it hard indoor in low light and used with the kit lenses the results were pretty astonishing, even by DSLR standards.
The only thing that puts me off is the price; it's a rival too my existing DSLR rather than a compliment.

The camera's owner sold all his DSLR gear and hasn't yet found anything the OMD won't do that his old gear could do.
And - the camera case that used to just hold the DSLR body with attached walkabout zoom lens now holds the body, both kit lenses, all accessories and his lunch!
He is a very happy bunny.
 
Yes, the OMD can work out pricey, but you get an amazing array of features and outstanding performance, plus some really fun things like the flip out screen which you can frame your shot in and then touch where you want the autofocus to be, also tripping the shutter. Given how quiet it is, this can be a lot of fun. It is limited however by poor continuous focus tracking, as are all mirrorless systems currently, but I think that might change this year. But other than that, I honestly can't find fault with it.

Apologies for going slightly off topic but I tested it alongside my 5D MkIII in a situation I'm commonly in (nature and wildlife): http://lindsaydobsonphotography.com/pets/choosing-the-right-kit-for-nature-photography/
 
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Lindsay D said:
I can now get most things on loan through one of my suppliers - if my schedule allows it I might just do that - otherwise I will definitely recommend you Duncan.
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Yes please!
Both to you getting one on loan and recommending others if you can't fit it in.
I say 'others', as I'm sure Souldeeps photography is probably better than mine, but I've got better pixel peeping credentials. Depends what they are looking for.
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
Yes please!
Both to you getting one on loan and recommending others if you can't fit it in.
I say 'others', as I'm sure Souldeeps photography is probably better than mine, but I've got better pixel peeping credentials. Depends what they are looking for.
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If the camera company itself loans a piece of kit then there is generally an unspoken agreement that the review should be fairly favourable and the reviewer quite prominent. I like to be completely unaffiliated so I get stuff on loan from a large independent camera store and that is the route I would advise as there is no particular pressure on you - and if it doesn't suit me I can simply give it back without comment. This is also the route that some of the best-known independent reviewers use. Generally you need a long-standing relationship with the store in question (over a decade in my case) and some credentials ie published work/qualifications etc. I would only borrow kit that I'm particularly interested in myself otherwise I'm unlikely to find the time and overhead to test it (which can amount to a fortune given my business costs per month). Where that's the case, I undertake to make the purchase from that particular store. I didn't do this with the XE1, being convinced I would be happy with it - lesson learned!
 
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.... so - in other words which store have you spent zillions with in recent years and how well do you know the manager? Do they know who you are, what you've achieved and your audience etc. Definitely worth thinking about Duncan.
 
Yv, you did indeed have that cap fitted as soon as you found it! I may well order myself one if I decide to keep the X-10 along with the XF-10. There are a few other niggles I have with both - f/9 as a minimum aperture? Battery life (bloody glad I've got 4 between the 2 cameras!) isn't that hot either but at least they're small and light. On that subject, does anyone have an in-car charger for the batteries? Would be useful! I have a universal one - just need to find it (and the associated leads!).

There's a lot to like about the X-10 but possibly not enough to keep it as well as the XF-1 (which I have to keep now I've got a case for the XF to match the leather in the XF...). Then again, passing it on is a hassle - might loan it to a mate who (as yet) doesn't have a decent compact and see if I can persuade him he needs it!
 
Lindsay D said:
Absolutely - I too would love to know why Adobe and others have not been able to come up with workable algorithms for X Trans. Maybe they have for the newer versions of the sensor but we don't know that, and currently there is absolutely no indication that that is the case. My gear write-ups on my blog attract anything from 1500 to 10,000 hits per day and are featured on the major mirrorless sites and blogs and pretty much every forum so hopefully I'll get an audience next week. I can now get most things on loan through one of my suppliers - if my schedule allows it I might just do that - otherwise I will definitely recommend you Duncan.
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One of the reasons Fuji is putting in the X-Trans sensor may be exactly that: Adobe and others not providing a proper solution for the EXR sensor of the X10 (and XS-1). Moving on to a different sensor may open up room for negotiations by Fuji (more models equals more market share). But then again, that would surely mean support for the X10 will never see the light of day, and we're stuck with the old (and rather lame) version of SilkyPix shipped with the X10...
 
