The Official Fuji X10/X20/X30/XF1/XQ1 Thread

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Gorgeous shot Ed. Love it.:cool:

James
 
Piscator Pete said:
Last week, I posted an image taken with the "Sunset" feature in the X10's SP mode, and wondered if it held any real advantage over 'dialling up' suitable settings in, say, Aperture mode. There's been so little sun for months, that the opportunity to make comparisons have been few. However, in this part of the world, Saturday evening saw a rather magnificent sunset that found me in Wells (Somerset) with the camera in my pocket. I still didn't make any effort to compare, and just chose the SP setting - the winter sun goes down so quickly, and I didn't want to muck things up.

The twin towers of the cathedral's west front as I approached from what remained of the Saturday market, reminded me of John Betchman:

"A whacking great sunset bathed level and drain
From Kirby with Muckby to Beckby on Bane.
And I saw as I journeyed my marketing done,
Old Caisterbury Tower take the last of the sun." or similar!

So I got a shot of the towers? - well, no: since it was tea time, I popped along to the moat adjacent to the old drawbridge of the Bishop's Palace, to check whether the swans would perform their trick of ringing the bell to summon 'tea' from the window above. Sadly the pull cord had been tied up out of the way, tiffen apparently unavailable:


Time for tea! by wylyeangler, on Flickr

So having failed there, I turned to the cathedral's west front towers for my epic shot, and guess what: the sun had gone down! Failure number two.

However, the residual light of the now set sun was doing wonders for the clouds, and so I began the 20 min or so anticlockwise circumnavigation of cathedral and palace in light that was failing fast:


Bishop's Palace moat by wylyeangler, on Flickr


DSCF027(2) by wylyeangler, on Flickr

You have had 'Spot the helicopter' and 'Find the float'; now try 'Hunt the Tor'! Easy this one, but I didn't spot it until I was editing the photo, or I might have done something about composing the picture properly (didn't you know that Glastonbury is that close to Wells?):


Spot the Tor! by wylyeangler, on Flickr

Emerging on to the road SE of the cathedral presents you with a subject which is impressive, but for me, difficult to make anything of photographically during the daytime. At dusk, the silhouette of this lovely building is wonderful, but someone had put the best of those lovely sunset clouds in the wrong place:


Cathedral from ESE by wylyeangler, on Flickr

With very little light available, my little walk around the cathedral took me past the arch that leads into what is said to be the oldest street in Europe that has been in continous occupation since mediaeval times. Of course, this is often photographed, and yesterday, for the first time by me:


Vicars Close, Wells by wylyeangler, on Flickr

If anyone does have views on the Sunset feature in SP mode, I should be delighted to know. I think the rendering of the clouds is very nice, but I'm not very happy with my ability in PP to 'bring up the shadows' in a way that is at all life-like. It needs an Yvonne to do that (no hint intended!).

I have to point out that I have no connection with the Wells Tourist Board if such a body exists!

Pete
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I'm a sucker for a sunset ( and a sunrise). Lovely shots Pete.

James
 
james n said:
Just catching up with the thread after a few days in Norfolk. Some great pictures to look at i see after a casual browse. Really enjoying the X10, so much so that my second X100 has gone back to Amazon. I want to evaluate the XE-1 to see if it's a replacement for my D7000. These Fujis are rather lovely things and something with the IQ of the X100 with interchangeable lenses could be ideal.

James
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James, don't get too excited about the XE1 just yet, it has some niggles. It won't replace a DSLR if speedy focus is important to you - there appears to be no improvement in this area despite the new zoom. Yes, the IQ is as one would expect, but performance is below par at times. More here on my Blog if you're interested: http://lindsaydobsonphotography.com/blog/olympus-omd-em-5-vs-fujifilm-xe-1/

No, I won't be getting rid of the X10, it's my little buddy.
 
