The Official Fuji X10/X20/X30/XF1/XQ1 Thread

niko said:
thats strange it shows you in auto in your exif data,(edit) its shows in ae as you said but also Exposure Mode set as auto further down in the exif
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I regularly get underexposed pictures in Auto mode. In P mode things look a lot (and more consistently!) better.
 
swordjo said:
Had my first go today (at my nieces first Birthday party), was so nice not having to worry about the kids getting hold of my D300 plus they seemed not to notice I was taking photo's with the X10 and caught some candids. They didn't mind a little pose too (the photo named "The M". Really impressed with what is just a nice little compact.

The M by swordjo, on Flickr


The C by swordjo, on Flickr


The E by swordjo, on Flickr


Cake! by swordjo, on Flickr

and a wee play with the macro function on my favourite tipples bottle:


Sailor Jerry Macro by swordjo, on Flickr

Again I'm really impressed with the camera, Jpegs are amazing SOOC and it felt great getting decent shots with a compact.

Cheers,

Jonathan
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Lovely pics mate :thumbs:
 
robenroute said:
I regularly get underexposed pictures in Auto mode. In P mode things look a lot (and more consistently!) better.
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Don't know why it says auto mode further down my exif :shrug:
I was definitely in A.. Will give P mode a go later and remember to dial back compensation if I use it :cuckoo:

Is it worth me downloading version 2 of the firmware?

Thanks :thumbs:
 
Here's a few from yesterday's trip to the beach.
Eleven months ago this was the location for my first day out with the X10 - see the beginning of this thread. :)
Yesterday's 9999 problem indicates that I have averaged 225 images a week :gag:

This beach contains small patches of limestone polished by stones rolling over it at high tide.
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The eye of the Dragon.
A straight conversion from RAW, no tweaks!
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Limestone Navel.
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The low light was gorgeous!
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More of that polished limestone.
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A wonderful afternoon exploring the beach was concluded by a rather nice sunset.
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Wonderful sunset, Duncan. Nice shot! And I like the texture on the dragon's eye shot.
 
Lovely set Duncan :-) The sunset is a great composition and has a real winter feel about it. My favourite from the set is the penultimate pic in your post. The limestone shot washed with the evening winter sun - beautiful.

Only just got back home from Friday - had no camera which is a shame as the views over Greenwich park were stunning yesterday in the autumn light. Spent too much on art work as well :-( Anyway now downloading the new LR version soon to be followed by the X10 firmware update (if an invitation to the pub don't interrupt my photographic plans for this afternoon)

Jonathan - some really great shots in that bunch. I see you have a good eye! The sailor mug is a really intriguing shot - don't know why - but it's definitely got my attention :-)

Can anyone explain why I would want to use the exposure adjustment dial on the top of the X10? When I'm in manual I work with the digital exposure bar on screen. Why would I need to play with the dial as well (except maybe for a bracketed shot although I'm more likely to use the drive button for that)?
 
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well after reading this whole thread:eek::D
and meeting up with si ive ordered one ,hopefully be with me next week.
keep up the good work guys theres some cracking(and inspirational ) photos on here
 
niko said:
well after reading this whole thread:eek::D
and meeting up with si ive ordered one ,hopefully be with me next week.
keep up the good work guys theres some cracking(and inspirational ) photos on here
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:clap: that's quite a feat. This thread is now EPIC!

Welcome :D
 
souldeep said:
Lovely set Duncan :-) The sunset is a great composition and has a real winter feel about it. My favourite from the set is the penultimate pic in your post. The limestone shot washed with the evening winter sun - beautiful.

Only just got back home from Friday - had no camera which is a shame as the views over Greenwich park were stunning yesterday in the autumn light. Spent too much on art work as well :-( Anyway now downloading the new LR version soon to be followed by the X10 firmware update (if an invitation to the pub don't interrupt my photographic plans for this afternoon)

Can anyone explain why I would want to use the exposure adjustment dial on the top of the X10? When I'm in manual I work with the digital exposure bar on screen. Why would I need to play with the dial as well (except maybe for a bracketed shot although I'm more likely to use the drive button for that)?
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There's a shot from the same spot in my LRPS panel, totally different lighting.
It's a wonderful bit of beach!
http://www.wild-landscapes.co.uk/Catalogues/LRPS/15640053_63ZH7t#!i=1171961443&k=QW6rs3Q&lb=1&s=A

LR4.2 definitely feels more responsive - I like it!
Haven't noticed ant tinkering with the Fuji RAW algorithm though.
Keep my fingers crossed for the next version.