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Lindsay D said:
.... so - in other words which store have you spent zillions with in recent years and how well do you know the manager? Do they know who you are, what you've achieved and your audience etc. Definitely worth thinking about Duncan.
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Point well made...
I do have a good relationship with my local camera shop, it's where I got my X10.
They get on very well with Canon and recently politely suggested it's about time I applied for CPS as I've more than enough kit to qualify.

I know they point customers to my website for example shots taken with Canon kit. I also know they occasionally read this thread; when I spoke to them earlier today they shouted across the shop "it's Duncan Disorderly" :D

Unfortunately they don't sell too much Fuji stuff - although they did mention that the Fuji rep is due to visit soon. I think I'd better pop down and have a chat with them :thumbs:
 
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Looking at Fujis site, there are already some 'testers' of the X20, one here in London and another in Ireland, as well round the world though I only found sample images, no words from them on the camera. Mind you, given it is on the Fuji site, one has to assume anything said would be be favourable anyway - so unless Fuji do fancy handing another one over to a reasonably tame, but totally unknown photographer to test out [I guess I can safely assume this is not the case] , I am not sure I can genuinely justify being an immediate adopter, despite really really wanting to. In truth I will probably sit on my hands for a few weeks, see what the feedback is like and then jump aboard assuming nothing too horrific is revealed.

Links to sample images from testers HERE if anyone is looking for them.
 
Yv said:
Looking at Fujis site, there are already some 'testers' of the X20, one here in London and another in Ireland, as well round the world though I only found sample images, no words from them on the camera. Mind you, given it is on the Fuji site, one has to assume anything said would be be favourable anyway - so unless Fuji do fancy handing another one over to a reasonably tame, but totally unknown photographer to test out [I guess I can safely assume this is not the case] , I am not sure I can genuinely justify being an immediate adopter, despite really really wanting to. In truth I will probably sit on my hands for a few weeks, see what the feedback is like and then jump aboard assuming nothing too horrific is revealed.

Links to sample images from testers HERE if anyone is looking for them.
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Thanks for the link, Yvonne. I know it's still early and judging IQ from the photos posted on that website is a bit of a venturesome escapade, but most pictures seem crisp and sharp, apart from David Cleland's set. Or is that just me?
 
robenroute said:
Thanks for the link, Yvonne. I know it's still early and judging IQ from the photos posted on that website is a bit of a venturesome escapade, but most pictures seem crisp and sharp, apart from David Cleland's set. Or is that just me?
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I think his are crisp enough, though obviously many use the inbuilt modes/processes and were shot in quite dull/low light - the only one that would concern me is the first in his gallery, it looks very grainy for iso 500 so on balance, I am guessing the grain is 'artifical', not sensor related. Having said all that, they are small versions by anyones standards so almost impossible to judge properly on any of them but a nice taster. ;)
 
Lots of talk of the X20. I'm not going to rush into anything. is it a nice to have or a need to have ? food for thought........

Anyway, i have been very busy lately and i'm quite pleased with these. All handheld using a combination of EXF, Pro low-light mode and 'S' mode:-

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I think the X10 is a fantastic camera and often use it in preference to my D7000. If the X20 is significantly better in terms of quality and capability then I will have no qualms in upgrading. I'm going to watch the reviews and posts with interest. Hope you have enjoyed looking at these and are encouraged to go out there and experiment.

Happy New Year - Nick :-)
 
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Lots of talk of the X20. I'm not going to rush into anything. is it a nice to have or a need to have ? food for thought........

Anyway, i have been very busy lately and i'm quite pleased with these. All handheld using a combination of EXF, Pro low-light mode and 'S' mode:-

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I think the X10 is a fantastic camera and often use it in preference to my D7000. If the X20 is significantly better in terms of quality and capability then I will have no qualms in upgrading. I'm going to watch the reviews and posts with interest. Hope you have enjoyed looking at these and are encouraged to go out there and experiment.

Happy New Year - Nick :-)
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Weyhey... loving the first 2!!! BTW - I work 60 seconds walk from number two shot ;) Great to see you posting and sensible approach to the X20.
 
