The Official Fuji X10/X20/X30/XF1/XQ1 Thread

iancandler said:
Thanks Duncan, I'll get her to bring it in with her again and do some proper test shots to make sure everything is ok.
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The view finder is a seald unit that is not adjustable for position at all.
Mine went back a couple of times as it was slightly out at infinity. ( it still is)
But it is well within the 80% view of the specification.

I find it a pity they did not make it adjustable, but it is what it is.

If her one is out of line get her to complain... they will/can not do anything , but they might alter the design in future.
Most people do not notice any deviation.
I simply point slightly to the left.
 
iancandler said:
Thanks Duncan, I'll get her to bring it in with her again and do some proper test shots to make sure everything is ok.
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The view finder is a sealed unit that is not adjustable for position at all.
Mine went back a couple of times as it was slightly out at infinity. ( it still is)
But it is well within the 80% view of the specification.

I find it a pity they did not make it adjustable, but it is what it is.

If her one is out of line get her to complain... they will/can not do anything , but they might alter the design in future.
Most people do not notice any deviation.
I simply point slightly to the left.
 
Here are my first few images out of it. I'm still not sure if it's for me as I care so much about IQ.

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The23rdman said:
Here are my first few images out of it. I'm still not sure if it's for me as I care so much about IQ.
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The X10 is not designed for ultimate pixel peepers.
It is mainly about normal sized photographs that people actually use and love.

If you use the old establish professional principle that any thing that looks good in the hand as a 10x8 print, will look good at any size on the wall, and at its proper viewing distance. Then the X10 easily positions itself in this bracket.
Other aspects of the IQ are a personal choice and are easily adjustable to taste.
 
The23rdman said:
Here are my first few images out of it. I'm still not sure if it's for me as I care so much about IQ.
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Print those to A3 and see what happens.
Assuming your settings are good (12 Mp, low ISO, sensible shutter, etc) then you should have no issues.
The X10 is not a pixel peepers wet dream, but the print quality at A3 is good enough to make anyone happy!
 
I realise this, guys, and I realised it when I bought it. I'm just having to make that adjustment in reality. When I get out and play with it for street photography, which is why I bought it I'm sure I'll love it. I do love to fondle her though... :D
 
When using the AEL / AEF button to lock focus I cant seem to get the camera to operate the lock.

The standard shooting info bar shows only EL when the AEL / AEF button is locked in and when reviewing images and pressing on the centre of of the Main Command Dial to zoom into the focus point it is never at the point where I operated the focus lock

Please tell me I'm doing something wrong as currently I'm thinking the X10 has a fault.

Regards
Neil.
 
The factory settings only lock while the button is pressed - which is not what you'd think it does!
However...
There are two settings on p4 of the spanner menu for changing it.
I have mine set to:
- AE/AF Lock Mode: ON/OFF Switch
- AE/AF Lock Button: AE Lock Only

Edited to add: for focus lock, I use the focus switch on the front of the camera.
It's easy to switch it over to MF to lock focus and back to AF-S after the shot.
 
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DuncanDisorderly said:
The factory settings only lock while the button is pressed - which is not what you'd think it does!
However...
There are two settings on p4 of the spanner menu for changing it.
I have mine set to:
- AE/AF Lock Mode: ON/OFF Switch
- AE/AF Lock Button: AE Lock Only

Edited to add: for focus lock, I use the focus switch on the front of the camera.
It's easy to switch it over to MF to lock focus and back to AF-S after the shot.
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Thanks for your reply - but;

In the spanner menu I have the AE/AF Lock Mode set to On/Off switch as you do.

When I select AE/AF Lock button in the next menu to either AE/AF Lock or AF lock only, the focus lock fails to lock, in fact in any mode the focus lock fails. AE seems to lock in though.

Confused!

Regards
Neil.
 
Ok I did some test shots when she came in earlier.

This first set is levelled on a tripod, the target is the central square on the focus test sheet which was placed in the centre of the viewfinder, distance is 5 ft for this first set, one shot at each zoom setting.

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These next two are at a distance of 11 ft approx, zoom would be full at this distance for a close head and shoulders shot.
The target is the light switch on the wall, two shots, on at 28mm the other at 112mm
 
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As you can see the target drifts towards the top of the frame on the image as zoom is increased even though the target is central in the OVF meaning that at anything other than 28mm where it matches shots taken using the rear screen, its practically useless for framing a shot.
 
ManVan said:
Thanks for your reply - but;

In the spanner menu I have the AE/AF Lock Mode set to On/Off switch as you do.

When I select AE/AF Lock button in the next menu to either AE/AF Lock or AF lock only, the focus lock fails to lock, in fact in any mode the focus lock fails. AE seems to lock in though.

Confused!

Regards
Neil.
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I just tried it - it works for me.
When AF Lock (or AE/AF Lock) is set there is no focus confirmation bleep when the shutter is half pressed, and the X10 does not refocus.

When the mode is AE Lock, there is a little AE in the bar at the bottom when it is locked.
However, there is nothing in the display to indicate AF Lock (or AE/AF Lock).
That's blimmin confusing - but it seems to work.