I rarely use my X10 in manual, but use the exposure compensation dial a lot.
Horses for courses :)

niko said:
well after reading this whole thread:eek::D
and meeting up with si ive ordered one ,hopefully be with me next week.
keep up the good work guys theres some cracking(and inspirational ) photos on here
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Good grief!!!!
That's impressive; how long did it take?
Looking forward to seeing some images.
 
souldeep said:
:clap: that's quite a feat. This thread is now EPIC!

Welcome :D
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DuncanDisorderly said:
There's a shot from the same spot in my LRPS panel, totally different lighting.
It's a wonderful bit of beach!
http://www.wild-landscapes.co.uk/Catalogues/LRPS/15640053_63ZH7t#!i=1171961443&k=QW6rs3Q&lb=1&s=A

LR4.2 definitely feels more responsive - I like it!
Haven't noticed ant tinkering with the Fuji RAW algorithm though.
Keep my fingers crossed for the next version.

I rarely use my X10 in manual, but use the exposure compensation dial a lot.
Horses for courses :)



Good grief!!!!
That's impressive; how long did it take?
Looking forward to seeing some images.
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:D i think the words you meant to type where "that's sad get a life":D
and the answer is 2 long.
 
Duncan - I prefer the composition of the linked shot you just shared but the light of the one you've posted in the above set. Both great shots :-)

The update is taking a while to download though!!! I did notice it now supports the new member of the X-series family. Was the RAW a problem for you in LR4.1 then? Apart from that strange artefact I get when I up the clarity I have noticed no other issues with the RAW conversion. It's the lens barrel distortion I would love them to add a profile for.
 
AESamuel said:
Well in continuation of my epic struggle between JPEG and RAW I come bearing a question.

I shot a photograph in RAW+JPEG today and decided to do a little fiddling with highlight recovery. (I can't post the full pictures, my gf would kill me so these are crops of the area in question)

This is the JPEG with highlights taken down a little in LR:
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This is the RAW with highlights taken all the way down in LR:
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My question, if I had set the highlight tone to -2 (it was -1) would I have gotten similar results? I know it was RAW vs JPEG but if I can do it to the RAW in lightroom, can't the camera do it too?

I'm still unsure about settings like colour, sharpness, noise reduction etc. If anyone can explain what they use and why that would be great. I think I like velvia most out of the film settings.

Apart from the highlight recovery I actually preferred the picture as a JPEG than my own attempts at editing the RAW. I only want to shoot one rather than both because it makes it a lot easier to handle and seeing as hobbies are supposed to be fun and not bog you down I think just dealing with one format is for me. If I can get acceptable highlights then I will be all set on JPEG :D
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Don't mean to be pushy but it would be really helpful for me if someone could offer some advice on this post :)
 
AESamuel said:
Don't mean to be pushy but it would be really helpful for me if someone could offer some advice on this post :)
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Not sure whether I understand your question correctly, but I take it you're talking about the in-camera settings. If so, you might want to look into the info about these kind of settings in Alex White's book on the X10. I found it very helpful, in combination with my own experimenting.
 
Just confirmed purchase of an X10 on here :) Looking forward to giving it a whirl. I've not used anything compact-ish in years. Should be great for doing a bit more discreet-street. I bought it for the missus, but really, it's mine! ;)

I'll have to get reading through this thread now.
 
souldeep said:
Jonathan - some really great shots in that bunch. I see you have a good eye! The sailor mug is a really intriguing shot - don't know why - but it's definitely got my attention :-)
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Thanks for that, people and booze are "my thing":lol: so I'm always looking out for good candid shots.
 
souldeep said:
Can anyone explain why I would want to use the exposure adjustment dial on the top of the X10? When I'm in manual I work with the digital exposure bar on screen. Why would I need to play with the dial as well (except maybe for a bracketed shot although I'm more likely to use the drive button for that)?
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I may have missed someone else answering this, and almost anyone else may have a better answer... but I use it when I think the X10 is under or over-exposing (I'm sorry, that's the seriously obvious, isn't it!). I've only used manual when I was deliberately doing a sunny 16 trial; normally I'm in P or sometimes A or S (my history was the Aperture-priority Pentax ME). So if I spot a peak or gap at the right of the histogram I adjust the exposure compensation.

