The new Sony A9 - What are your thoughts

[jonneymendoza]

Are you sure about that?

Yea that's is what I heard.

Anyways they ain't full frame bodies.

Who was first to release in mirror less? Fuji or Sony?

And have you been living under a rock these past few years? They have released new lenses almost once a month for the last few years! What's missing?

Not too much.

300/400/600mm primes and some very specialised uwa zooms.

From 20mm to 200mm they are pretty much covered.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Seems like Sony can't win some of your hearts.

You complain they dont release new lenses? They reply and release a new lens almost every month.

No sports body? They announce A9.

Give them time.

Or just admire nikon etc then and just ignore sony

 

[pete 1]

Seems like Sony can't win some of your hearts.

You complain they dont release new lenses? They reply and release a new lens almost every month.

No sports body? They announce A9.

Give them time.

Or just admire nikon etc then and just ignore sony

I will, as a hobbyist I wouldn't pay that kind of money anyway. Well I might if I were rich [emoji23]

 

[jonneymendoza]

Yes but no real sports lenses, yet they produce a sports body, nikon already had the lenses for the d500

Can you remind how old nikon have been in this game for?

Can you also remind me what the state was of nikon during the first 5 years of releasing the current mounted full frame family? Did they already have all those lenses as well as everything in the middle end and wide end? I imagine back in the 90s or was it 80s?

 

[twist]

Yea that's is what I heard.

Anyways they ain't full frame bodies.

Who was first to release in mirror less? Fuji or Sony?

And have you been living under a rock these past few years? They have released new lenses almost once a month for the last few years! What's missing?

Not too much.

300/400/600mm primes and some very specialised uwa zooms.

From 20mm to 200mm they are pretty much covered.

From who your Sony pals lol.

Did I say they haven't released lenses? Great if you like slower primes and adapted though. Also overhyped fast zooms.

Good you're standing up for Sony so much now you've preordered the A9, weren't you tearing holes recently? Hope your 'sports' camera survives.

Keep trying to justify your camera like you did with the a7rii.

 

[pete 1]

Can you remind how old nikon have been in this game for?

Can you also remind me what the state was of nikon during the first 5 years of releasing the current mounted full frame family? Did they already have all those lenses as well as everything in the middle end and wide end? I imagine back in the 90s or was it 80s?

About 60 years and they've made many a balls up, though I don't recall them producing a camera with very few lenses for its intended purpose

 

[twist]

Can you remind how old nikon have been in this game for?

Can you also remind me what the state was of nikon during the first 5 years of releasing the current mounted full frame family? Did they already have all those lenses as well as everything in the middle end and wide end? I imagine back in the 90s or was it 80s?

But that's not the point is it, Canikon already have everything anyone could want.... there's no waiting... like you've been doing.

 

[pete 1]

But that's not the point is it, Canikon already have everything anyone could want.... there's no waiting... like you've been doing.

As with nikon (you said that [emoji23]) its already all there
Bells and whistles don't make images

 

[Kinobe]

Here's my 2pence worth.

My father has been shooting Sony ever since the mavica was released, remember that? It saved images onto floppy disks! He's been a Sony convert ever since and one thing I'll admit is the innovation that Sony offer it's right up there imo. But what gets me is that Sony seem to price themselves right out of the market. If they want to get competitive then why not release pro cameras at reasonable prices? Also what is with Sony releasing cameras left right and centre?

My Dad currenty shoots with an A99mk2 has the A7Rmk2 and he never seems to get rid of anything owning pretty much every single pro/semipro body Sony have released. Why does he need them all, well let me put it this way the guy has worked hard all his life he's now a retired pensioner so why not spend his hard earnt money on something he enjoys.

He told me about the A9 and yes 20fps FF but £4.5k? Plus the lack of FE long range prime lenses? I'd rather have the A99mk2 with 500f4 which is ridiculously priced at 11k?

His A7rmk2 was replaced due to it overheating as it actually packed up. His 6500 has been overheating and he's had his fair share of bugs with his cameras. Imo this shouldn't be happening.
Would I consider a switch? At the moment no. I've heavily invested in my Nikon equipment and these tools work well for me and do the job I want. I'm interested to see what Nikon do with the replacment of the D810.

