The Official Fuji X Pro 1 Thread

ChrisR said:
(Your Camera Bag is uninformative, maybe becaues it changes so often, Dean?)
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Precisely that, although I won't be changing much for a while now. I won't list anything I'm selling on this thread, of course, but it won't be everything. I love my FE2 too much to part with it :D

I've also just ordered some adapters from Amazon for Canon FD, Nikon AI and Olympus OM lenses, didn't think to order an M42 at the same time though. I'm going to see how a few of my favourite lenses perform before deciding whether they should go too.
 
I love my Xpro1 with 35mm lens, although its been neglected recently since getting My Nikon D7100, so i have just purchased a 18-55mm lens for it, must say i really like the new lens & again cant put the camera down, i like the flexibility of a zoom :-)
 
Just a heads up the firmware v3.0 is available. Congratulations Fuji, some nice updates. Focus peaking is cracking. Lenses seem much more responsive.
 
Initial impressions of V3:

- Peaking is nice, but only usable on the LCD rather than the EVF since you can't really notice it since the EVF is quite low res. Using the 3x magnification helps. Fuji will be including different colours for the peaking in upcoming f/w updates, so not too fussed. In any case, it makes confirming MF focus much faster.

- AF on the 18mm is faster, much more positive feeling and less prone to hesitation. Same for the 35mm (although not as fast as the 18mm).

- No Auto ISO min. shutter speed, but that will be included in future updates too. I was never really bothered by that in the first place anyway, I just set the shutter speed on the dial to get around that - although that makes the camera work in shutter+aperture combo priority rather than having a proper min speed.
 
Regarding the Focus peaking I can see it very clearly in the EVF. The lenses are working very nicely, the 55-200 needs a tweek though its not fast at all indoors.
 
Yes, you can see it, but the colour of the peaking and the resolution of the screen is such that it isn't readily noticeable, especially if you're using lenses that are <75mm equiv, have a deep DOF, or in low light. It's much easier to spot on the LCD, and having a contrasting colour like red for the peaking will make manually focusing a lot faster. The amount of peaking is perfect actually, just the contrast between the image and the highlighting needs to be tweaked.
 
One tip I saw elsewhere is to set the jpeg emulation to sepia and the peaking stands out more in the EVF. Of course, this means you need to be shooting RAW (or be happy with sepia shots).
 
I've just received an email from Fuji saying that firmware version 3.01 is now available.

So, apply it tonight or wait a couple of days to see if this one gets pulled too...
 
May already be on here but spotted this deal at Jessops (I haven't analysed the prices to see how they compare but...)

X-Pro 1 Body
35mm f1.4
18mm f2

£1199.99

I'd rather have one or the other lenses and well, i'm falling for the 14mm which is a bit more than those lenses on their own.

Going selling rates for those lenses on here is around £300 each. So effectively and more or less I could get the 14mm if I managed to sell those two lenses. And it'd be around 1199.
 
I have just picked up the Xpro1 having sold my XE1.

I'm still trying to figure out why the auto focus is slightly slower when using the optical viewfinder?
 
^^

I switched the 'power save' to off, that has sorted the issue.
 
Has anyone shot with an OMD and an X-pro1?

I have an OMD, but I have been reading a lot about the fuji recently and just wonder if I am missing something.......

I "think" its just different, offers a different "look", believe it maybe better at high iso than the OMD, has an equally cool retro look at the OMD but its a rangefinder design.

Be really interesting to hear what others have to say on this, i realise this is the Fuji thread but I feel its directly related. I might also ask this in the OMD thread also.

I have seen the recent offer on till 31st August for the X-pro1, 35 1.4 and free 18mm f2 which started this whole thought process off.
 
I had both systems for a while, XP1 plus 18, 35 and 60mm lenses, OMD plus 12, 45 and 75mm lenses. I have no doubt that both cameras can produce lovely shots and follow the work of Damien Lovegrove (Fuji) and Damian McGillicuddy (OMD), two top pros using these cameras.

The huge difference for me was in the mode of operation. I find the Fuji's a bit more old fashioned and basic. I use the electronic viewfinder now almost all the time so the rangefinder element isn't relevant for me. All I do is set the iso and aperture then ride the exposure compensation dial. I shoot in Raw so few of the other settings are relevant.

The olympus is the other end of the spectrum. While you could shoot in the same simple way, the OMD has so many adjustments you can make, different ways you can shoot (I did like taking shots by touching the rear screen), fancy off-camera flash command systems etc etc. I found using the OMD like using a tiny DSLR and the Fuji like shooting with my old film cameras.