I think some of the more serious photographers here assess the scene, think about ther metering modes, and apply an adjustment based on that. Lindsay D used to write about "riding the exposure comp dial hard", although I also seem to remember a comment about needing it less after the sensor upgrade. Anyway, my guess is that if you're in manual you don't need it, but if in other modes, you might (and in some modes, perhaps EXR Auto, it does nothing, I seem to remember?).
 
I always set my Nikon cameras to -0.7 exp comp in aperture priority mode. I don't know why exactly, but it seems to give better exposures, less blown highlights - I have found Nikon camera to do this when left at 0.00 exp comp. It'll be interesting to see if I do same with the X10 out of habit, maybe it's just a look I like? a very slightly under exposing.

Anyway, Man ... this thread is long! :D I started at page one, and got a few pages in, then copped that it was 129 pages!! Daaaamn. I will read a few pages a day until I get the cam, should well prepare me. There are some very cool images here.
 
Cagey75 said:
Just confirmed purchase of an X10 on here :) Looking forward to giving it a whirl. I've not used anything compact-ish in years. Should be great for doing a bit more discreet-street. I bought it for the missus, but really, it's mine! ;)

I'll have to get reading through this thread now.
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A D800e user - Hmmm
This could be interesting.
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

The D800e is a classic pixel peepers camera - astonishingly good at the pixel level. Why else get the 'e' over the normal D800?
But the X10 isn't that good at the pixel level (especially if you shoot RAW).
To love the X10 you have to get out there and use the thing - it delivers.
These are two different mind sets; Hence dpreview and other sites like it didn't like the X10, but other sites well know as authorities on medium/large format (Luminous Landscape and TOP) got out there and used the X10 in the real world and gave the X10 glowing reviews.
Hence I'm really looking forward to seeing what you have to say.

Oh - and Welcome! :D:D:D

Edited to add: I am a self confessed pixel peeper, it's not a bad thing as long as it is done appropriately (and that's a whole topic in it's own right).
 
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I am a bit of a peeper admittedly :D But mostly just on my own images. I love 100% viewing them and seeing them nice and sharp. But I rarely ever do it when viewing other people's images, just the way I am.

This purchase is completely different. I have the mad res for studio and landscape and all that. The X10 is something I know I will take with me more, as a handy street cam, or for casual gigs where I'm not a hired shooter. Shots of the kids when we're out walking, the kind of shots I can't really use the D800 for - like out the window when on a bus, or in restaurants when I like to take pictures of my food :D I want it to be my fun cam. I was just going to use my old D90 and stick the 50mm on there permanently, but even that is too bulky for an always-have-on-me cam. So I've sold that to buy this :)

I'm actually buying it for herself, but she knows I will claim it back ;) Oh, and your early examples have me excited about using it ;)
 
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Cagey75 said:
I always set my Nikon cameras to -0.7 exp comp in aperture priority mode. I don't know why exactly, but it seems to give better exposures, less blown highlights - I have found Nikon camera to do this when left at 0.00 exp comp. It'll be interesting to see if I do same with the X10 out of habit, maybe it's just a look I like? a very slightly under exposing.

Anyway, Man ... this thread is long! :D I started at page one, and got a few pages in, then copped that it was 129 pages!! Daaaamn. I will read a few pages a day until I get the cam, should well prepare me. There are some very cool images here.
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Right - I've never owned a Nikon, lets get that clear!
So this is just from reading other stuff.
Traditionally, Canon has been able to pull miracles out of blown highlights where Nikon would struggle, and Nikon has done wonders with shadow detail where Canon struggled.
You will be pleased to hear the X10 is more like Nikon :)
The X10's ability to pull out the shadows is astonishing, but it's highlight recovery doesn't quite look perfect.
If you read the last 10 pages or so, you will see my X10 advice repeated; expose for the highlights!
 