Lindsay D said:
James, don't get too excited about the XE1 just yet, it has some niggles. It won't replace a DSLR if speedy focus is important to you - there appears to be no improvement in this area despite the new zoom. Yes, the IQ is as one would expect, but performance is below par at times. More here on my Blog if you're interested: http://lindsaydobsonphotography.com/blog/olympus-omd-em-5-vs-fujifilm-xe-1/

No, I won't be getting rid of the X10, it's my little buddy.
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There's a shot you have in that review, that you took with the OMD that breaks thirds - it's a 50/50 tree/reflection that has me stunned. On the right of the shot it's wide and continues to reduce in size to the left of the shot. The colours in the trees, and the reflections are amazing. I am totally in love with that nature shot :thumbs:
 
souldeep said:
There's a shot you have in that review, that you took with the OMD that breaks thirds - it's a 50/50 tree/reflection that has me stunned. On the right of the shot it's wide and continues to reduce in size to the left of the shot. The colours in the trees, and the reflections are amazing. I am totally in love with that nature shot :thumbs:
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You know, I haven't really looked yesterday's shots, I just legged it round the lake testing and quickly ran them through LR - I'll go and have a look for the one you mention. Landscape isn't really my area so I'm very flattered by the comment. As for rules, I occasionally feel that a composition is better if the rules are relaxed a bit.
 
Lindsay D said:
You know, I haven't really looked yesterday's shots, I just legged it round the lake testing and quickly ran them through LR - I'll go and have a look for the one you mention. Landscape isn't really my area so I'm very flattered by the comment. As for rules, I occasionally feel that a composition is better if the rules are relaxed a bit.
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An excellent read Lindsay and lovely pictures too. It's refreshing to read about how the cameras actually perform hands on without all the technical details. I get enough of that during the day !

Plenty of food for thought :)
 
souldeep said:
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Some great shot in the set Dunacn. Really taken back with the first image, lovely shallow DOF and great colour.

I see the X10 pan went a bit wrong though. I had a few from the Camden shoot with exactly the same stitching issues. Shame - would have been worth persisting to get one good one as that architecture cries out for a pano :)
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LOL - you spotted that dodgy pano :D:D:D
I took three and they all went wrong.
Th X10 couldn't work out if I was actually moving the camera as the repeating patterns of windows were almost identical in each slice.
The Royal Crescent in Bath is not actually this big - The X10 has added in lots of duplicate slices; check out the cars and railings as that is about all there is to confirm what is going on, and even then it is not easy.
Can't really blame the X10, but in the end I gave up.
 
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Thought I would have a fiddle with off camera Flash.
The built in unit is not bad it is just a bit limited.
I had an experiment with a Late 70's ( Boots) Thyristor flash and a mini-slave attachment to the flash cord.
I dare not attach the flash to the camera, as I have no idea of the fireing voltage, and I did not want to fry the camera.

You must set the Camera to External flash. If not, it does not synchronise, but the flash does fire. (It is set off early by the pre flash)

It is like going back in time It worked with the two Thyristor settings or in manual mode.

This shot was taken bounced off the ceileng in manual mode at 1/1000 at f4. You can see that the window blinds are not burnt out though the sun was on them and casting shadows of branches on to them. The Histogram shows both ends of the scale with out any clipping.

The flash gun was one I bought in Boots to go in a pocket (made by Sunpac) still works perfectly after all this time.

I have also used My Canon 580EX and 430EX in the hotshoe and Both worked fine.. though the ETTL does not work, the power can be altered manually.

