The Official Fuji X10/X20/X30/XF1/XQ1 Thread

Seriously considering one of these , Had a play in jessops today and was impressed
Not a deal breaker but does it come with a strap? I've only seen them with the leather case or nothing at all
 
Kev, did you have water on the lens in that last one, or an errant clone tool? :lol: Some lovely pics though :thumbs:


I currently have my mitts on an X100, borrowed and been playing with it to get the hang of the settings and menus before using it in anger tomorrow night. If the X10 is as capable pound for pound as the x100, it will be a worthwhile investment. ;)



Oh and while they are doing THIS with the X100, wonder if they could manage a part metalled version of the X10 :D
 
Dan74 said:
Seriously considering one of these , Had a play in jessops today and was impressed
Not a deal breaker but does it come with a strap? I've only seen them with the leather case or nothing at all
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Yep, the X10 comes with a strap. I've also just taken delivery of a VERY nice chinese replica of the official X10 case; BUT, in dark brown leather and it also comes with a matching strap too, will post a photo up soon :)

Yv said:
Kev, did you have water on the lens in that last one, or an errant clone tool? :lol: Some lovely pics though :thumbs:


I currently have my mitts on an X100, borrowed and been playing with it to get the hang of the settings and menus before using it in anger tomorrow night. If the X10 is as capable pound for pound as the x100, it will be a worthwhile investment. ;)



Oh and while they are doing THIS with the X100, wonder if they could manage a part metalled version of the X10 :D
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Haha, I guess that's what I get for rushing my processing :bonk: Issue now sorted and image re-processed!
 
I got a really nice case for the X10 from ebay from China for just over £12, I am using the nice strap that came with this on my Mamiya C330f as it is in perfect keeping.

It is not an ever ready case, more of a transportation and storage case. It really is amazing how they can make such things for so little and yet made so well.

Actual fit is better than it looks due to the larger lens cap (49mm) fitted to the 40-49mm filter adapter. Luckily for me I have a decent range of 49mm filters as they fit on both OM and PK lenses as well as the Mamiya now with the purchase of a 46-49mm adapter (it helps that they are probably the cheapest filters available too).


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Can someone please post something to deter impoverished potential buyers of this small object of desire?

I handled one today...
 
I think I just worked out something important regards image quality.
Here's two images taken at the same time using RAW + JPEG.

1) DR400 JPEG straight out the camera and cropped to match the processed RAW.
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2) RAW processed to my liking.
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I worked to the RAW to my satisfaction before comparing with the out-of-camera JPEG; and they are astonishingly close. The X10 DR400 has done a marvellous job of interpreting the tones in the scene!

3) For comparison, here's the RAW processed using LR3 defaults cropped to match.
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This confirms everything I've previously said when I recommended using RAW + JPEG.
The JPEG gives an idea of how much tonal detail the finished image is capable of containing, and you also have the RAW for ultimate quality.
So far so good....

But here's the rub...
To use DR400 the ISO has been upped to ISO 400, and the high ISO has forced a shutter speed of 1/900s with an aperture of f9.
I can live with ISO 400; it's not perfect but printing to A3 it is acceptable.
But f9 has killed the remaining fine detail by diffraction.
The result is an image that will struggle to produce an exhibition quality A3 print.

And here's what I should have done....
I did some quick DR tests over New Year, and I think the amount of highlight detail recoverable from RAW is similar at ISO 100 and ISO 400.
If I'm right then this image would have been significantly higher quality taken in RAW at ISO 100. The wider aperture would have avoided diffraction and the image would have been noise free.
I wouldn't have an out-the-camera JPEG, but :shrug:

I'm seriously contemplating going back to just taking in RAW except for Panorama and Pro Low Light.
Thoughts please!
 
Not liking this thread, it's threatening my wallet!!!

Duncan, you may well be right if you want to produce an exhibition quality print, but isnt that what you lug your DSLR around for? isnt the Fuji for convenience, if not why keep the DSLR?

(It's a dilema I am looking st, if i get an X10 do i really need my DSLR's?)
 
Dave Pickett said:
Not liking this thread, it's threatening my wallet!!!

Duncan, you may well be right if you want to produce an exhibition quality print, but isnt that what you lug your DSLR around for? isnt the Fuji for convenience, if not why keep the DSLR?

(It's a dilema I am looking st, if i get an X10 do i really need my DSLR's?)
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What is annoying me about my earlier post is that I've already proved to myself that the X10 is capable of producing exhibition quality A3 prints.
But on this occasion I've failed to produce that level of image quality.
It's down to poor technique on my part; no other reason.