Yv said:
Looking at Fujis site, there are already some 'testers' of the X20, one here in London and another in Ireland, as well round the world though I only found sample images, no words from them on the camera. Mind you, given it is on the Fuji site, one has to assume anything said would be be favourable anyway - so unless Fuji do fancy handing another one over to a reasonably tame, but totally unknown photographer to test out [I guess I can safely assume this is not the case] , I am not sure I can genuinely justify being an immediate adopter, despite really really wanting to. In truth I will probably sit on my hands for a few weeks, see what the feedback is like and then jump aboard assuming nothing too horrific is revealed.

Links to sample images from testers HERE if anyone is looking for them.
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Nice one for sharing thet YV :D

Apart from the floorboard shot - I'm not seeing anything much different to what the the X10 could produce. The first shot is extremely grainy for ISO 500. Wonder if that is down to the new XTRANS sensor. Never saw that grain on the X10 and can't believe someone testing the X20 would PP grain into an ISO shot without making that clear.
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
Yes please!
Both to you getting one on loan and recommending others if you can't fit it in.
I say 'others', as I'm sure Souldeeps photography is probably better than mine, but I've got better pixel peeping credentials. Depends what they are looking for.
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Pah - I'm past blushing now Duncan (and tipsy as I'm back a bit late tonight).

Fact of that matter, what this thread has cemented, is that the X10 is just the tool. We see each stuff differently and by god does that show in the photos. It's not about better or worse - it's simply our eye and sharing that via the photo's we post. The whole thing is totally subjective. I KNOW I don't have your eye for landscape or Pete's eye for a story, Lindsay's eye for the relation of space vs subject or YV's eye for a portrait scene (and to all of you reading I could go one about everyone of you - you must see it as well!). We all share our world, the way we see it, through the X10. It's simply art - although some like Pete would fight me on that :p Everyone posts totally different shots using the same camera and what that's helped me to really understand the last year I've been on the X10 thread is that I think we should all take confidence from how we see the world, everyone keep snapping and posting on this thread and elsewhere :love:
 
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X20: PRICE: $599.95 / 12.0 MP, No OLPF, New 6X6 array / 28mm- 112mm F/2.0-2.8 lens / 20 percent resolution, 30 percent S/N improvement / fast / hybrid AF / advanced optical viewfinder, with digital trans panel that display all your data (1mm thick trans panel acts like a HUD) / multiple exposure options brought over from X100 /
 
souldeep said:
Nice one for sharing thet YV :D

Apart from the floorboard shot - I'm not seeing anything much different to what the the X10 could produce. The first shot is extremely grainy for ISO 500. Wonder if that is down to the new XTRANS sensor. Never saw that grain on the X10 and can't believe someone testing the X20 would PP grain into an ISO shot without making that clear.
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I can believe it, simply based on the fat other shots in that gallery are not 'as real', but none are announced as such, they all just give the basic settings, aperture, iso & shutter speed. However, we really won't know until someone WE know gets their hands on one and can reveal all... :D
 
Yv said:
I can believe it, simply based on the fat other shots in that gallery are not 'as real', but none are announced as such, they all just give the basic settings, aperture, iso & shutter speed. However, we really won't know until someone WE know gets their hands on one and can reveal all... :D
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I know - but then I think - this is Fuji giving cameras to experts to "showcase". That's why I am :thinking: about the quality of the shot. The sensor is the same size so the differences can only be down to xtrans type.

Yes it would be great for one of us, who's shots are "measurable", to fire off the X20 for a true comparison.

Duncan - our esteemed X10 leader - (or Lindsay with your Fuji top bod links) good luck chatting with your local shop/Fuji rep next week. One of you could truly open the floodgates for the X20.
 
Blank_Canvas said:
Lots of talk of the X20. I'm not going to rush into anything. is it a nice to have or a need to have ? food for thought........

Anyway, i have been very busy lately and i'm quite pleased with these. All handheld using a combination of EXF, Pro low-light mode and 'S' mode:-


I think the X10 is a fantastic camera and often use it in preference to my D7000. If the X20 is significantly better in terms of quality and capability then I will have no qualms in upgrading. I'm going to watch the reviews and posts with interest. Hope you have enjoyed looking at these and are encouraged to go out there and experiment.