The Boots flash is more convenient (You just set the aperture once, according to the scale on the back and and it adjusts to the light reflected back. the thyristor works Just fine in adjusting the flash power. (all at a tiny fraction of the price of a 580EX)

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DuncanDisorderly said:
LOL - you spotted that dodgy pano :D:D:D
I took three and they all went wrong.
Th X10 couldn't work out if I was actually moving the camera as the repeating patterns of windows were almost identical in each slice.
The Royal Crescent in Bath is not actually this big - The X10 has added in lots of duplicate slices; check out the cars and railings as that is about all there is to confirm what is going on, and even then it is not easy.
Can't really blame the X10, but in the end I gave up.
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Do you know that was the first time, last Sunday, that I thought I'd nailed a pano (via LCD) yet when I downloaded it could see I hadn't. You on version 2 of the software? Wonder if something has changed to the pano function :thinking:
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
Thought I would have a fiddle with off camera Flash.
The built in unit is not bad it is just a bit limited.
I had an experiment with a Late 70's ( Boots) Thyristor flash and a mini-slave attachment to the flash cord.
I dare not attach the flash to the camera, as I have no idea of the fireing voltage, and I did not want to fry the camera.

You must set the Camera to External flash. If not, it does not synchronise, but the flash does fire. (It is set off early by the pre flash)

It is like going back in time It worked with the two Thyristor settings or in manual mode.

This shot was taken bounced off the ceileng in manual mode at 1/1000 at f4. You can see that the window blinds are not burnt out though the sun was on them and casting shadows of branches on to them. The Histogram shows both ends of the scale with out any clipping.

The flash gun was one I bought in Boots to go in a pocket (made by Sunpac) still works perfectly after all this time.

I have also used My Canon 580EX and 430EX in the hotshoe and Both worked fine.. though the ETTL does not work, the power can be altered manually.

The Boots flash is more convenient (You just set the aperture once, according to the scale on the back and and it adjusts to the light reflected back. the thyristor works Just fine in adjusting the flash power. (all at a tiny fraction of the price of a 580EX)

1/1000 F4 ISO200 Bounced (flash full power)
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Hi Terry,

Thanks - that's an interesting post :thumbs:

I've been thinking about flash a lot more lately and Yv has persuaded me to think about off camera flash rather than studio kit. I've been investigating so it's a great time to read some info from users of the X10. I'm guessing I only want to get sync flash rather than flash that responds to light going off.

Here are a few I took with X10 using off camera flash. The ladies sitting in are off my photography course.

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Certainly had no issues competing with the others DSLR's :)
 
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Now then Souldeep are there any genres of photography you can't do or you've yet to try :clap:

And you've found a very attractive you lady to model for you :thumbs:

All, as usual, excellent :clap:
 
souldeep said:
Certainly had no issues competing with the others DSLR's :)
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LOL - must be some pretty priceless expressions amongst the group now you are beginning to show the X10's true colours!
Got any stories you can air in public :D

Reminds me of my photo trip to Copenhagen with the X10 earlier this year.
I was the only person in the group not taking a DSLR and my results shook a few of them as a DSLR would not have done better.
Funnily enough, a lot of them now own a decent compact camera.
One of them even went as far as selling his D700 and all his lenses :eek:
 
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John - that's very kind mate. I actually took them a good few weeks back now. Just didn't post them as didn't think there was really anything outstanding worth posting. Reason I posted them now is to help support Terry's off cam flash discussion. See if we can't get any other postings from others that have tried it with the X10 :)

Duncan - yes I must admit there is quite an interest regarding the X10 in the group. Most mutterings are related to the weight differences, especially with the ladies. They like the idea to be free and easy with a small camera. In regards to any interesting stories... sorry but not really... it's all been a rather calm and collected affair :)

Well I'm not sure if anyone is planning to sell there DSLR but I know a few of them have been looking at the make and model of the X10 so may be a story buried in there yet.
 
Oh and here's one with studio flash - posted for DSLR comparison not artistic merit. Again you couldn't tell that was from a compact!

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It's good to see some more attempts at off-camera flash with the X10... I've done quite a lot with it in the past year and in many situations, this little camera is just as capable as my 5DMKIII. :)
 
Spiritflier said:
It's good to see some more attempts at off-camera flash with the X10... I've done quite a lot with it in the past year and in many situations, this little camera is just as capable as my 5DMKIII. :)
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:notworthy:

Give us more - I'm hungry for your shots!!!
 
souldeep said:
Hi Terry,

Thanks - that's an interesting post :thumbs:

I've been thinking about flash a lot more lately and Yv has persuaded me to think about off camera flash rather than studio kit. I've been investigating so it's a great time to read some info from users of the X10. I'm guessing I only want to get sync flash rather than flash that responds to light going off.