 

[addicknchips]

What I mean is they don't produce body's every six months with no lenses

X-pro 2, x-t2, x-t20, x-a3(?), x-t2 graphite, x-pro 2 graphite. all within the last year.

 

[twist]

X-pro 2, x-t2, x-t20, x-a3(?), x-t2 graphite, x-pro 2 graphite. all within the last year.

Yeah Fuji is definitely ramping up model releases, then there's those devaluing cashback schemes every season.

 

[pete 1]

X-pro 2, x-t2, x-t20, x-a3(?), x-t2 graphite, x-pro 2 graphite. all within the last year.

I stand corrected [emoji106]

 

[pete 1]

At least they don't over heat and have lenses for their purposes

 

[Eloise]

Who was first to release in mirror less? Fuji or Sony?

Olympus or was it Panasonic?

 

[addicknchips]

At least they don't over heat and have lenses for their purposes

I've not once used a dslr or mirrorless to do any filming. so its not an issue for me. I've never had a sony camera overheat during stills.

as for lenses....hmmmmm off the top of my head, Sony full frame lenses you have:

16-35 f4
35mm f1.4
35mm f2.8
50mm f1.8
55mm f1.8
85mm f1.8 x2
85mm f1.4
90mm f2.8 macro
24-70 f2.8
135mm f2.8
70-200 f4
70-200 f2.8
100-400

make no mistake the longer primes will follow.

 

[pete 1]

I've not once used a dslr or mirrorless to do any filming. so its not an issue for me. I've never had a sony camera overheat during stills.

as for lenses....hmmmmm off the top of my head, Sony full frame lenses you have:

16-35 f4
35mm f1.4
35mm f2.8
50mm f1.8
55mm f1.8
85mm f1.8 x2
85mm f1.4
90mm f2.8 macro
24-70 f2.8
135mm f2.8
70-200 f4
70-200 f2.8
100-400

make no mistake the longer primes will follow.

We're referring to the A9 (clearly a sports Camera ) and lack of sports lenses, there's been plenty of overheating issues all to well documented, you've been lucky or obviously don't do video
I'd prefer a system that has them in place not having to wait for them

 

[Eloise]

Seems like Sony can't win some of your hearts.

You complain they dont release new lenses? They reply and release a new lens almost every month.

No sports body? They announce A9.

Give them time.

I don't have a list of Sony FE lenses so don't know how they compare... but might be worth considering how Canon released 13 lenses from 15mm fisheye to 300mm f/2.8 within 12 months of the release of the EOS 650.

(from Canon's Lens Museum site via https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/32237672 )

 

[Eloise]

I've not once used a dslr or mirrorless to do any filming. so its not an issue for me. I've never had a sony camera overheat during stills.

as for lenses....hmmmmm off the top of my head, Sony full frame lenses you have:

16-35 f4
35mm f1.4
35mm f2.8
50mm f1.8
55mm f1.8
85mm f1.8 x2
85mm f1.4
90mm f2.8 macro
24-70 f2.8
135mm f2.8
70-200 f4
70-200 f2.8
100-400

make no mistake the longer primes will follow.

So 13 lenses ... it took Canon less than 12 months to produce 13 lenses ... Sony full frame FE mount has been in use around 4 years now? By that point after the launch of the EOS cameras there were 46 lenses!

 

[pete 1]

I've not once used a dslr or mirrorless to do any filming. so its not an issue for me. I've never had a sony camera overheat during stills.

as for lenses....hmmmmm off the top of my head, Sony full frame lenses you have:

16-35 f4
35mm f1.4
35mm f2.8
50mm f1.8
55mm f1.8
85mm f1.8 x2
85mm f1.4
90mm f2.8 macro
24-70 f2.8
135mm f2.8
70-200 f4
70-200 f2.8
100-400

make no mistake the longer primes will follow.

