The Official Fuji X10/X20/X30/XF1/XQ1 Thread

ACR comes in Lightroom 4 and the X10 is supported. (though not automatic lens corrections like distortions)

However it is not yet up to scratch with processing EXR sensors to full advantage, as ACR is directed to bayer pattern sensors, and they do not seem to have implemented the full codex supplied by Fuji.
As a result it is often impossible to get results from RAF files as good as from in camera Jpeg's.

So while I only shoot raw on my canon, I now do not do so on my X10.
Hopefully things will change.
 
Hi all,

Received mine back today with the "Software Update" that is required on the first X10's that went back for the new sensor. Firmware is still 1.03 so must be something deeper in the camera. Quick service. Sent it to them last Thursday, and back today. So they received and despatched same day. Pretty good!

Regards,
Steve
 
stevebuk said:
Hi all,

Received mine back today with the "Software Update" that is required on the first X10's that went back for the new sensor. Firmware is still 1.03 so must be something deeper in the camera. Quick service. Sent it to them last Thursday, and back today. So they received and despatched same day. Pretty good!

Regards,
Steve
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Another positive experience.
I think I'm going to bite the bullet and see what happens.

Only thing that's annoying me at the moment is that the rubber thumb grip fell off while I was out and about. I can't remember where I put it 'so I wouldn't lose it'.
Unless I get a flash of inspiration then it is going back to Fuji without the rubber grip.
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
Another positive experience.
I think I'm going to bite the bullet and see what happens.

Only thing that's annoying me at the moment is that the rubber thumb grip fell off while I was out and about. I can't remember where I put it 'so I wouldn't lose it'.
Unless I get a flash of inspiration then it is going back to Fuji without the rubber grip.
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Duncan do what I did - I sent mine back with a mark or two on the LCD screen and asked very nicely if they would look at that. They seemed to replace the whole LCD screen but if I hadn't asked I doubt they would of done that.
 
stevebuk said:
Hi all,

Received mine back today with the "Software Update" that is required on the first X10's that went back for the new sensor. Firmware is still 1.03 so must be something deeper in the camera. Quick service. Sent it to them last Thursday, and back today. So they received and despatched same day. Pretty good!

Regards,
Steve
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I decided to send mine in today too for the software update.
Hope it comes back before Friday, its my eldest daughters wedding is on Saturday and it would be nice to take the camera along.
If not, I will just have to fling my X100 in a bag!
Allan
 
stevebuk said:
Hi all,

Received mine back today with the "Software Update" that is required on the first X10's that went back for the new sensor. Firmware is still 1.03 so must be something deeper in the camera. Quick service. Sent it to them last Thursday, and back today. So they received and despatched same day. Pretty good!

Regards,
Steve
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I think they must be taking the mickey with mine then, 3 weeks and still waiting for it to come back obviously not working on first in first out basis!
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
ACR comes in Lightroom 4 and the X10 is supported. (though not automatic lens corrections like distortions)

However it is not yet up to scratch with processing EXR sensors to full advantage, as ACR is directed to bayer pattern sensors, and they do not seem to have implemented the full codex supplied by Fuji.
As a result it is often impossible to get results from RAF files as good as from in camera Jpeg's.

So while I only shoot raw on my canon, I now do not do so on my X10.
Hopefully things will change.
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Lightroom 4 does support the x10 raw files but you just can't seem to pull a good photo with it. At least not compared to the jpegs from the x10. Now when I use my 5d raw files with Lightroom I can create magic. Just can't get the x10 files to pop. Is it just me? Anyone got any tips?
 
Cincojoe said:
Lightroom 4 does support the x10 raw files but you just can't seem to pull a good photo with it. At least not compared to the jpegs from the x10. Now when I use my 5d raw files with Lightroom I can create magic. Just can't get the x10 files to pop. Is it just me? Anyone got any tips?
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It would be good to try and work out what this problem is...
Can you take some RAW + JPEG to illustrate?

I did my tests, made my decision and I now only take RAW.
My last photo trip abroad I only took the X10 and only took RAW, and I do use LR4.
Personally, I've no issues with the results.
I use this image as an HD screen saver and it looks stunning viewed large.
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You can see more (all taken with the X10) at http://www.wild-landscapes.co.uk/Blog/2012-04-15-Copenhagen/23042689_DgQQM8#!i=1853974688&k=PqkZTgB
 
^ nice, lovely colours. Got my X10 last night - had a quick play but didn't have an SD card to hand so camera internal memory can only hold 3 or 4 shots. Don't think I will be shooting RAW if the JPEG quality is as good as everyone says it is

cheers!
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
It would be good to try and work out what this problem is...
Can you take some RAW + JPEG to illustrate?

