The Official Fuji X10/X20/X30/XF1/XQ1 Thread

Thanks Allan, I found the X100 fine in good light but in dim/artificial light the AF really suffers, is this also the case with the X10? Thanks
 
Yv said:
Good idea John - I am just on my way out of the door, but will also have a tweak in Lightroom later. You will never pull the sun down and I think its fine as it is, so a lot of the work would need the grad tool in LR to light the right hand side more. This is one of those occasions where a RAW file would have been even better, but the jpgs from the X10 are quite forgiving considering the senor size so you can certainly do something with it. :thumbs:
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Hello Yvonne,

Thanks for this: I do have the RAW file for the image, but can't do better than modifying the JPEG. However, I'm using Silkypix (people tend to be a bit snooty about that!), and never heard of shooting RAW - naturists apart - till I bought the X10, and so my ability is going to be more than a little limited!

How do you 'post' such large files as RAW anyway?

Pete
 
Yv said:
**drums fingers** Still waiting for Yves Geza to be ready, so just had a very quick play

Basically I used the grad tool in LR hat allows you adjust an image with a graduation across it, in any direction you spin it to. [great for landscapes to pull land back, etc] - increased exposure in the RHS, and shadows and a touch of contrast. Its by no means perfect, but has retained the look of the top LHS from the original I think

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Yvonne,

Our posts have crossed!

By golly, that's it! You've captured the look I was after, not only in the top LH corner, but also across the whole picture! To me, it IS 'perfect' now!

So, I need to get LR do I? I guess that function doesn't exist in Photoshop 6 (that was in a bundle with my little Lumix).

Thanks a lot!

Pete
 
Piscator Pete said:
Hello Yvonne,

Thanks for this: I do have the RAW file for the image, but can't do better than modifying the JPEG. However, I'm using Silkypix (people tend to be a bit snooty about that!), and never heard of shooting RAW - naturists apart - till I bought the X10, and so my ability is going to be more than a little limited!

How do you 'post' such large files as RAW anyway?

Pete
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You don't, you use the RAW file to apply your edits, then save them as jpgs for posting :thumbs: However, you could email an original raw file to someone if you needed to, but most photohosting sites wont accept them for upload.

The X10 is very good at making its own jpgs, and probably makes them look better than most editors could in normal circumstances, but when faced with such an extreme, it can be worth grabbing the RAW too just so you get that little bit more data to play with when editing. The problem can come if your photoediting software can't read the RAW file from that particular camera, but if Silkypics is fine with the Fuji RAWs then use them as when you need to. :thumbs:
 
Piscator Pete said:
Yvonne,

Our posts have crossed!

By golly, that's it! You've captured the look I was after, not only in the top LH corner, but also across the whole picture! To me, it IS 'perfect' now!

So, I need to get LR do I? I guess that function doesn't exist in Photoshop 6 (that was in a bundle with my little Lumix).

Thanks a lot!

Pete
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Sadly no, although I think PSE 6 has a layers function? [I am guessing its Photoshop Elements you have if it came with a lumix rather then full blown photoshop] - I guess you could add a duplicate layer, push the shadows and exposure on the duplicate up to where they need to be for the RHS, then using the eraser tool, with a HUGE feather [hardness set at 0%], erase back the top left and over the foremost bit of the bridge to take that back to original.

It might need someone that has PSE to explain that in terms that suit the programs actual tools, but that would probably get you pretty much near where you want it.


edit: oh, if you pm me your email address, I will send you the full size edit later, I used the original from flickr. :thumbs:
 
Piscator Pete said:
Hello Yvonne,

Thanks for this: I do have the RAW file for the image, but can't do better than modifying the JPEG. However, I'm using Silkypix (people tend to be a bit snooty about that!), and never heard of shooting RAW - naturists apart - till I bought the X10, and so my ability is going to be more than a little limited!

How do you 'post' such large files as RAW anyway?

Pete
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Sorry not Yvonne here :razz: So you'll have to do with me :clap:

I am no expert but I have tried Silkypix that came with my old X10 & with a Panasonic G2 I bought and I found it terrible to use. I have Lightroom but I hadn't realised, at the point I bought, it will not work on my Laptop which is Windows XP so I installed it upstairs on a desktop which has Windows Vista but because of my crocked state I can only sit at my laptop.