We're just saying Sony do things the wrong way round, not that I care personally but the cost will be pretty steep when these lenses come out and unless your a pro sports photographer or dammed well off there's little point.
The d7200 will do all I need

 

[Eloise]

We're just saying Sony do things the wrong way round, not that I care personally but the cost will be pretty steep when these lenses come out and unless your a pro sports photographer or dammed well off there's little point.
The d7200 will do all I need

I did have a little smile to myself though... was walking through Nottingham today and Jessop had a "the new Sony A9... pre order today for £4500*" (*not sure the exact price) ... like anyone would buy on impulse seeing a sandwich board!

 

[addicknchips]

So 13 lenses ... it took Canon less than 12 months to produce 13 lenses ... Sony full frame FE mount has been in use around 4 years now? By that point after the launch of the EOS cameras there were 46 lenses!

that list is off the top of my head. there are others. that small list I've mentioned pretty much covers most genres of photography.
i don't think the a9 should be pigeon holed as just a sports camera. it'll appeal to wedding and event togs too. and they have all the lenses they will need from that list.

 

[pete 1]

I did have a little smile to myself though... was walking through Nottingham today and Jessop had a "the new Sony A9... pre order today for £4500*" (*not sure the exact price) ... like anyone would buy on impulse seeing a sandwich board!

Buy 2 [emoji23]

 

[Kinobe]

They need to release more long range primes which are affordable for the consumer. If you've heavily invested in one brand why would you even consider the switch for such little gain?

 

[pete 1]

that list is off the top of my head. there are others. that small list I've mentioned pretty much covers most genres of photography.
i don't think the a9 should be pigeon holed as just a sports camera. it'll appeal to wedding and event togs too. and they have all the lenses they will need from that list.

I should hope so, anyway each to their own but Sony don't convince me of anything, it's the one camera manufacturer I'll keep clear of.

 

[Box Brownie]

I did have a little smile to myself though... was walking through Nottingham today and Jessop had a "the new Sony A9... pre order today for £4500*" (*not sure the exact price) ... like anyone would buy on impulse seeing a sandwich board!

Seeing mention of Jessops reminded how surprised I was watching Peter Jones on a panel show where the question required knowing the distance from the Earth to the Moon and he said it was 3000 miles...........now when he did the mental arithmetic for the question he got it right but the contestant listening to Peter's workings and answer instead of challenging the 3000 miles supposition chose the wrong answer.

How the heck did Peter Jones not know the distance and in not knowing but being trusted no one else doubted him!!!!!

Just how successful is he

 

[Eloise]

that list is off the top of my head. there are others. that small list I've mentioned pretty much covers most genres of photography.
i don't think the a9 should be pigeon holed as just a sports camera. it'll appeal to wedding and event togs too. and they have all the lenses they will need from that list.

According to Sony UK website there are 22 full frame E mount lenses... same number as Fuji X mount lenses coincidentally.

 

[addicknchips]

They need to release more long range primes which are affordable for the consumer. If you've heavily invested in one brand why would you even consider the switch for such little gain?

long range primes don't tend to be cheap. i wouldn't suggest switching unless you're unhappy with your current set up. but some may feel that 14fps to 20fps is quite a gain.

 

[Kinobe]

long range primes don't tend to be cheap. i wouldn't suggest switching unless you're unhappy with your current set up. but some may feel that 14fps to 20fps is quite a gain.

I agree but compare the cost of the equivalent Nikon or Canon primes? It's ridiculous what Sony price their prime lenses at.

 

[Raymond Lin]

According to Sony UK website there are 22 full frame E mount lenses... same number as Fuji X mount lenses coincidentally.

They have:-

100mm F/2.8
85/1.8
16-35/4.0
24-240/3.5-6.3
24-70/2.8
24-70/4.0
28-70/3.5-5.6
28/2.0
28-135/4.0
35/1.4
35/2.8
50/1.4
50/1.8
50/2.8 macro
55/1.8
70-200/4.0
70-200/2.8
70-300/4.5-5.6
85/1.4
90/2.8 macro
1.4 teleconverter
2.0 teleconverter

100-400 is not listed as list

Of the whole list, 2 of them are teleconverters and don't really count, if someone is dropping £4,500 on a body, they would want top end glass then that means the likes of 28-70/3.5-5.6 is irrelevant and not going to care. I have highlighted the ones in bold where it is actually any useful to a professional capacity.