I suggest using AE Lock and learning one of two of these focus lock tricks.
1) Use the switch on the front of the camera. Flip to MF to lock focus and fllip back to AF-S after the shot. Don't zoom! If you zoom while focus is lockedthen focus will be lost.
2) Use AE Lock then half press the shutter. Focus will be on the thing you want focussed and will not change while you have the button half pressed. Recompose the shot and press the whole way.
Both techniques allow you to independently lock exposure and focus without using configuring for AF Lock.
 
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iancandler said:
As you can see the target drifts towards the top of the frame on the image as zoom is increased even though the target is central in the OVF meaning that at anything other than 28mm where it matches shots taken using the rear screen, its practically useless for framing a shot.
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I just tried that and mine is the same...
However...
The entire area seen through the OVF is contained in the final shot.
So what you see in the OVF never gets lost.
A light crop is needed to the final image to restore the composition seen through the viewfinder, I can live with that. :)
 
Can't turn external flash on - it's greyed out. Any ideas? No problem last night.
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
I just tried it - it works for me.
When AF Lock (or AE/AF Lock) is set there is no focus confirmation bleep when the shutter is half pressed, and the X10 does not refocus.

When the mode is AE Lock, there is a little AE in the bar at the bottom when it is locked.
However, there is nothing in the display to indicate AF Lock (or AE/AF Lock).
That's blimmin confusing - but it seems to work.

I suggest using AE Lock and learning one of two of these focus lock tricks.
1) Use the switch on the front of the camera. Flip to MF to lock focus and fllip back to AF-S after the shot. Don't zoom! If you zoom while focus is lockedthen focus will be lost.
2) Use AE Lock then half press the shutter. Focus will be on the thing you want focussed and will not change while you have the button half pressed. Recompose the shot and press the whole way.
Both techniques allow you to independently lock exposure and focus without using configuring for AF Lock.
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Duncan,

Thanks for your patience with this.

I've just tried both of your workarounds which do hold focus. When reviewing the images taken via the focus lock workaround however, and pressing the centre position of the Main command dial to zoom in on the focus point it zooms to the last position the camera centered on and not the locked in focus point.

Would you mind trying that on your camera then I'll go away - promise.

Regards
Neil.
 
iancandler said:
Ok I did some test shots when she came in earlier.

This first set is levelled on a tripod, the target is the central square on the focus test sheet which was placed in the centre of the viewfinder, distance is 5 ft for this first set, one shot at each zoom setting.



These next two are at a distance of 11 ft approx, zoom would be full at this distance for a close head and shoulders shot.
The target is the light switch on the wall, two shots, on at 28mm the other at 112mm
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There is still residual Parallax at 11 feet.
I have found that beyond 16feet the parallax error is not much more than 3cm at the target, as you would expect from geometry.

so there is not much point in worrying about closer distances, as this finder like all simple optical viewfinders will be more and more offset the closer you get.

For closeups use the screen where precision is important.

However for heads and shoulders the offset will not be so great as to be cut by the frame. ( I then crop if it is enough to bother me.

In every day use it works as well as all the old non corrected film viewfinders, that I used in the 40's to 70's
 
Nope, it was super macro causing it. Sorted. :)
 
ManVan said:
Duncan,

Thanks for your patience with this.

I've just tried both of your workarounds which do hold focus. When reviewing the images taken via the focus lock workaround however, and pressing the centre position of the Main command dial to zoom in on the focus point it zooms to the last position the camera centered on and not the locked in focus point.

Would you mind trying that on your camera then I'll go away - promise.

Regards
Neil.
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On the menu I have the AFL/AEL set to on off
I use the AFL/AEL Button to Lock exposure (It will stay locked till you change it) You will see EL in a blue square on the rear screen.

I then focus by half pressing the shutter on my chosen subject, it will stay locked as long as you hold the button.

You can not set a separate lock for exposure and focus point. any other way except to set the exposure on manual mode and focus using the front focus switch.
When you have used the focus switch you can bring the camera into focus by pressing the FEL/AEL button ( In this case it only sets the focus point not exposure.)

This is all in the manual albeit poorly explained.
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
What he said :)
And I'd forgotten that the AF Lock button focusses while in MF.

Focus and recompose is definitely the answer to using separate points for exposure and focus.
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Terry/Duncan

Thanks - I now get all that, but,

When reviewing images in camera I thought (according to Alexander Whites- Photographers Guide to The FujiFilm X10) that I should be able to check where I focused by pressing the centre of the dial above the AEL/AEF button?

It appears that option is not available when the image was taken as a focus and recompose.

Thanks for all your help.

Regards
Neil.
 
Mmm..works on mine.

So, focus on something quarter of the way from left hand side. Recompose so that its on the right. Shoot, pressing the centre to zoom and it shows what was under the focus point at time of pressing the shutter.
Your not expecting the camera to zoom in on the object now in a different place in the scene are you ?
 
Had a play with her in P mode with Noah on the garden. I wanted to see how good she was in full auto for Ali. Not bad!