Here are a few I took with X10 using off camera flash. The ladies sitting in are off my photography course.
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How did you fire the flash with those shots.

I love the first one... it is most unusual to light for, and shoot the far eye in a portrait but it worsks so well. I would most likely clone in the light area in the bottom /left side.

(The flash is in full sync with my little set up.) You only get ETTL with a fuji flash.
 
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Hi Terry - thanks :-)

I fired different flashes with a hot-shoe adapter and a cable plugged into that. Slave flashes fired off the master. All I had to do was, as you've already mentioned, switch to external flash in the setup menu. Flash power etc was all set on the flashes rather than in the camera.

Clone in the light - not sure what you mean there? Do you mean PP out the softbox flash on the bottom left?

Could you explain ETTL? I'm new to all this flash stuff.
 
souldeep said:
Hi Terry - thanks :-)
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I fired different flashes with a hot-shoe adapter and a cable plugged into that. Slave flashes fired off the master. All I had to do was, as you've already mentioned, switch to external flash in the setup menu. Flash power etc was all set on the flashes rather than in the camera.
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I could have used a hot shoe adapter ... But some Flashes and studio units have a very high triggering voltage and can fry you camera circuits.
As the flash I was using is so old it would probably be of that type.





Could you explain ETTL? I'm new to all this flash stuff.
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Advanced flashes in the Nikon Canon ranges ( amongst others) Use a system (ETTL) of communication between any number of their flashes and cameras so as to measure and control the light automatically between them. They can also set these as output levels from the camera or master flash. I have a 430EX and two 580EX flashes that I can use in this way. It is easy to use but can be confusing to set up.

Clone in the light - not sure what you mean there? Do you mean PP out the softbox flash on the bottom left?
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Yes... if you hold your hand to cover that light it improves the shot no end.

To clone in this instance is to use other parts of the backgroud (as clones) to cover that light area.

I have done a clone here (I hope you don'tmind But reduced the blackness of it slightly for a better balance. It gives a very 1930's stylised look to the shot.

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Terrywoodenpic said:
I could have used a hot shoe adapter ... But some Flashes and studio units have a very high triggering voltage and can fry you camera circuits.
As the flash I was using is so old it would probably be of that type.
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Oh - that's worrying. I wouldn't have risked it if I knew it could fry my X10. How can I tell what off cam flashes are going to be OK with a hotshoe adapter?

Terrywoodenpic said:
Advanced flashes in the Nikon Canon ranges ( amongst others) Use a system (ETTL) of communication between any number of their flashes and cameras so as to measure and control the light automatically between them. They can also set these as output levels from the camera or master flash. I have a 430EX and two 580EX flashes that I can use in this way. It is easy to use but can be confusing to set up.
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:thinking: If the point of ETTL is a system to communicate between any number of flashes why would Fuji only set it up to work with one, on board, flash!? Seems like a strange feature from FUJI.



Terrywoodenpic said:
Yes... if you hold your hand to cover that light it improves the shot no end. To clone in this instance is to use other parts of the backgroud (as clones) to cover that light area.
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Well you must have a far more attractive hand than mine - didn't do anything for the shot (couldn't help thinking I need to use the clippers when I get back home tonight) ;)

Nope understood and yes you are right. If I find the time I might just try that. Thanks :)

*EDIT* Just noticed you edited your post after I posted which now includes the example shot - I like your version. What package did you clone in? *END EDIT*
 
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souldeep said:
Oh - that's worrying. I wouldn't have risked it if I knew it could fry my X10. How can I tell what off cam flashes are going to be OK with a hotshoe adapter?