I have PE10 and before buying any of the PE series I have always downloaded from the Adobe site for a months free trial. But steer clear of version 11 as I am not the only one to think it has gone backwards in a big way.
http://www.adobe.com/downloads/

I also have tried the full Photoshop but feel it would take too long top learn (and bankrupt me) so have settled on learning PE11 and LR.

You can host RAW files as I often do when entering the PP Game thread on the PP section link given earlier. I use Dropbox.
https://www.dropbox.com/

So good luck always something to learn :clap:
 
Yv said:
**drums fingers** Still waiting for Yves Geza to be ready, so just had a very quick play

Basically I used the grad tool in LR hat allows you adjust an image with a graduation across it, in any direction you spin it to. [great for landscapes to pull land back, etc] - increased exposure in the RHS, and shadows and a touch of contrast. Its by no means perfect, but has retained the look of the top LHS from the original I think
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Yvonne seriously impressed and I have learned something. I often enter the edit challenges in the PP section so don't you dare enter or I (and many others) am/are dead :eek:
 
Yv - I know it's not a X10 shot but could you share the wedding photo (or post the link at the least) if you don't mind, of the sunset and subjects you showed me yesterday with everyone? I am deeply impressed with Yv's skills but I think a photo like that needs to be shared to inspire!

Jonathan – great pussy shot!

You’ll know how I’ve asked a few questions around the exposure dial. A number of you have kindly, and patiently explained different scenarios in which you find it useful. I decided that the dial wasn’t for me – mainly because I just couldn’t see how it made any difference to my images. Well guess why this numpty couldn’t get on with it – or understand how it worked? Yep – I was experimenting with it in manual mode. Suddenly S mode and P mode have become very useful modes. You’ll know I retired EXR mode due to lack of control – auto mode gives more control so I have been using that was for quick contrasting scenarios in which I don’t have time to set up manual and then manual for all the landscape, light work etc. Well now I’m going to be retiring Auto mode as well as with the exposure dial I feel I have excellent control in P and S modes!!! Manual will still be my mode of choice for landscape and shots I have any sort of time to think about. Thanks for showing me what I was doing wrong with that yesterday YV :)
 
DayDreamer said:
Sorry not Yvonne here :razz: So you'll have to do with me :clap:

I also have tried the full Photoshop but feel it would take too long top learn (and bankrupt me) so have settled on learning PE11 and LR.

You can host RAW files as I often do when entering the PP Game thread on the PP section link given earlier. I use Dropbox.
https://www.dropbox.com/

So good luck always something to learn :clap:
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Many thanks for your continuing interest and help, John.

Since you, Dave, and Allan have expressed an interest in fishing, here are some shots of the R. Brue I was sussing out late afternoon yesterday. As it was, I wished I'd had a rod in hand rather than the X10 - the river was 'fining down' very nicely after the most recent spate; a time I've found the chub to be most cooperative.

The inquisitive cattle here are a blasted nuisance when you're quietly stalking chub:


DSCF0148 (2) by wylyeangler, on Flickr

There was strong local interest in whether I was going to follow Duncan's advice, and expose for the highlights:


DSCF0151 (2) by wylyeangler, on Flickr

I thought I'd better post an attempt at an 'arty' shot to preserve any right to post images on this thread - Glastonbury Tor through a 'halo' of thorns (oh all right, a felled tree) - get it? - oh, "please yourselves" as one F. Howerd would have said:


DSCF0154 by wylyeangler, on Flickr

The swim under brush on the far bank looked 'chubby' as the light ebbed away. Any feature on this apparently canalised stretch of river seems to attract 'em:


DSCF0167 (2) by wylyeangler, on Flickr

Walking back to the car in failing light, I observed this phenomenon I've seen many times before, but not with a camera in hand. I think (but don't know) it's down to 'interference colours' caused by the diffraction of the sunlight in the myriads of ice crystals constituting the cirrus. The image is massively cropped:


DSCF0181 (2) by wylyeangler, on Flickr

Driving back over Westhay bridge, I saw this unspectacular sunset with an unpromising foreground, but it gave the opportunity at last to try out the X10's sunset feature. Rather nice colour, but does it really offer any more than you can 'dial up' in other modes?


DSCF0196 (2) by wylyeangler, on Flickr

Pete
 
Pete - your photography makes me think of renaissance masters.

1, 2 and 3 all float my boat! Number 4 also – but just wanted to point out the cloud formation – it complements the curvature of the river.

And Pete entered the X10 forum introducing himself with the humble “I’m not much of a photographer” – my a*se!!!
 