I did my tests, made my decision and I now only take RAW.
My last photo trip abroad I only took the X10 and only took RAW, and I do use LR4.
Personally, I've no issues with the results.
I use this image as an HD screen saver and it looks stunning viewed large.
20120416-163139-DSCF8338-S.jpg

You can see more (all taken with the X10) at http://www.wild-landscapes.co.uk/Blog/2012-04-15-Copenhagen/23042689_DgQQM8#!i=1853974688&k=PqkZTgB
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Great set of shots and can't argue with your raw conversion results.

How do you deal with the barrel and pincushion distortions in raw? or are you makng individual adjustments?. Do you use any of the EXR priority settings in camera ?

CA is corrected automaticaly in the X10 Jpegs but not in Raw. how do you deal with that?
 
Eightball said:
^ nice, lovely colours. Got my X10 last night - had a quick play but didn't have an SD card to hand so camera internal memory can only hold 3 or 4 shots. Don't think I will be shooting RAW if the JPEG quality is as good as everyone says it is

cheers!
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Thanks :)
Initially I only took JPEG as the RAW converter wasn't available.
The results are in the early part of this thread and IMHO I still can't fault the quality.
The decision to take RAW means extra PP on the computer but does mean you get complete control over white balance and highlight/shadow recovery with the added bonus that the images are a full 12Mp at ISO 100 (can't do that with in camera DR or EXR).

jamin100 said:
Just one from Western Supa-Mare over the weekend
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Can't be Weston-super-Mare, there isn't enough mud! :lol:

Terrywoodenpic said:
Great set of shots and can't argue with your raw conversion results.

How do you deal with the barrel and pincushion distortions in raw? or are you makng individual adjustments?. Do you use any of the EXR priority settings in camera ?

CA is corrected automaticaly in the X10 Jpegs but not in Raw. how do you deal with that?
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Thanks Terry :)

Believe it or not - I rarely correct barrel and pincushion. I have been known to straighten my verticals and remove curvature from the horizon; but I can't really blame the X10 for those as my DSLR is no different.
Because I'm doing nothing different I've never really given it any thought.
Have you got any examples you can share where there is a noticeable difference?

CA on the other hand....
My old LX3 corrected CA in camera, including the RAW files! :eek:
This caused caused quite a rumble on the Panasonic forums and Adobe delayed releasing the RAW converter, possibly in protest. I think the LX3 was the first camera to tinker with the RAW files before the RAW left the camera.
I've no idea if the X10 does something similar, but I can't think of any X10 images where I've corrected CA (not sure how to interrogate LR4 to confirm, so I am going from memory and a few spot checks).
We all know the X10 lens is unusually good at handling flare; maybe it handles CA too?
This image ought to be a prime candidate for CA, but I've just checked at 100% and there isn't a hint.
Again - have you got any examples?
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Hmm.

I bought a second hand X10 because Fuji are like Pokémon - got to collect them all. And I don't get on with it. Maybe I'm impatient, maybe I need to shoot with nothing else for a week or so but I find the viewfinder utterly useless (I can't tell where it's focusing or if it has focused) and the idea of holding camera at arm's length to view the screen fills me with horror.

I was out taking a few snaps in the garden with the X-Pro 1 and thought "I know, I'll get the X10 to show everybody how useless it is". So I pointed it at some dying fuchsias and pressed the button. And it did this.

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Yeah, now I really hate this camera ;)
 
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This is what happens to an Raf file when you sharpen. I have taken it further than necessary to show the mosiac clearly. but it is visable in the lowest settings.

As you can see noise reduction is no help.

It is the result of the problem ACR has with EXR pattern sensors.
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
This is what happens to an Raf file when you sharpen. I have taken it further than necessary to show the mosiac clearly. but it is visable in the lowest settings.

As you can see noise reduction is no help.