Ergonomics are a lot different. The OMD is too small for me and I needed to add the full grip to get close to something comfortable. The Fuji is big and heavy in comparison and sat better in my hands.

Shots do look different but it isn't clear to me whether one is better than the other. I happen to like the Fuji rendering but others don't. I am a sucker for a shallow depth of field shot so the Fuji's larger sensor helps. Once the 58/1.2 comes out I will have a hard time resisting.

If you really use the OMD's fast AF and IS then I don't think the Fuji is for you, at least not with primes as they lack IS. AF is still sluggish after the firmware changes - perfectly reasonable and not something I worry about, but the AF on the OMD is exceptional.

The Fuji's are well worth a play - I ended up getting one despite going into the shop to get a Canon 5DIII - but the difference in the quality of the photos isn't likely to be huge IMO.
 
ianmarsh said:
I had both systems for a while, XP1 plus 18, 35 and 60mm lenses, OMD plus 12, 45 and 75mm lenses. I have no doubt that both cameras can produce lovely shots and follow the work of Damien Lovegrove (Fuji) and Damian McGillicuddy (OMD), two top pros using these cameras.

The huge difference for me was in the mode of operation. I find the Fuji's a bit more old fashioned and basic. I use the electronic viewfinder now almost all the time so the rangefinder element isn't relevant for me. All I do is set the iso and aperture then ride the exposure compensation dial. I shoot in Raw so few of the other settings are relevant.

The olympus is the other end of the spectrum. While you could shoot in the same simple way, the OMD has so many adjustments you can make, different ways you can shoot (I did like taking shots by touching the rear screen), fancy off-camera flash command systems etc etc. I found using the OMD like using a tiny DSLR and the Fuji like shooting with my old film cameras.

Ergonomics are a lot different. The OMD is too small for me and I needed to add the full grip to get close to something comfortable. The Fuji is big and heavy in comparison and sat better in my hands.

Shots do look different but it isn't clear to me whether one is better than the other. I happen to like the Fuji rendering but others don't. I am a sucker for a shallow depth of field shot so the Fuji's larger sensor helps. Once the 58/1.2 comes out I will have a hard time resisting.

If you really use the OMD's fast AF and IS then I don't think the Fuji is for you, at least not with primes as they lack IS. AF is still sluggish after the firmware changes - perfectly reasonable and not something I worry about, but the AF on the OMD is exceptional.

The Fuji's are well worth a play - I ended up getting one despite going into the shop to get a Canon 5DIII - but the difference in the quality of the photos isn't likely to be huge IMO.
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Thank you Ian for taking the time to reply. Thats a very detailed and honest insight which is exactly what I was after.

I too follow both Damian's. I to am a sucker for DOF, I also hanker after a Leica M9 and in a way this would fit that quite well. I know its nothing like a Leica really but its the whole range finder retro thing.

I also have the 12, 45 and 75 lenses for my OMD as well as the 17 1.8 and 60 macro too.

I understand what you are saying about the menus on the OMD also, I am well used to them now and find the amount of customisation impressive although a lot of it I don't use.

I also need the grip as did you. I think their is a definite "Fuji" look to the images from the Xpro which I do like.

I might have to have a play with one and see what I think however if there isn't a massive difference between the two then perhaps it may not be worth it.
 
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Sorry to go off on a tangent a little but people do know that these cameras are not rangefinders don't they? A RF is a specific thing not just a camera with an OVF in the top left hand corner. I do wonder why RF comes into the conversation so much when many film cameras which were not RF's have the VF in the same position.

I too like shallow DoF if the subject suits but DoF is a duel edged sword and if you're close to the subject a FF camera at wide aperture may give DoF that's a little too shallow and the aperture may need to be stopped down leading to lower shutter speeds or higher ISO's. I think that this is one area in which there's an advantage in using a camera with a smaller sensor as you can get adequate DoF at a faster shutter speed / lower ISO. For example if FF DoF is too shallow at 50mm and f1.4 you may need to stop down to f2.8 or smaller and once you start stopping down the smaller sensor camera begins to offer advantages when fitted with a wider angle (for equidistant FoV) lens and shooting at wider apertures.

I think that for me the sweet spot for handheld shooting in lower light such as indoor shooting is actually APS-C or MFT rather than FF because it's easier to get adequate DoF without the shutter speed falling too low or the ISO rising too high.