From that list, it is missing the basics of a 24mm/1.4 prime, it is missing a fast prime like a 16-35/2.8, it is missing a 135mm/2.0 lens, it is missing all the big primes. I have the following, and of the 10 lenses that I have, I can replace just 4 of them, 5 if I am willing to go to 85/1.4.

It is a hard pill to swallow to lose half my lenses for 1 body.

20/1.4
24/1.4
35/1.4
45/2.8 TSE
50/1.4
85/1.2
100/2.8 macro IS
135/2.0
16-35/2.8
24-70/2.8

 

[jonneymendoza]

So 13 lenses ... it took Canon less than 12 months to produce 13 lenses ... Sony full frame FE mount has been in use around 4 years now? By that point after the launch of the EOS cameras there were 46 lenses!

More then tha.

Zeiss have launched around 7-8 lens themselves for the Emount and also Samyang have 3 AF primes and 3-4 MF lenses.

The guy only listed a 1/3 of the total native lens lineup

 

[jonneymendoza]

They have:-

100mm F/2.8
85/1.8
16-35/4.0
24-240/3.5-6.3
24-70/2.8
24-70/4.0
28-70/3.5-5.6
28/2.0
28-135/4.0
35/1.4
35/2.8
50/1.4
50/1.8
50/2.8 macro
55/1.8
70-200/4.0
70-200/2.8
70-300/4.5-5.6
85/1.4
90/2.8 macro
1.4 teleconverter
2.0 teleconverter

100-400 is not listed as list

Of the whole list, 2 of them are teleconverters and don't really count, if someone is dropping £4,500 on a body, they would want top end glass then that means the likes of 28-70/3.5-5.6 is irrelevant and not going to care. I have highlighted the ones in bold where it is actually any useful to a professional capacity.

From that list, it is missing the basics of a 24mm/1.4 prime, it is missing a fast prime like a 16-35/2.8, it is missing a 135mm/2.0 lens, it is missing all the big primes. I have the following, and of the 10 lenses that I have, I can replace just 4 of them, 5 if I am willing to go to 85/1.4.

It is a hard pill to swallow to lose half my lenses for 1 body.

20/1.4
24/1.4
35/1.4
45/2.8 TSE
50/1.4
85/1.2
100/2.8 macro IS
135/2.0
16-35/2.8
24-70/2.8

Pros dont always need 2.8 zooms. the primes are there from 18mm down to 100mm.

The main gaps are from the tele end and the UWA zoom.

The point is people here think sony dont have any lenses and they have been proven wrong.

Infact it seems sony have more lenses then fuji(2 vs 13 some said?) but people said fuji had more lenses?

Yea there are weaknesses but a new Mount doesnt all of a sudden get 30 new lenses in its first 2 years

 

[jonneymendoza]

that list is off the top of my head. there are others. that small list I've mentioned pretty much covers most genres of photography.
i don't think the a9 should be pigeon holed as just a sports camera. it'll appeal to wedding and event togs too. and they have all the lenses they will need from that list.

How long was Canon in the photography business back then?

Sony i think have been in the business for 101-5 years i think? Canon 50+ years. They have the capacity to churn out a new mount and 13 lenses in 12months i presume.

Where's Nikons list?

 

[Box Brownie]

Was it not Sony whose origins were as rice cooker makers until after WW2??? But Canon have earlier camera making origins?

 

[Raymond Lin]

Pros dont always need 2.8 zooms. the primes are there from 18mm down to 100mm.

The main gaps are from the tele end and the UWA zoom.

The point is people here think sony dont have any lenses and they have been proven wrong.

Infact it seems sony have more lenses then fuji(2 vs 13 some said?) but people said fuji had more lenses?

Yea there are weaknesses but a new Mount doesnt all of a sudden get 30 new lenses in its first 2 years

I need my 2.8 lenses, in fact, I think 2.8 is too slow. It is 2 stops slower than what I am used to.

I never said Sony don't have any lenses, I listed them all, I said they don't have the lenses that this camera's target audience is going for, the 1D and D5 owners. These are the people who shoots exclusively at the LONG focal length. The FACT is Sony do not have these lenses.