I've not given up on my 5DII !!!!
But the weather was so bad that I only carried the DSLR kit with me on four days out of ten, and only got the camera out the bag on one occasion !!!!!
Whereas the X10 got used almost every day.
The X10 stood up to the abuse very well. It became part of my evening routine to take the battery out, extend the lens and leave the X10 near a radiator to dry out. Quite a few days also needed a rinse down with a damp cloth to remove the salt from the body.
I guess I'm being slightly precious about my replacement 5DII since I recently wrote the other one off in stormy weather.
 
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Stwlan Dam Near blaenau ffestiniog, taken yesterday

No image editing whatsoever, it has been cropped and resized in photoshop
Fuji X10 - Landscape Mode / Pre-set
 
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set mode dial to SP, then you can choose 1 of 16 "Scene Positions" (sorry not pre-sets) i chose Landscape and this is what i got out of the X10
 
RTFM Duncan :lol: It's one of the few things that is actually in there :thumbs:
 
LOL - see earlier posts (lots of them) about the FM (as RTFM).

I read every page when I got the X10 and have never opened it since.
I do have an electronic copy of the manual which is much faster for searching for something specific I'm struggling with (used once so far, but will no doubt use again).
But generally speaking, the manual is a pile of manure.....

Anyway - with my Canon background....
Scene mode is for ejits; and on principle I never used it.

Looks like I still have a few tricks still to learn :rules:
 
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DuncanDisorderly said:
And here's what I should have done....
I did some quick DR tests over New Year, and I think the amount of highlight detail recoverable from RAW is similar at ISO 100 and ISO 400.
If I'm right then this image would have been significantly higher quality taken in RAW at ISO 100. The wider aperture would have avoided diffraction and the image would have been noise free.
I wouldn't have an out-the-camera JPEG, but :shrug:

I'm seriously contemplating going back to just taking in RAW except for Panorama and Pro Low Light.
Thoughts please!
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I think the camera processes some outstanding images in jpg but i think if you know what youre doing with LR and PS then shoot in raw. Im finding it annoying some of the presets the camera forces on you when you put it in certain modes and for the sake of 20 mins work in photoshop youre better off just sticking with Raw.

We've been lured back into the darkside of using camera presets in the belief that it really is as good, but its not really beacuse of all the little corners that are being cut (very close mind)

Will be very interesing to see what the xPro 1 is like for in camera processing :) Plus theres a firmware coming out for the x10 again soon so hopefully some tweaks to remove a few of those corner cuts.
 
essexash said:
I think the camera processes some outstanding images in jpg but i think if you know what youre doing with LR and PS then shoot in raw. Im finding it annoying some of the presets the camera forces on you when you put it in certain modes and for the sake of 20 mins work in photoshop youre better off just sticking with Raw.

We've been lured back into the darkside of using camera presets in the belief that it really is as good, but its not really beacuse of all the little corners that are being cut (very close mind)

Will be very interesing to see what the xPro 1 is like for in camera processing :) Plus theres a firmware coming out for the x10 again soon so hopefully some tweaks to remove a few of those corner cuts.
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I agree raw is defo the way to go at all times, i took this photo as i was curious of what the pre-set can do, i would never usually use a pre-set on any camera, i like to think i generally know better and shoot in Manual

Daz
 
If nothing else this spread is inspiring me to get my S5 pro back in use, if there is one thing Fuji know its colour and dynamic range......*

*er thats 2 things I guess!
 
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Fujifilm X10
Aperture Priority - Raw
ISO 400
Aperture F7
Exposure 1/850

View down the valley towards the coast as the sun was setting this evening.
 
look, will you lot stop putting these pictures up?

its getting ever more difficult to resist this camera, and think carefully about the future of my DSLR's!!!!!!!

Bonus coming in March pretty sure where a chunk of it is going!!!!
 
urdygurdy said:
...View down the valley towards the coast as the sun was setting this evening.
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That's gorgeous Darren! Well done mate! :)

Dave Pickett said:
...Bonus coming in March pretty sure where a chunk of it is going!!!!
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Look on the bright side Dave... It'll be cheaper by then! :D

I did a photoshoot this afternoon with a local young lady and used the X10 for a few... I even tried the 'Pro-Focus' mode out.
 