Happy New Year - Nick :-)
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A great new one to you too, Nick. Thanks for posting these here, good stuff. I really like the spiral staircase. Mesmerizing shot.
 
So I can see the following button changes to the X20;

The Drive button and the Auto Focus button have switched places. I think this may be so that when you are looking through the viewfinder it's easier to use the AF and then turn the command dial through the focus points.

The RAW button has been renamed the Q button.
 
Well, from Souldeep's info (source?), it looks like the X-20 will have in-VF info but I'm not sure that that alone is enough to sell one to me (unless my local shop offers me a very good trade-in deal on the X-10!)
 
Yv said:
Looking at Fujis site, there are already some 'testers' of the X20, one here in London and another in Ireland, as well round the world though I only found sample images, no words from them on the camera. Mind you, given it is on the Fuji site, one has to assume anything said would be be favourable anyway - so unless Fuji do fancy handing another one over to a reasonably tame, but totally unknown photographer to test out [I guess I can safely assume this is not the case] , I am not sure I can genuinely justify being an immediate adopter, despite really really wanting to. In truth I will probably sit on my hands for a few weeks, see what the feedback is like and then jump aboard assuming nothing too horrific is revealed.

Links to sample images from testers HERE if anyone is looking for them.
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I can see nothing in those sample shots that shout that the X20 is any Better than the X10.
In fact they were all a little "ordinary"

We will just have to wait till it gets into the hands of some "Real" photographers.
 
Nod I tend to agree - until the pixel peeping expert Duncan (or the fair Lindsay) is unleashed on the X20 images to give us balanced opinions of the new XTRANS sensor - the only real obvious differences are;

1) The AOVF
2) Faster AF (if responds as claimed)
3) A few buttons switched around
4) Aesthetics – the alloy black mix

For me none of the reasons listed is enough to encourage me to run and purchase the X20. I think a full size sensor, or significant increase in image quality, would have been. I’ll await others analysis of the new image quality before making any further decisions. Just goes to show how well the X10 is made neh :-)
 
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Maybe the users had very limited time with the camera before returning it or providing Fuji with images for the website.
I agree they're not stunning, which leads to my perception of being rushed to produce a number of varied types of shots.
Neither user has really offered up anything that sells the camera, and as I know where the indoor market is that David shot, it would seem they had the camera just before Christmas, with presumably pre-production firmware.

@ souldeep - aesthetics is the spelling you're looking for.
 
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Yep, first few look like they're done with one of the film modes used.
First little girl one (daughter?) is overexposed.
For me, the only properly satisfactory one is of the winter wonderland prop.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement, but I suppose you can give some credit to Fujifilm for using them.
 
Improvements I would make to the X-10 for me...

"B" or speeds longer than 8s.
Aperture narrower than f/11.
VF info.
A lens cap like Yv's as standard!

And in my dreams!!!

Waterproof down to 10m for snorkelling.
 
Unfortunately the sample images (if you can call them that) really don't have any value in terms of the viewer being able to assess image quality, mostly because the shots are heavily processed and low resolution. Nor is the creator likely to be available to discuss his or her real impressions or opinions. For that reason the only course of action is to wait until the main review sites have had their say, with some high res examples, and then we weigh up what we've seen and heard before biting the bullet - which really is the only stage at which we can make our decision as to whether or not the camera satisfies us.

As I've said, my main concern is the whole X Trans thing. What I am struggling to get my head around is the fact that thus far Fuji have had a considerable period of time with which to address one absolutely epic failing, and that is of course the lack of mainstream software RAW support, hence existing X Trans machines literally falling into the "JPEG only" category. This is an utter joke and pretty much rules out any serious photographer or professional from adopting the cameras, at least at this stage. So far the only exception to this is the X10 with its bespoke sensor whereby the JPEG's are in fact very much like RAW files in their behaviour and malleability - but that is very much not the case with X Trans, at least from a professional perspective. For Fuji to continue to bring cameras to the market which do not have credible software support beggars belief, if that proves to be the case. Of course, perhaps we might actually get the ability to process our RAWs, but who knows when that will be. For that reason alone I could not even consider investing in another Fuji camera.
 