It is the result of the problem ACR has with EXR pattern sensors.
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Interesting :gag:
I've never felt the need to touch the sharpen slider with the X10, so I haven't seen it.
A general rule is that you should only ever sharpen an image twice.
First when the RAW is converted into an RGB pixel matrix. LR applies this by default using the sharpening slider set. Defaults are 25, 1.0, 25, 0. As I understand it, these only need changing if you disagree with the approach taken by Adobe.
Secondly when the image is exported for a purpose. This is the last action you ever perform on the image as it depends on the resolution and media. Display on a screen needs different settings to printing. Displaying at HD resolution needs different settings to 1024x768. In Lightroom this sharpening is applied as part of the Export preset.

Clarity on the other hand is a whole different ball game as it changes the tonal relationships of texture in the image and is relevant whatever the output size or media.

Hence I have never touched the sharpening slider, and use Clarity to give the image a boost.
BTW this workflow is identical to my Canon DSLRs.
 
Can someone advise me of the best email address to contact fuji so i can send it back for the sensor upgrade.

Thanks.
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
Interesting :gag:
I've never felt the need to touch the sharpen slider with the X10, so I haven't seen it.
A general rule is that you should only ever sharpen an image twice.
First when the RAW is converted into an RGB pixel matrix. LR applies this by default using the sharpening slider set. Defaults are 25, 1.0, 25, 0. As I understand it, these only need changing if you disagree with the approach taken by Adobe.
Secondly when the image is exported for a purpose. This is the last action you ever perform on the image as it depends on the resolution and media. Display on a screen needs different settings to printing. Displaying at HD resolution needs different settings to 1024x768. In Lightroom this sharpening is applied as part of the Export preset.

Clarity on the other hand is a whole different ball game as it changes the tonal relationships of texture in the image and is relevant whatever the output size or media.

Hence I have never touched the sharpening slider, and use Clarity to give the image a boost.
BTW this workflow is identical to my Canon DSLRs.
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I use an even lower default than standard. 20, 0.7, 25, 0
But the mosiac is visable at anything over about 15 when viewed at 100%

I have heard that Adobe are working on it..... so for now shoot jpeg.
 
Thunderbird010 said:
Can someone advise me of the best email address to contact fuji so i can send it back for the sensor upgrade.

Thanks.
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You can use the contact form on the website. I just phoned them though. Took a couple of minutes and you need your cameras serial number.

Just progressed mine online and apparently my 'camera is being returned to me.' No email though. Does that mean its going to be back tomorrow? Hope so. Miss my X10..
 
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Terrywoodenpic said:
It is the result of the problem ACR has with EXR pattern sensors.
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It's not just EXR patterns though.

Here's a file from a D3. It's actually a client file prepped for their album but still a raw. I went into sharpening and pushed it way over to the right. Here's what you get.

oversharpen.jpg


And here's a Fuji comparison. On the right is the raw file with too much sharpening applied. On the left is the jpeg file pulled out of that raw (I didn't shoot raw + jpeg - just raw and then detached the jpeg) again over sharpened.

sharpen.jpg


Basically it's what LR does if you shove the sharpen too hard.
 
JonathanRyan said:
It's not just EXR patterns though.

Here's a file from a D3. It's actually a client file prepped for their album but still a raw. I went into sharpening and pushed it way over to the right. Here's what you get.
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Excatly what I did to check - except I went to some 5DIII images, both at ISO 100 and higher.
I can tell you that your D3 image looks a darn sight cleaner with the sharpness slider over on the right than my 5DIII images!
My 5DIII images with the sharpness slider all the way on the right have noise artefacts about half way between the D3 posted above and the X10 (at lesser settings) posted earlier.
I know I'm not comparing like for like - but that's the point!
That slider is pure evil :D
 
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ernesto said:
Call Fuji UK Customer services on 08445532322 and give them name, address and serial number.

Found this thing called Google and typed in "X10 Sensor replacement UK".
I think I will become a big user of this Google thing. :)
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Think ive found it thanks guys.
 
Hi, I've been picking through this thread for the last few months and as a result I picked up an x10 a couple of weeks ago. It's an absolute joy to use and it's really made me enjoy just going out and taking pictures for the fun of it, so much so at my dslr has been sitting in its bag since I got it.

So thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread and inspired me to part with my hard earned cash :-)
 
albertdong said:
Hi, I've been picking through this thread for the last few months and as a result I picked up an x10 a couple of weeks ago. It's an absolute joy to use and it's really made me enjoy just going out and taking pictures for the fun of it, so much so at my dslr has been sitting in its bag since I got it.

So thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread and inspired me to part with my hard earned cash :-)
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Apologies....hit send too early! Was wondering if someone could recommend a case for the x10? I like the official fuji leather case but the cost sticks in my throat a bit. Anyone got any suggestions of a good alternative?
 
albertdong said:
Apologies....hit send too early! Was wondering if someone could recommend a case for the x10? I like the official fuji leather case but the cost sticks in my throat a bit. Anyone got any suggestions of a good alternative?
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Many, including me, have this one but others may suggest the posher looking ones that are like the official Fuji version. The bag is a very cosy fit and I carry spare memory cards and batteries. However if you are thinking of getting the lens hood/filter it will be too small.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lowepro-Digital-Camera-Pouch-Panasonic/dp/B000KZ7YDG
 
DayDreamer said:
Many, including me, have this one but others may suggest the posher looking ones that are like the official Fuji version. The bag is a very cosy fit and I carry spare memory cards and batteries. However if you are thinking of getting the lens hood/filter it will be too small.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lowepro-Digital-Camera-Pouch-Panasonic/dp/B000KZ7YDG
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LOL - that's going to be contentious given how many pages there are in this thread dedicated to cases.
I must admit I use one of these myself.

However, if you hanker after a Fuji retro styleeee case then fear not.
A post is bound to appear shortly with a link to an unbelievably good bargain.
There have been several really nice looking ones posted into this thread, but it's getting quite a monster effort to read back and find the links!

Edited to add....
If anyone wants to recommend a link to be added into the first post, fire away!
I'll take Daydreamers link as the first entry :thumbs:
 
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DuncanDisorderly said:
It would be good to try and work out what this problem is...
Can you take some RAW + JPEG to illustrate?

I did my tests, made my decision and I now only take RAW.
My last photo trip abroad I only took the X10 and only took RAW, and I do use LR4.
Personally, I've no issues with the results.
I use this image as an HD screen saver and it looks stunning viewed large.
20120416-163139-DSCF8338-S.jpg

You can see more (all taken with the X10) at http://www.wild-landscapes.co.uk/Blog/2012-04-15-Copenhagen/23042689_DgQQM8#!i=1853974688&k=PqkZTgB
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Looks like I have some work to do. :bonk:
 
Hey all - returned back from Cornwall. Lovely time. Too many photos to go through though - still have to sort through my Croatia set before getting anywhere near the Cornwall photos :lol:

Anyway Duncan - another one for you to add. Here's my Kaza case. It’s been reliable and it’s certainly been swung about!

souldeep said:
I've gone for a simple case as I want to be able to just click away quickly rather than dig it out of a bag. I just couldn't resist looking at the vintage quality of the build. I'll let you know more about the product once its delivered...

x10vt1.jpg


:love:
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souldeep said:
Hey all - returned back from Cornwall. Lovely time. Too many photos to go through though - still have to sort through my Croatia set before getting anywhere near the Cornwall photos :lol:

Anyway Duncan - another one for you to add. Here's my Kaza case. It’s been reliable and it’s certainly been swung about!
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*** - please can you post the link where you got it from?
Then I'll add the link to the first post.

I know I could get a whole load of links by reading back through the thread.
But asking to recommendations seems a good idea to me as you've had time to know if they are any good.

I think I missed recommended batteries.....
 
Most of these cases are made of PU Leather. which will not last anything like real hide. but still makes nice cases. it is less suitable for straps, as it does not have the strength or endurance.
But for the price these cases are good value and should last a few years.




PU leather, aka Bycast Leather, is Reconstituted Leather (small leather scraps) or Bonded Leather that is layered with thick Polyurethane to give it a sheen like real leather. The image of such a process that comes to my mind is like gluing scraps of wood together and pack it really tight to look & feel like real wood.

Since it is synthetic material, it doesn't last as long as real leather. However, for a handbag, I personally think it is ok to use. For shoes, I wouldn't recommend it though, as shoes tend to wear out faster and Polyurethane is not a breathable material like leather.
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DuncanDisorderly said:
*** - please can you post the link where you got it from?
Then I'll add the link to the first post.

I know I could get a whole load of links by reading back through the thread.
But asking to recommendations seems a good idea to me as you've had time to know if they are any good.

I think I missed recommended batteries.....
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Sorry Duncan.

http://www.kaza-deluxe.com/detail.php?id=142
 
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