That is a fact. The weakness is so weak that there is zero lenses for those people. It's not like they have a crap 500mm, they don't have a 500mm. Full Stop.

The people who shoots portraits or the people who shoot around 100mm distance in events or weddings even don't need 20 fps.

As for Fuji, their bodies are not £4,500 and going for the pros, it seems they are targeting the keen amateurs who just like to downsize their gear, I don't foresee any Sports togs giving up their 1DX for a X-T2 and shoot the FA Cup final any time soon.

 

[ukaskew]

Not highlighting the 55mm 1.8 (or 28mm f2) on a list that could be used by pros?! Some very selective reasoning going on here.

Either way the body or glass had to come first, and body first makes sense as they can continue to reiterate that whilst putting out new glass.

They're hardly hanging around with glass, particularly given the quality of much of it.

 

[snerkler]

Seems like Sony can't win some of your hearts.

You complain they dont release new lenses? They reply and release a new lens almost every month.

No sports body? They announce A9.

Give them time.

Or just admire nikon etc then and just ignore sony

A new lens every month? What did they release last year, and the year before?

More then tha.

Zeiss have launched around 7-8 lens themselves for the Emount and also Samyang have 3 AF primes and 3-4 MF lenses.

The guy only listed a 1/3 of the total native lens lineup

But then you're not comparing apples with apples. No point comparing none native lenses, you could throw Sigma and Tamron EF and F mount into the mix if you're doing that

 

[woof woof]

But then you're not comparing apples with apples. No point comparing none native lenses, you could throw Sigma and Tamron EF and F mount into the mix if you're doing that

When looking at Canon you have to include Sigma as some Canon offerings are frankly almost laughable. Where's the quality Canon 50mm for example? The f1.2? And there's the 85's too. In fact as mostly a prime shooter in the 24-135mm sort of range if I was a Canon user now I'd be looking pretty exclusively at Sigma just as I did back when I had my 20D/5D.

The Canon picture may be great for some and may be getting better but my point is there are gaps for some in most systems.

 

[addicknchips]

I need my 2.8 lenses, in fact, I think 2.8 is too slow. It is 2 stops slower than what I am used to.

I never said Sony don't have any lenses, I listed them all, I said they don't have the lenses that this camera's target audience is going for, the 1D and D5 owners. These are the people who shoots exclusively at the LONG focal length. The FACT is Sony do not have these lenses.

That is a fact. The weakness is so weak that there is zero lenses for those people. It's not like they have a crap 500mm, they don't have a 500mm. Full Stop.

The people who shoots portraits or the people who shoot around 100mm distance in events or weddings even don't need 20 fps.

As for Fuji, their bodies are not £4,500 and going for the pros, it seems they are targeting the keen amateurs who just like to downsize their gear, I don't foresee any Sports togs giving up their 1DX for a X-T2 and shoot the FA Cup final any time soon.

I'm saying I don't think it should be looked upon as just a sports camera.

Your list misses all the batis glass. And surely it's hugely subjective what can be used for pro work? I'd worry about you if you couldn't use the zeiss 55mm for work, or shoot with the Sony glass for a wedding.

The 20fps isn't the Only selling point for weddings/events.the longer battery life, joystick, better af, no blackout will appeal massively too. In fact, it looks like the perfect option for weddings/ events for Sony shooters. No one is asking people to jump ship.

As I said before I wouldn't advise people to switch over just because a new body has been released. But I bet people will. Canikon people seem too bored with the bodies that are being churned out, and rightly so.

 

[Riz_Guru]

I think the Sony A9 is a great step forward, it'll generate positive competition and innovation.
Fuji are planning a professional APS-C XT designed body, I'm sure Fuji are watching Sony's moves

 

[woof woof]

I think the Sony A9 is a great step forward, it'll generate positive competition and innovation.
Fuji are planning a professional APS-C XT designed body, I'm sure Fuji are watching Sony's moves

Some boggers and reviewers are saying that the A9 is the beginning of the end for DSLR's but surely all this began with MFT and I do wonder if Panasonic and Olympus are looking at the Sony A7/9 range and wishing they'd gone for a larger format. I do hope that MFT continues but maybe Oly/Panny are eyeing Sony sales and hoping to take a bite at some time.