I'll probably take a long hard look at the first interchangeable FF cameras (Nex? Fuji X?) but I may stick to a smaller system as I think that they offer real advantages for hand held shooting.
 
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woof woof said:
Sorry to go off on a tangent a little but people do know that these cameras are not rangefinders don't they? A RF is a specific thing not just a camera with an OVF in the top left hand corner. I do wonder why RF comes into the conversation so much when many film cameras which were not RF's have the VF in the same position.

I too like shallow DoF if the subject suits but DoF is a duel edged sword and if you're close to the subject a FF camera at wide aperture may give DoF that's a little too shallow and the aperture may need to be stopped down leading to lower shutter speeds or higher ISO's. I think that this is one area in which there's an advantage in using a camera with a smaller sensor as you can get adequate DoF at a faster shutter speed / lower ISO. For example if FF DoF is too shallow at 50mm and f1.4 you may need to stop down to f2.8 or smaller and once you start stopping down the smaller sensor camera begins to offer advantages when fitted with a wider angle (for equidistant FoV) lens and shooting at wider apertures.

I think that for me the sweet spot for handheld shooting in lower light such as indoor shooting is actually APS-C or MFT rather than FF because it's easier to get adequate DoF without the shutter speed falling too low or the ISO rising too high.

I'll probably take a long hard look at the first interchangeable FF cameras (Nex? Fuji X?) but I may stick to a smaller system as I think that they offer real advantages for hand held shooting.
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Hi Alan,

I will asume this is aimed at me. I do of course realise its not a rangefinder. I did say "rangfinder design" in my original post. What i meant was the styling, I love the look of the X-pro1.

Anyway you raise some ver valid points regarding aps-c and mft cameras and dof control.

And I think you could be onto something in terms of waiting for the first batch of full frame small cameras. I wonder if/when that will happen.
 
If you believe the rumour sites (and they seem to have a good record) the FF Nex should be announced in September. I've not read anything about a FF Fuji X but I suppose once one company brings one out others will follow.

As I said, I'll look but I may well keep a small sensor system but I suppose my reasoning is weakened by the ever higher ISO's these cameras will go to but of course a small sensor camera will always give you a higher shutter speed and/or lower ISO at equiv. DoF.
 
There wont be a FF fuji X as the lens mount isn't physically large enough to shoe horn a FF sensor inside its confines.
Fuji have also confirmed to AP that the Fuji X lenses that are in production and planned are not suitable for FF as the image circle would not cover the sensor.

I can't see them launching another complete lens range just to get into the FF market, especially when the X trans does so well in comparison tests.

They could however release a FF version of the X100 with either a fixed prime lens or fixed zoom lens, thats technically do-able.
 
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I'm not sure why so many people object to the Xpro1 being described as a rangefinder. Yes technically it isn't because of the way it focuses, But that is entirely it. I'm not sure people only buy a rangefinder for the manual range focusing - I'm sure most would choose a range finder because of the smaller size, less intimidating nature of the design, and for the ability to see outside the frame lines. And not to mention the aesthetically pleasing looks.... All of which the Xpro1 has (imo) but with the benefit of auto focus.
 
1. It isn't a rangefinder.
2. I own and have owned quite a few cameras with the VF in the top LH corner and they aren't/weren't rangefinders either.
3. It's perfectly possibe to have a small camera with a VF in the top LH corner that isn't a RF, as per 2. I still have 3 cameras like that and none are RF's.
:D

4. And I did say sorry for going of at a tangent.
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I've been wondering about a XPro-1 or a XE-1 recently, and was moving towards the former because I love the idea of an OVF with >100% view (so i can see what's coming). Today in the Royal Mile in Edinburgh I saw someone with a XPro-1 for the first time, and it's MASSIVE! I should have gone up and chatted with him but hung back listening to the busker and he went off. (It's a pain there are so few camera shops around these days, it's hard getting to physically handle gear.)

Do folk find the size an issue?
 
ChrisR said:
I've been wondering about a XPro-1 or a XE-1 recently, and was moving towards the former because I love the idea of an OVF with >100% view (so i can see what's coming). Today in the Royal Mile in Edinburgh I saw someone with a XPro-1 for the first time, and it's MASSIVE! I should have gone up and chatted with him but hung back listening to the busker and he went off. (It's a pain there are so few camera shops around these days, it's hard getting to physically handle gear.)