Ed Sutton said:
Methinks he was being economical with the truth... :D
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Not really Dave! It's not my being falsely modest for effect, but rather you, Yvonne, Duncan, Souldeep, John, Dave, Terry, Allan, Chris, etc. etc. just don't know how good you all are! You guys are artists, creative as well as reactive.

I am just a 'reactive' photographer, who, with dedication beyond that which I'd care to offer, might have made it as shooter of sentimental, 'chocolate box' subjects for the tourist in the form of postcards. Given a nice 'natural' shot, I can get my angles right - sometimes. But you guys can create something out of nothing - stuff I would pass by and not give a second glance! I'm just about good enough to appreciate such talent, but not emulate it.

But hey - it doesn't worry me! I enjoy my dabbling, and especially look forward to the discussion, and sometimes amiable banter, on this thread. First time I've ever been involved with such a thing - a bit of a revelation really.

Pete

PS Duncan - I've been over-sharpening again: look at the 'ski-slope' down the northern side of the Tor!
 
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Yv said:
Yep, its about the only fun guy I know by name that Fly Agaric chap :D Nice captures, though would love to see how the macro modes would have dealt with them too to see if it could create some separation or would the dof have been just a tad too shallow as these things are usually relatively big.
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Yes, that's what I thought they might be. They were a bit too big for macro mode; those were around 5" across, and some were even larger. As it was, focus was quite a problem, really hit and miss but I was happy there were a few keepers when I got home.

Excuse my ignorance, which castle? The light falling on it is beautiful, well caught but shame about all those people and signs, couldn't you have told them to shift, very important photograph being taken? :bat: JOKE! ;)
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Allan's already correctly identified it as Kenilworth Castle; I only live a couple of hundred yards away (in the non-twee part) so I'm afraid it's a rather constant feature of my shots. I do love it, though, and it changes so much with the light.

You're right about the signs, and I'm afraid it was me being lazy. If I'd "zoomed with my feet" I could at least have got past the signs. This was just an afterthought after the shot I wanted (autumn leaves framing the castle) didn't work:

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Anyway, thanks everyone for your comments!
 
Piscator Pete said:
I am just a 'reactive' photographer...
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But surely it's being reactive that makes a good photographer? Without 'the eye' you'll get nowhere, and IMO you have a good eye.

As for me, I'm flattered to have been associated with the others you listed, I'm not in their league. I'm constantly surprised what they can pull off with their X-10s on a consistant basis, while I potter along and get lucky once in a while.
 
Hehe - theres just so much love on this thread. We need an X10-Xmas get together and one big group hug :hug2:
 
souldeep said:
Yv - I know it's not a X10 shot but could you share the wedding photo (or post the link at the least) if you don't mind, of the sunset and subjects you showed me yesterday with everyone? I am deeply impressed with Yv's skills but I think a photo like that needs to be shared to inspire!

Jonathan – great pussy shot!

You’ll know how I’ve asked a few questions around the exposure dial. A number of you have kindly, and patiently explained different scenarios in which you find it useful. I decided that the dial wasn’t for me – mainly because I just couldn’t see how it made any difference to my images. Well guess why this numpty couldn’t get on with it – or understand how it worked? Yep – I was experimenting with it in manual mode. Suddenly S mode and P mode have become very useful modes. You’ll know I retired EXR mode due to lack of control – auto mode gives more control so I have been using that was for quick contrasting scenarios in which I don’t have time to set up manual and then manual for all the landscape, light work etc. Well now I’m going to be retiring Auto mode as well as with the exposure dial I feel I have excellent control in P and S modes!!! Manual will still be my mode of choice for landscape and shots I have any sort of time to think about. Thanks for showing me what I was doing wrong with that yesterday YV :)
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:nuts: ok, but just a link, in case anyone is only skim reading and thinks I have really mastered the X10, which I most definitely have not yet. LINKY Have to admit though, would like to get an off camera synch cable [or find my rf602's] and have a go at using some OCF with the little one, I think it would be great fun.

Glad you are happier with that exposure dial now :thumbs: My thanks for the quick on tip and advice on doing the pano's, going to have another go with them. :)
 
twist said:
Anyone have an X100 at the same time as an X10? Is the AF of the X10 as poor as the X100? Thanks
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I have both of those cameras. The autofocus is very good on either, in my opinion the talk of slow focus is greatly exaggerated. Since the latest firmware the X100 is more than quick enough. Not on par with a good DSLR, but pretty snappy all the same. I've never missed a shot with either camera. Forget about tracking focus though, that's the province of big kit.
 