Dave Pickett said:
its getting ever more difficult to resist this camera, and think carefully about the future of my DSLR's!!!!!!!
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Don't believe the hype my lad, it's no DSLR killer. It's a jumped up point-and-shoot. Albeit a good un with a few useful features and nice output, but it's still a compact camera.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing the camera, I bought it as a compact P&S that produces quality files, that could do more if pushed (which it can). For what I wanted it for I have no complaints (apart from the blasted 'orbs'), and if it had a decent viewfinder it would be superb. As a lightweight, unobtrusive camera it is really good. It's what it is, but it ain't a DSLR by a long shot.

I'm don't make a habit of taking pretty pictures or fussing over IQ and processing, so here's two of my shoddy images taken with the X10 today.

Colours are great.

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It's handy for shooting 'from the hip'.

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It's a nice camera which expect I'll be using a lot (for convenience alone), but it's not 'there' yet (IMO) and I'll certainly not be ditching the DSLRs.

To end on an upbeat note these are some of the things I already like about the X10:

Neat and lovely to hold.
Colours.
ISO capabilities for available light shooting.
Macro modes.
Pro focus!
Silent operation.
Focusing seems snappy.

Things I dislike:

Viewfinder.
Sub-command dial moves if you look at it.
Different thread in the shutter release than my bulb release.
 
Thanks Duncan. :)

It's not the easiest mode to use for portraits mainly because you've got to keep still while it takes each shot but it certainly works. It's not something I'll be inclined to use on a regular basis though.

Half the fun of the X10 is figuring out what it's capable of. :)
 
Dave Pickett said:
look, will you lot stop putting these pictures up?

its getting ever more difficult to resist this camera, and think carefully about the future of my DSLR's!!!!!!!

Bonus coming in March pretty sure where a chunk of it is going!!!!
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I kind of agree with "Ed Sutton" its defo not a DSLR killer, nor is it meant to be, its still a bl00dy brilliant bit of kit for the money, the IQ, size, weight & looks is what i bought the x10 for, to carry around with me on days when i am not out photographing but i wish to carry a camera just in case the need arises.

Spiritflier, that a pretty dam good portrait, great work :clap:

Daz
 
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This thread is slowly sinking into the depths of TP..... so, as promised, here is a quick photo of my brown leather case minus the top half which I left off for the shot. Excuse the lens cap, it was the only 52mm one I had :D

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And....


.... anyone else taking this camera a little too seriously??

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This thread is wonderful and I'm waiting for a paypal payment to clear before I order mine.

I'm going to make a go with this as my only cameras for a while. Tired of lugging SLRs about wherever I go. Especially since I can fit my Cokin filters to it!

Keep the pictures coming please! I'm enjoying the inspiration!

Jim
 
Hmmm - Panorama mode works even better than I thought.... :thinking:
I recently gave a 30min practical demonstration of how to do panoramas using three different techniques.
I used my X10 for the demonstration and used the Camera Club audience as the subject.
Lighting was terrible.

1) Use a wide angle lens and crop - P-mode, 7.1mm, ISO 1250, 1/30s. Looking at 100% there was evidence of camera shake. Usable, but will not be printable bigger than A4.

2) Take lots of shots and stitch - Five shots zoomed in a bit - P-mode, 12.7mm, ISO 2500, 1/50s. Bad camera shake visible on several of the shots. Bad stitching artefacts because of parallax errors between the shots. Quality is rubbish; this is only any good as a pure record shot.

3) In-camera black magic - EXIF says 7.9mm, ISO 2500, f2.2, 1/90s. Looks like the X10 upped the ISO because the camera was panning continuously. Results are perfect!!!!
Looking at 100% the results are very sharp and I could find no stitching artefacts. :gag:

I took all the shots before post-processing in LR3 on a laptop and projector live in front of the whole club. The results from 1 (crop) and 2 (stitch) were pretty much what everybody expected and people were crediting the X10 with producing decent images given how bad the light was.
But as soon as the image from 3 (in-camera) went up and I zoomed to 100%, there was a collective stunned silence. It wasn't just subtly better, it was WAY better. I hadn't expected this result either!

After my presentation a few people came up to me, all with the same question.
"Please tell me again what camera you were using..."
 
Quick snap of Snapper73 (Scott) when he called around this afternoon, and it really was a quick snap, turned on aimed and fired.

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I really need someone to give me a reason or two NOT to get one of these X10's ! I see that with discounts I can get a refurbished one + case from fuji for £386.
 
That's really not possible :)

I am so impressed at how capable and computer this little beast is... And that's before you consider it's looks. Don't hesitate, just get it!!
 
Obviously not computer, I meant competent but pred txt beat me to it :(
 
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