Do folk find the size an issue?
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Massive really? Compared to my D3 it's tiny, it's about the right sixe for me, had an Lx3 a couple of years ago and found that too tiny. I can lug my X pro and 4 lenses around all day and not feel any weight. It's a great system.
 
I think the body and 35mm lens is roughly the same size as my FE2 with its 50mm, so not compact but not massive either. Perfect size for me though.
 
X-Pro 1 is certainly a lot lighter than a DSLR but its physically bigger than the other Compact System Cameras.
It is a cracker of a camera though, I had a toss up between an XP1 and the Nikon D600 a few months back but utimately decided that I'd prefer the DSLR, but then I tend to use primes, with my Nikon 24mm D the D600 doesn't seem much more hassle to carry than a CSC.
I've had an OMD and an X-Pro 1 in the past but with the OMD also needed the extra grip to make it comfortable for me to hold, that said I found IQ from both to be excellent and enjoyed the fact that I could carry my entire OMD Kit (OMD Gripped, 17mm, 25mm, 45mm & 100-300) in a small bag and take it with me daily.

After carting my D600 on holiday I'm actually quite tempted to pickup another OMD with some primes and use it alongside the Nikon to see what I'd prefer to keep.
 
I've got fairly small hands and I find the gripped X-Pro1 to be a perfect fit, much more comfortable than my old canon dslr as well.
Its also as said, as light as a feather which is quite amazing for an all metal bodied camera.
 
Thanks for the comments folks. I managed to get a play with a XPro 1 + 18mm lens in John Lewis today, and it certainly doesn't feel as big in the hands as it looked from a short distance. In fact it felt brilliant! Nice and light, as said; I suspect lighter than my Pentax MX + 85mm lens, though follishly I didn't take the latter out of my bag for a comparison.

It took me a few minutes to get used to the OVF; darn fool that I am, I was turning an imaginary focus ring and looking for the RF patch, until brain got engaged! In the dim light of JL, I didn't see anything much to complain of with the auto-focus speed.

I love the OVF, so bright, and great to be able to see round the edge of the frame. Does the OVF zoom with the 35mm and 60mm lenses, or does the frame just get smaller?
 
New X-Pro owner signing in - arrived this week after I finally decided to take the plunge and sell off the various Canon kit that I owned but was using less and less, and get something a little more compact.

I bought with the 35mm 1.4, with the 18mm to follow courtesy of the deal that Jessops have running (until tomorrow anyway!)

I need to give it a proper play over the weekend but I love the lens already!

One question - are any of you using off-camera flash with the X-Pro? I enjoy a dabble with OCF but my kit is definitely of the cheap & cheerful variety, so Yongnuo speedlites and trigger kit. So far I've got the flash to function on camera but the camera hates my YN602 trigger.

Any alternative suggestions would be very welcome (also posted this query in the Lighting sub forum but I thought it might be more relevant in here)
 
Very expensive addition at the moment. Will wait for one to turn up at the refurb store, saved quite a bit on my 14mm doing this.
 
Moski said:
New X-Pro owner signing in - arrived this week after I finally decided to take the plunge and sell off the various Canon kit that I owned but was using less and less, and get something a little more compact.

I bought with the 35mm 1.4, with the 18mm to follow courtesy of the deal that Jessops have running (until tomorrow anyway!)

I need to give it a proper play over the weekend but I love the lens already!

One question - are any of you using off-camera flash with the X-Pro? I enjoy a dabble with OCF but my kit is definitely of the cheap & cheerful variety, so Yongnuo speedlites and trigger kit. So far I've got the flash to function on camera but the camera hates my YN602 trigger.

Any alternative suggestions would be very welcome (also posted this query in the Lighting sub forum but I thought it might be more relevant in here)
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Done a couple of shoots at studios using their triggers, and there doesn't seem to be any issues with rft's - though i always work in manual - so not sure about ETTL (II).
 
My 18mm via rebate came today. Pretty annoyed that my attention has been majorly diverted, shan't go into it, but suffice it to say the lens is STILL in the packaging grrrr

Fair play to Fuji for turning it around pretty quick.

Also my charger failed for my X100S, they took it back and sent a new one immediately. That's the spirit Fuji! Now let's see what happens in the new year.

Thinking the 14 2.8 with the 56 1.2 (jan i think) or hopefully a longer fast prime will come march / April. Just wish listing! An 85 would be good. Then I could have 14, 35, 85 or 14,56,85 to he more sensible. Poor old 18mm may not get much of a look in. Well after the 14mm is in the collection!
 
Is an 85 going to be a problem with the OVF?
 
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