Lindsay D said:
I have both of those cameras. The autofocus is very good on either, in my opinion the talk of slow focus is greatly exaggerated. Since the latest firmware the X100 is more than quick enough. Not on par with a good DSLR, but pretty snappy all the same. I've never missed a shot with either camera. Forget about tracking focus though, that's the province of big kit.
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Thanks Lindsay, tbh I tried the X100 in various focus modes in half decent light (artificial though) and found it really struggled compared to a GF3/GX1. Hit rate was down to 1/10 at very best, target was barely moving. Fine for stationary subjects though.

eg. my daughter usually sits still long enough for any of my other cameras to grab focus and take the shot before she moves, by the time the X100 locked on her she'd moved and Id missed the shot.
 
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twist said:
Thanks Lindsay, tbh I tried the X100 in various focus modes in half decent light (artificial though) and found it really struggled compared to a GF3/GX1. Hit rate was down to 1/10 at best, target was barely moving. Fine for stationary subjects though.

eg. my daughter usually sits still long enough for any of my other cameras to grab focus and take the shot before she moves, by the time the X100 locked on her she'd moved and Id missed the shot.
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I wonder if the one you tried had the less recent Firmware? Mine is quite good, but you're correct that it's not really a camera for fast moving targets (for that I tend to zone focus).
 
Firmware was up to date, really loved everything about it but the AF. Shame. Great camera otherwise.
 
I think you have to remember the limitations of these cameras, they are not dslr's and do not necessarily have the uber quick focusing ability in low light of a several grands worth of FX body and f1.4 lens on the front [and even the best of those will still have misses in those conditions]

I find the focusing on both [I borrowed an X100 a while back] to be quite good - yes they struggle when the light gets low, but not excessively, certainly no more than I would expect. :)
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
Lindsay D used to post into this thread.
She was, and still is, producing absolutely stunning images from the X10.
Here's a set that popped up in my RSS feed this morning.
http://lindsaydobsonphotography.com/blog/fujifilm-x10-autumn-colour/

That set of images is inspirational and aspirational.
It puts what the rest of us produce into perspective.
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Nice one for sharing that link Duncan - I really miss Lindsay's postings :'(

It amazes how diverse this thread is for the unique styles and forms of photography that come from the same tool. I think it really goes to prove that a camera really is just a device that allows indivdual creative expression.
 
:lol:

Well what would you know - I walked away from the thread with my post still in the editor - came back, posted and then we're on a new page and lo and behold - Lindsay's posting!

Coincidence timed with Duncan’s post!?

Lovely set Lindsay. Hope all is going well and your website has been left alone!
 
Yv said:
I think you have to remember the limitations of these cameras, they are not dslr's and do not necessarily have the uber quick focusing ability in low light of a several grands worth of FX body and f1.4 lens on the front [and even the best of those will still have misses in those conditions]

I find the focusing on both [I borrowed an X100 a while back] to be quite good - yes they struggle when the light gets low, but not excessively, certainly no more than I would expect. :)
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I do understand the limitations but in saying that a £200 GF3 kills it when it comes to AF so not comparing it against 2k worth of gear, I read comparisons of 5D AF speed which I wouldve been okay with as I owned one so understand its AF speed but generally Id get way more hits than I was getting from the X100, Im not making any comparisons against my D700 but wouldve expected/hoped for at least 5D AF speed/accuracy.
 
twist said:
I do understand the limitations but in saying that a £200 GF3 kills it when it comes to AF so not comparing it against 2k worth of gear, I read comparisons of 5D AF speed which I wouldve been okay with as I owned one so understand its AF speed but generally Id get way more hits than I was getting from the X100, Im not making any comparisons against my D700 but wouldve expected/hoped for at least 5D AF speed/accuracy.
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Hey twist. Zone focus is the way forward if you need to rely on getting a sharp piccy without the time to trust the AF :)
 
twist said:
I do understand the limitations but in saying that a £200 GF3 kills it when it comes to AF so not comparing it against 2k worth of gear, I read comparisons of 5D AF speed which I wouldve been okay with as I owned one so understand its AF speed but generally Id get way more hits than I was getting from the X100, Im not making any comparisons against my D700 but wouldve expected/hoped for at least 5D AF speed/accuracy.
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Well, it could either be a difference in expectations [mine to yours], as I dont have anything similar to compare it to, or possibly an issue with the body you had/have. Assuming the body was ok, then there are ways, such as the zone focus to help compensate. However, to go back to your original question, my memory says there wasn't much difference between the x100 and x10 [I actually borrowed the x100 to take to an awards evening, so very low light] in terms of actual focusing speed - or rather not that you would humanly notice...so I guess the answer is that maybe the X10 wouldn't suit if lower light focusing speed was your main criteria. However if you have other needs as well, then certainly worth you checking out further. ;)
 
souldeep said:
Essexash as we're discussing the ProFocus function, and the ProFocus issue I witness I thought I'd drag this original post to current page. You'll see my thinking regarding shallow DOF in the above. The top image has the blurring issues I've been mentioning.
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Souldeep,