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trevorbray said:
Mmm..works on mine.

So, focus on something quarter of the way from left hand side. Recompose so that its on the right. Shoot, pressing the centre to zoom and it shows what was under the focus point at time of pressing the shutter.
Your not expecting the camera to zoom in on the object now in a different place in the scene are you ?
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Im expecting the zoom function to take me to the focus point i locked onto before i recomposed the shot.

As the book says " Zoom to show focus point" which is not the same as Zoom to show where the camera happened to be pointed when the shutter was pressed.

Clearly Im missing something here.
 
ManVan said:
Im expecting the zoom function to take me to the focus point i locked onto before i recomposed the shot.

As the book says " Zoom to show focus point" which is not the same as Zoom to show where the camera happened to be pointed when the shutter was pressed.

Clearly Im missing something here.
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The camera focuses at the distance of the focus point and holds that focus as long as you hold half press.
There is no link between zoom and focus point.
Focus point is a misnomer. what you have set is a focus distance, where ever you later point, that distance you set will be in focus, what ever happens to be there.

When you zoom there is no guarantee that the focus will be maintained exactly... only the most expensive lenses hold focus over an entire zoom range but it won't be far out. But is still only a distance you have set not a position. Everything that happens to be at that distance will be in focus.
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
The camera focuses at the distance of the focus point and holds that focus as long as you hold half press.
There is no link between zoom and focus point.
Focus point is a misnomer. what you have set is a focus distance, where ever you later point, that distance you set will be in focus, what ever happens to be there.

When you zoom there is no guarantee that the focus will be maintained exactly... only the most expensive lenses hold focus over an entire zoom range but it won't be far out. But is still only a distance you have set not a position. Everything that happens to be at that distance will be in focus.
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Sorry im confusing everyone.

When i say zoom i mean in image review mode. Thats when it should zoom to the focus point.
 
Aparrantly the new fujifilm x-f1 has the same sensor as the x10. Do we reckon it is what is going into the x10s that are being sent in for sensor replacement? Seems likely to me.

I'm actually really tempted to get an x-f1 as a replacement for my x10 if the price is right. More compact seems like to me. I wouldn't miss the viewfinder all too much (I like the x10's viewfinder but am using the screen a lot more now).
 
ManVan said:
Sorry im confusing everyone.

When i say zoom i mean in image review mode. Thats when it should zoom to the focus point.
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It will show the position of the focus point that was used, If you rotate that wheel. Most people use the centre one but if you had used one of the others that one will show in the picture.
 
AESamuel said:
Aparrantly the new fujifilm x-f1 has the same sensor as the x10. Do we reckon it is what is going into the x10s that are being sent in for sensor replacement? Seems likely to me.

I'm actually really tempted to get an x-f1 as a replacement for my x10 if the price is right. More compact seems like to me. I wouldn't miss the viewfinder all too much (I like the x10's viewfinder but am using the screen a lot more now).
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LOL - that's almost exactly the conversation I had earlier.
Looks like all the things I like about the X10, but in a slimline package.

Only negative thing is that the long end of the lens lets in no where near as much light.
So it will be far less effective at capturing office party blackmail shots :)
 
What filters are people using? Is the Marumi UV up to the job?
 
The23rdman said:
What filters are people using? Is the Marumi UV up to the job?
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I have a Marumi UV filter on and have been very happy with it. I do get a bit of flare in bright sun on the lens but who wouldn't? :shrug:
 
I want a filter for protection, Duncan. I'm not fitting a hood because this will be in and out of my pocket a lot.
 
I put the lens cap on when the X10 goes into my pocket.
Lens cap stays in there when the camera comes out.
Besides, I wouldn't trust myself to avoid finger prints on the filter while hauling it out the pocket.
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
I put the lens cap on when the X10 goes into my pocket.
Lens cap stays in there when the camera comes out.
Besides, I wouldn't trust myself to avoid finger prints on the filter while hauling it out the pocket.
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You misunderstand me, mate. I put the lens cap on in my pocket too, but a hood makes it a pain. The filter is simply for protection of the element from sticky two year old fingers and less than observant wifey.
 
What cases u guys using?
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
X10 doesn't need a UV filter.
It is a wonderfully flare resistant camera, if you ever see flare, that's your filter.
Sure, put it on at the beach or rallying, but then take it off.
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I felt a good would be handy. I got quite a bit of flare with mine on hols.
 
AESamuel said:
This one is amazing! Really love it. Were you shooting in JPEG?
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Yeah I used jpeg. I was worried not shooting in raw but all the Pics look fine. In surprised how clever the sensor is and gets a nice balance of exposures in moderate/awkward conditions.
 
One question before i'm tipped over the edge and plop down my money on my first brand new camera :P

Can you do Manual Focus in Video? If someone who has one could check that would be awsome :)

Simon
 
SimonUK said:
One question before i'm tipped over the edge and plop down my money on my first brand new camera :P

Can you do Manual Focus in Video? If someone who has one could check that would be awsome :)

Simon
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I would go as far as to say that vodeo is not its strong point. Like most such cameras it can't manual focus in video.
 
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