Cagey75 said:
I am a bit of a peeper admittedly :D But mostly just on my own images. I love 100% viewing them and seeing them nice and sharp. But I rarely ever do it when viewing other people's images, just the way I am.

This purchase is completely different. I have the mad res for studio and landscape and all that. The X10 is something I know I will take with me more, as a handy street cam, or for casual gigs where I'm not a hired shooter. Shots of the kids when we're out walking, the kind of shots I can't really use the D800 for - like out the window when on a bus, or in restaurants when I like to take pictures of my food :D I want it to be my fun cam. I was just going to use my old D90 and stick the 50mm on there permanently, but even that is too bulky for an always-have-on-me cam. So I've sold that to buy this :)

I'm actually buying it for herself, but she knows I will claim it back ;) Oh, and your early examples have me excited about using it ;)
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Excellent response - thanks :D
Please do post your thoughts about the X10.
 
My under exposing should work a treat then? cool. I'll feel wrong if it's set to 0.

I found exactly what you say with the D200, the D90 and now the D800. I was out shooting with another photographer yesterday and he couldn't understand why I had it set like that [He was mad to try some shots with the D800 and noticed the exp comp] I have always found it much easier pull back shadow than highlights in post because of it.

I'm about to go read through some more pages here now :)
 
Right, off down to Devon in the morning and sw devon Tuesday morning to collect the X10, looking forward to giving this baby a whirl. I now have 'expose for the highlights' firmly etched on the brain and several willing models to point it at as well as scenery :D

Some pics from me by the end of the week if all goes to plan, maybe before if we have internet access. :thumbs:
 
:help: I'v got a little green camera with a punctuation mark on my screen and have no idea why. I can't find it in the manual either. Many thanks :thumbs:

Edit: Found it on page 116, just means low lighting conditions..
 
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DuncanDisorderly said:
These are two different mind sets; Hence dpreview and other sites like it didn't like the X10, but other sites well know as authorities on medium/large format (Luminous Landscape and TOP) got out there and used the X10 in the real world and gave the X10 glowing reviews.
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I think that's nailed what I dislike about the X10. It 's more like a pocketable view camera than an SLR!

As a 'street' camera, which is mainly what I bought mine for, I find it too slow for anything that moves, and the viewfinder is pitiful for accurate framing.

All that said, it makes nice photos and is a great little camera for static subjects, it's wide angle close up capabilities are superb and the sweep panorama function is great fun.
 
Ed Sutton said:
As a 'street' camera, which is mainly what I bought mine for, I find it too slow for anything that moves, and the viewfinder is pitiful for accurate framing.
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Well, you could always switch to manual focus, leave it at some hyperfocal distance setting, and select your preferred shutter speed ("for anything that moves") and/or aperture.
 
robenroute said:
Well, you could always switch to manual focus, leave it at some hyperfocal distance setting, and select your preferred shutter speed ("for anything that moves") and/or aperture.
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Now that would be a useful firmware upgrade: a hyperfocal setting.
 
robenroute said:
Well, you could always switch to manual focus, leave it at some hyperfocal distance setting, and select your preferred shutter speed ("for anything that moves") and/or aperture.
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Manual focus is not an X10 strong point.
There are tips and tricks for fast focussing (the AEL button is the best), but the real issue is that when the lens is zoomed focus is lost and needs to be re-positioned.
It is similar to what happens on most DSLR lenses, so we can't complain too much, but the result is unhelpful.

My original comment was more to do with pixel peeping image quality rather than focussing.
But the comments being raised are still valid....
 
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DuncanDisorderly said:
Manual focus is not an X10 strong point.
There are tips and tricks for fast focussing (the AEL button is the best), but the real issue is that when the lens is zoomed focus is lost and needs to be re-positioned.
It is similar to what happens on most DSLR lenses, so we can't complain too much, but the result is unhelpful.