:thinking: If the point of ETTL is a system to communicate between any number of flashes why would Fuji only set it up to work with one, on board, flash!? Seems like a strange feature from FUJI.
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If you use remote triggers rather than a cable, you should be ok. Go way back near the beginning of this thread, Simon [spiritflier] gives and explanation of how he did it using, if I recall correctly, RF602 [?] type triggers, which are relatively inexpensive though don't allow for ttl. Triggers also give you more flexibility on positioning of the light, you aren't limited by the length of the cable.

As for ttl.... does the fuji only allow for one? I haven't checked, and whilst you probably dont get any kind of zone control [each flash pushing out a different power] if the units are operating in slave mode to the one the fuji is triggering, perhaps there is a certain amount of flexibility on the metering to work it. This IS speculation, so far I havent tried any OCF with the fuji, I just know it can be done but no idea with how much flexibility.
 
souldeep said:
Oh - that's worrying. I wouldn't have risked it if I knew it could fry my X10. How can I tell what off cam flashes are going to be OK with a hotshoe adapter?
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The problem is with the internal Flash trigger not the adaptor. Though I hear that adaptors are now made that include a safe circuit. As Vy says radio triggers are now made that are safe and more flexible



:thinking: If the point of ETTL is a system to communicate between any number of flashes why would Fuji only set it up to work with one, on board, flash!? Seems like a strange feature from FUJI.
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Each manufacture has their own proprietary ETTL system that works with only their own cameras and flashes... though some independent flash makers make clones that seem to work in most respects.
As far as I know Fuji do not have such a system ,but as they do have some camera shoe flashes, I could be wrong.

Well you must have a far more attractive hand than mine - didn't do anything for the shot (couldn't help thinking I need to use the clippers when I get back home tonight) ;)

Nope understood and yes you are right. If I find the time I might just try that. Thanks :)

*EDIT* Just noticed you edited your post after I posted which now includes the example shot - I like your version. What package did you clone in? *END EDIT*
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I use photoshop CS3, But Gimp is free, and works just as well.
 
It seems to have rained a bit today.

1) This used to be the only A-road in England with a ford on it, but the Gov sorted that... by downgrading the road! (This is the highest we've seen it in around 15 years or so.)

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2) In historical times Kenilworth Castle was protected by a Great Mere. Recently there's been talk of resurrecting it... seems the weather gods agree!

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3) More flooded Castle...

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4) And more...

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That's probably enough for now. But more rain to come, we hear. :thumbsdown:
 
I am the thread killer!

A question that I'm sure someone can help me with. I didn't install the last firmware update on my X10, but I did send it off to have its thumb grip glued on, and when it came back there was a check list of lot of stuff that had been, well, checked. Yesterday, when out taking pics of floods, I decided I might like to take a few Raws, so hit the Raw button on the back. A grid of controls sprang to life on the screen! I don't remember seeing this before, but I do remember something about such a feature being part of the latest update. Partly why I didn't update, I think. Anyway, how do I find out what the current firmware version is on my X10?
 
ChrisR said:
I am the thread killer!

A question that I'm sure someone can help me with. I didn't install the last firmware update on my X10, but I did send it off to have its thumb grip glued on, and when it came back there was a check list of lot of stuff that had been, well, checked. Yesterday, when out taking pics of floods, I decided I might like to take a few Raws, so hit the Raw button on the back. A grid of controls sprang to life on the screen! I don't remember seeing this before, but I do remember something about such a feature being part of the latest update. Partly why I didn't update, I think. Anyway, how do I find out what the current firmware version is on my X10?
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I think from memory, as I no longer own the X10, but turn on whilst pressing the 'display/back' button or is is when camera is on hold it down for a few seconds?
 