A couple of weeks ago you posted photos relevant to the quoted message, and I meant at the time to agree that the ProFocus facility seems to be an unnecessary step too far. I think Duncan was initially impressed last year, but has reservations now I should think.

I found it difficult to make it work with any degree of consistency, but remembered the old trick, used by my uncle and mentor, of using long focus lenses for portrait work with 35 mm cameras. Of course, one of the tricks is to use the zoom lens on the X10. At the same time, I tried "Portrait Enhancer" out on my daughter, only backing off the red a bit in PP to suit what I was trying to achieve:


Copy of DSCF9690 by wylyeangler, on Flickr

Taking a few steps back, and using max. zoom, I shot this:


DSCF9691 by wylyeangler, on Flickr

I think the red could be pulled back a bit on this one, too, but in both cases, I was very happy with the 'bokeh' effect, and my daughter was very pleased by the overall, smoothed-out appearance (she would, wouldn't she?!), which makes her look as though she'd been rather heavily made-up.

Below is a 55-year old shot of a 14-year old kid trying to look what is now called 'cool', I think. Uncle used a 135 mm lens with its British Reid body (a much cheaper Leica IIIF copy I think) to produce the Bokeh effect - not a word he would have been familiar with. He certainly wouldn't have regarded this sort of portrait work as serious - he always used a blooming great plate camera for that! In fact, the first darkroom work I ever did was when, at the age of 11, I was allowed to 'fly solo', and print my older sister's wedding photos from the plate images he had created. Everyone ought to have an 'Uncle Jack'!


Copy of b, Reid, Pan F, 13.5 cm, 1957 by wylyeangler, on Flickr

Pete
 
My turn!
Here's a few 'proper' piccies to share from yesterday's walk up Moel Siabod in Snowdonia.

The view from our hotel towards Moel Siabod.
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Crossing the river.
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Pano taken on the top which nicely shows the rugged terrain.
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View towards Snowdon.
For those that know the area, the ridge visible in the clouds is Y Lliwedd.
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Dropping into the trees created this weird shot, it is straight out the camera, there's no PP!
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The day was concluded with a riverside walk with the sun shining through the autumn leaves.
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It was a magical and memorable walk, hope this manages to convey something of the trip :D

I've got some more images from Saturday's walk up Snowdon that I still have to process. I'm not sure I'm going to post them on here as I don't want you lot to get overdosed on landscape images!
 
souldeep said:
:lol:

Well what would you know - I walked away from the thread with my post still in the editor - came back, posted and then we're on a new page and lo and behold - Lindsay's posting!

Coincidence timed with Duncan’s post!?

Lovely set Lindsay. Hope all is going well and your website has been left alone!
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Hi Souldeep - I do occasionally pop back and read this thread because I love to see the stream of wonderful images from so many talented people. It's not a coincidence that my reply was timed with Duncan's post - my webstats update in real time and as soon as there's a hit on my site from a link it takes one click of the mouse to find the source. And I must say it's so lovely that I've been remembered - it's not been the best year on a number of fronts. But my website has been (touch wood) fine lately so I'm gradually coming out of the closet again! Hope all is well at your end too. :)
 
Fantastic as always Duncan, but the Snowdon in the clouds shot is... well, words almost fail me, but just wonderful!
 
Well - I processed the Snowdon images and I'm dead chuffed with them.
So here's some more landscapes!

Derelict slate quarry. Subject has been done to death, but I still like this one :)
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Dramatic clouds looking towards the coast.
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It's a two thousand foot drop down to the lake, I didn't want to stand too close!
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My favourite from this set, probably because it evokes strong memories of being there.
No idea how it looks to people who weren't there; really hard for me to judge.
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This was posed, and it shows...
But I still like it :bonk:
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Fleeting light on the autumn colours.
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That's yer lot :D:D:D
 
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