My original comment was more to do with pixel peeping image quality rather than focussing.
But your comments are still valid....
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True, focus would be lost. And due to the design (lens zoom and on/off switch integrated), practical application is limited. Without a proper hyperfocal setting, one would have to stick to a single zoom setting.

The X10 is very capable, but it isn't the all singing all dancing camera that some/all (?) of us want it to be. I like it for its fortes and try to work around its limitations.

For me and my type of photography, the X10 has brought back the joy and fun in photography.
 
If you really wanted a dslr replacement, the X100 or X pro1 would be more suitable. People buy the X10 more as a casual, cheap enough, always have on you camera. I'm certainly not expecting quality on a par with my D800. But I know I'll get pictures that I wouldn't capture with that. I would expect it to be better than the average compact though.
 
robenroute said:
Well, you could always switch to manual focus, leave it at some hyperfocal distance setting, and select your preferred shutter speed ("for anything that moves") and/or aperture.
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Tried that but it didn't work for me, and for 'perfect' framing you still have to use the screen - which is what really, really drives me nuts.

I do like the X10 - I've got some shots with it I doubt I'd have got with an SLR, and have no complaints about the image quality which beats my previous 'compact' by miles. I'm not knocking it as a camera at all.

I guess it's because it looks and feels like a 'real' camera that I expect more from it.
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
Manual focus is not an X10 strong point.
There are tips and tricks for fast focussing (the AEL button is the best), but the real issue is that when the lens is zoomed focus is lost and needs to be re-positioned.
It is similar to what happens on most DSLR lenses, so we can't complain too much, but the result is unhelpful.

My original comment was more to do with pixel peeping image quality rather than focussing.
But the comments being raised are still valid....
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I am very interested in what these tips are. I have been playing around with focus for a while and not really figuring the best way to work with it. Would really appreciate anything that anyone can share regarding the focus functions.

I’ll kick off with the best I have figured it so far;

I find MF is great for close up shots when using an open aperture and bright light – where the AF/S just won’t focus. This method has the added benefit of automatically (and temporally, whilst focusing) zooming closer so you get the focus tight. Another added bonus of MF – I’ve noticed shutter lag reduced.

I have found AF/C to be good when I have a moving street target e.g. a face walking through the crowd.

Beyond this I have not experimented with the face focus option, AEL button, AE/AF lock or the menu option that allows you to select the position in an image of the AF frame. The latter option seems very time consuming for an image. How else can this be used?

Also – I cannot figure in what circumstance I would really want to use AEL, AE/AF lock.
 
Ed Sutton said:
Tried that but it didn't work for me, and for 'perfect' framing you still have to use the screen - which is what really, really drives me nuts.
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I tend to try and get the perfect frame in my shots as well - however as an idea - why not zoom out a bit more then snap away and crop when you bring the shots back to the computer? It's a work around and stops you worrying about the perfect frame. If you see the perfect frame via the viewfinder - you've ogt it on film with a crop :)
 
souldeep said:
Also – I cannot figure in what circumstance I would really want to use AEL, AE/AF lock.
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In MF, the AEL button auto-focusses similarly to half pressing the shutter.
Simply find something about the right distance, AEL to focus, recompose and start snapping. Just leave the zoom alone!

There is another trick to avoid the MF startup problem where focus is a million miles out of range and takes many tens of turns of the wheel before getting anywhere useful.
Simply flip to AF-S and back to MF - the focus magically comes into range needing only small tweaks on the wheel.

But the biggie is once manually focussed - DONT ZOOM!!!!
If you change the zoom, you have to refocus.
It is very easy to forget.
 
souldeep said:
I tend to try and get the perfect frame in my shots as well - however as an idea - why not zoom out a bit more then snap away and crop when you bring the shots back to the computer? It's a work around and stops you worrying about the perfect frame. If you see the perfect frame via the viewfinder - you've ogt it on film with a crop :)
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I will add to that ...as I was bothered by finder inaccuracy at the start.

What I realised is that no matter what (except in extreme close ups) every thing you see in the viewfinder is included in the final picture... plus some.
So now I crop tight with the viewfinder and then crop the final image to what I wanted.

This works because the viewfinder shows only 80% of the image. Though I find in practise I rarely crop the whole 20%
 
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