PJ S said:
Maybe the users had very limited time with the camera before returning it or providing Fuji with images for the website.
I agree they're not stunning, which leads to my perception of being rushed to produce a number of varied types of shots.
Neither user has really offered up anything that sells the camera, and as I know where the indoor market is that David shot, it would seem they had the camera just before Christmas, with presumably pre-production firmware.
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I think that from what I can gather, the testers selected are from amateur stock. I think it's good that Fuji are allowing these type of users to share the work with the new camera, its transparent, although I do agree that this may not be the best early adverts for the best type of shots that the camera is capable of. I think those photos need to be viewed with this in mind.
 
Lindsay D said:
So far the only exception to this is the X10 with its bespoke sensor whereby the JPEG's are in fact very much like RAW files in their behaviour and malleability - but that is very much not the case with X Trans, at least from a professional perspective.
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Hi Lindsay - this point fascinates me. Are you saying that the Bayer Sensor (X10) JPG's work more like RAW files with PP applications whilst other sensor type JPG's, including the new XTRANS sensor type, won't work well with PP packages? I had never ventured into the realms of PP until I joined this thread with my X10 so I have no comparisons to help me understand.
 
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Hi Lindsay - this point fascinates me. Are you saying that the Bayer Sensor (X10) JPG's work more like RAW files with PP applications whilst other sensor type JPG's, including the new XTRANS sensor type, won't work well with PP packages? I had never ventured into the realms of PP until I joined this thread with my X10 so I have no comparisons to help me understand.
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In my experience the X 10 JPEGs require very little processing from the outset and are extraordinarily tolerant. Which is just as well, because the RAW algorithms for this sensor are very poor. As far as XTRAS goes, there currently is no workable mainstream support for the RAW output with the exception of Capture One 7.02 beta, however that is a deviation from the workflow that most established photographers have and it's very unlikely that anyone has the time or overhead to invest in additional software, taking the time to recreate all of their actions etc, purely for the pleasure of processing XTRANS raw files.

Obviously XTRANS JPEGs can be processed within our usual software, but the JPEG characteristics are such that the end result is not on par with a traditionally processed RAW image from a good Bayer sensor. This confusion arises because the XTRANS cameras are purchased mostly by novice customers who will rave across the Internet about the quality of the pictures. I can think of several professionals who tried to introduce the XP1/XE1 to their professional kitbag but came up against the obvious performance failings and lack of RAW software support - I receive e-mails pretty much every day from people who are returning these cameras due to the well-known autofocus and RAW nightmares.

Amateurs and hobbyists will often become fan boys of whatever kit they own, simply because it's theirs and they may not have experienced much else. But professionals have basic performance benchmarks and if a camera or lens fails to meet that benchmark then it is not going to be favourably described. Whilst the JPEGs I get from my XE1 are perfectly nice it's unlikely I would use them professionally since there are many occasions where the colour and detail that can only be provided by a RAW file (X10 excluded) is needed.

Fuji make cameras for hobbyists, and this line became blurred with the introduction of the X Trans lineup and lens roadmap - suddenly it appeared that innovative technology would make these cameras appeal to professionals. But the reality in the field confirmed the former statement - the cameras are, and remain hobbyist tools. The only possible exception is the X-100 which many professionals do use and I am happy to use it where the focal length is appropriate.

But if you're just shooting for yourself then you should just buy whatever you fancy. I can justify this with the X 10 which was and remains purely my personal use camera. Unfortunately the XE1 is also turning out to be a purely personal use camera rather than the lightweight pro quality tool I was hoping.
 
Lindsay D said:
But if you're just shooting for yourself then you should just buy whatever you fancy. I can justify this with the X 10 which was and remains purely my personal use camera. Unfortunately the XE1 is also turning out to be a purely personal use camera rather than the lightweight pro quality tool I was hoping.
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This same thing applies to me, and assuming the X20's jpgs are at least as good as the X10, then it remains a desire. On the other hand, any distant thoughts of maybe a higher model as a lightweight pro tool would remain exactly that - distant - until such a time as there is full support for RAW files within my editing tools.