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I think from memory, as I no longer own the X10, but turn on whilst pressing the 'display/back' button or is is when camera is on hold it down for a few seconds?
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Yup - that's it :)
And that quick settings screen is the latest firmware.
You can sort of get the RAW button back by assigning it to the Fn button on the top plate.
ISO controls are already on the quick settings screen so don't need a dedicated button.
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
Yup - that's it :)
And that quick settings screen is the latest firmware.
You can sort of get the RAW button back by assigning it to the Fn button on the top plate.
ISO controls are already on the quick settings screen so don't need a dedicated button.
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Ah yes, version 2.0. I didn't ask for or expect that; I guess I'd better learn how to use the new screen! Changed the Fn button as you suggested Duncan, but it's a bit odd. Now my Raw button is set to various functions, and my Fn button is set to Raw! :cuckoo::bang:
 
BTW I tried out a XF-1 in the hand over the weekend (but only in Jessops, with a great lump of plastic attached to the bottom). The size is great, but I really didn't like that fiddly turn-on procedure with the lens. Despite the size, I won't be swapping my X10 for one!

(Also tried a RX100; being somewhat left-handed, every time I handled it, the spindly little flash popped up under my fingers. No... :shake::thumbsdown:)
 
ChrisR said:
Ah yes, version 2.0. I didn't ask for or expect that; I guess I'd better learn how to use the new screen! Changed the Fn button as you suggested Duncan, but it's a bit odd. Now my Raw button is set to various functions, and my Fn button is set to Raw! :cuckoo::bang:
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Chris,

I had the same experience when I returned my X10.

I don't know if you have downloaded this from the Fuji website - it's a big file, but I just printed off the 2 pages that were in English:

http://www.fujifilm.com/support/digital_cameras/manuals/pdf/index/x/x10_manual_02.pdf

Thanks for the Kenilworth Castle photos - magical place. I haven't been there for 30 years now, but remember trying to imagine what it would have been like with the 'mere' still in place in the days of Robert Dudley and Elizabeth. Your photos give a clue (that is if the flood occupies the same spot as the mere did which I suspect it must). I am intrigued to hear the lake might be reinstated. Methinks my Earl of Leicester would approve!

Pete
 
Hi Chris. I remember driving through the ford in my newly acquired 4wd. It was pretty deep then and as I went through there was a bow wave threatening to cover the bonnet and a crowd of people at the raised side of the road, watching. There were one or two cars stuck in the water and a Jag XJS conked out as it exited the ford.
This was literally the third day of ownership of one of Solihul's finest and it drove through perfectly to applause from the crowd!
Great to see the Mere there too. I really must find an excuse to travel up there and have a look round again. Is Mikes Bikes still nearby?
Allan
 
ChrisR said:
Ah yes, version 2.0. I didn't ask for or expect that; I guess I'd better learn how to use the new screen! Changed the Fn button as you suggested Duncan, but it's a bit odd. Now my Raw button is set to various functions, and my Fn button is set to Raw! :cuckoo::bang:
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It’s certainly odd they have swapped the two buttons over BUT the new menu system is pretty well laid out and easy to use. I recommend it :) Quick to access all the important functions at the click of a button rather than delving deep into the Fuji menu settings which was always a drag. It’s now shares the same menu system as the XPRO.

Chris you live in such a lovely place – to walk out of the front door and see a castle, and be surrounded by countryside. Wow. Sorry to hear about the flooding – we seem to manage to avoid all the weather extremes in this concrete jungle called London.
 
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Chris you live in such a lovely place – to walk out of the front door and see a castle, and be surrounded by countryside. Wow. Sorry to hear about the flooding – we seem to manage to avoid all the weather extremes in this concrete jungle called London.
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The innocuous looking ford in the village, a shot of which I posted a week or two ago, claimed the life of a motorist last night when his car was swept away by the raging torrent the brook had become:


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Pete
 
fidsey79 said:
Quick questions - 3rd party battery or fuji battery? And fuji case or 3rd party.
98% certain that an x10 order going in this afternoon and want to order it all as a bundle. Thanks, Sarah
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Both thirdparty - a lot cheaper and just as good, if not better in some cases (pun intended).
 
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