Who knows, maybe Fuji do have something up their collective sleeves if they are bringing more cameras to market without that support currently in place - maybe you will get good news next week Lindsay, but I remain as sceptical as you until any kind of official word. It does seem a very 'arse about face' way of doing things.
 
Hmmm, just spotted this in DPreview's Hands On Preview (http://www.dpreview.com/previews/fujifilm-x20/):

The switch to the X-Trans CMOS sensor addresses one of the X10's most obvious weaknesses - it simply can't resolve quite as much detail as its competitors with conventional sensors. But it also loses one of its strengths, the excellent 6MP 'DR' shooting mode that offers vastly better highlight rendition than other compact cameras in difficult lighting conditions. However the X20 will still offer more-conventional DR expansion settings at 12MP resolution, which should make up for this.
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I guess that's what "EXR II" means... I was surprised to see that both the X20 and the X100s used the EXR II processor. AFAIK the EXR processing for the X10 and X100 is very different, the X100 having no equivalent of the pixel-binning (or whatever it's called) of the X10. I've always assumed this was part of what gives the X10 such a nice dynamic range/low noise and assumed this was part of what makes the JPEGs so flexible.

So, I guess we have to wait and see. I'm not sure many of the review sites will tell us what we want to know; we'll know more when a few of us get our hands on them.

(BTW I'm not so sure about that "obvious weakness"; maybe they mean using 6 mp rather than the available 12 mp?)
 
Lindsay D said:
Obviously XTRANS JPEGs can be processed within our usual software, but the JPEG characteristics are such that the end result is not on par with a traditionally processed RAW image from a good Bayer sensor.
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Thanks for the explanation and your patience :)

I totally understand the RAW file points you've made and the associated issues.

I also understand that the Bayer Sensor JPG's on the X10 are good SOTC and require little, if any, adjustment.

I also understand that JPG's are not really the right file format to run PP against as they are already processed out of the cam. To effectively process them twice (once in cam then again in a PP application) creates degradation in the quality of the image. In 99% of cases it’s the RAW files we want to process in PP to create a professional end product.

What I'm still not understanding are the JPG sensor differences you described. You compared the X10 Bayer JPG's as;

Lindsay D said:
X10 with its bespoke sensor whereby the JPEG's are in fact very much like RAW files in their behaviour and malleability - but that is very much not the case with X Trans
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So in response does this mean that if I took an X10 JPG and an XTrans JPG and ran them through an identical PP workflow the X10 JPG is likely to react to, and look better at, the end of the process?
 
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Lindsay D said:
As I've said, my main concern is the whole X Trans thing. .
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I agree...
I am not in the market for another, what is essentially, a Jpg only camera.

If they can not work sensibly with Adobe. They should supply their own Plug in for Photoshop. They know what is needed and how to do it, as they can process excellent Jpegs from the raw data. We need that option ourselves, to make tiffs or whatever.

They are selling something like a car that runs on a magic ingredient, and they won't tell what it is.
 
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What I'm still not understanding are the JPG sensor differences you described. You compared the X10 Bayer JPG's as;
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None of the X... cameras have Bayer pattern sensors. They all use one or other of the Fuji designs.

The strange thing is... that though Jpeg is a standard format, the ones out of an X10 seem to have more headroom and are ameniable to a little more adjustment than one might expect. This is not true of the Jpegs out of the other X... cameras.

None of them deliver Raw files that any known Raw processor seems to understand, in way standard Bayer sensors do.

It would seem to me this is a created "Fuji problem"... Fuji should see that it is solved. Not wait for the "industry" to do it out of the kindness of their hearts.
 
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Lindsay D said:
In my experience the X 10 JPEGs require very little processing from the outset and are extraordinarily tolerant. Which is just as well, because the RAW algorithms for this sensor are very poor. As far as XTRAS goes, there currently is no workable mainstream support for the RAW output with the exception of Capture One 7.02 beta.......
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http://www.raw-photo-processor.com/RPP/Overview.html
http://soundimageplus.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Raw Photo Processor 64
http://www.iridientdigital.com/products/rawdeveloper.html - this is a standalone application
 
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