The most detested job role

Hugh
I've had a very quick look online for the refunds thing you mentioned.
The only mention I can find is for some tickets issued between 2009-2010. So historic shall we say.
Also, that had nothing to do with parking attendants, it was a result of using CCTV to vehicles.

If thats not what you are on about, can you provide a link to it?
 
Bernie174 said:
Hugh
I've had a very quick look online for the refunds thing you mentioned.
The only mention I can find is for some tickets issued between 2009-2010. So historic shall we say.
Also, that had nothing to do with parking attendants, it was a result of using CCTV to vehicles.

If thats not what you are on about, can you provide a link to it?
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actually Bernie it was 2011. So not really historic. I'm not sure how CCTV parking tickets aren't real parking tickets. They're still issued by parking attendants, and used to apply exactly the same rules as an attendant on the street. So you're wrong to claim CCTV enforcement has nothing to do with them. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14918018

remind me again, what % of (London) tickets are overturned on appeal? - As previously stated until you live in London, you've no real idea exactly how over complicated the rules are, and how badly they are applied in practice.
 
fracster said:
Thanks for your latest school mistress post.
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*Clutches chest*....Oh I'm hurt...deeply wounded.

Oh wait no.....it's just indigestion :rolleyes:
 
boyfalldown said:
Unless you're in richmond, where they had to refund 18,500 tickets a couple of years ago cause they were unlawfully issued. The parking regs in many London boros are now so complicated obeying them is tricky and actually doing so is no promise you won't get a ticket.

I'm all for sensible rules, but round here, they're past sensible
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thats fine, but i didnt say issue them willy nilly. theres plenty of idiots parking outside of the rules that deserve to be ticketed.
 
Byker28i said:
Strictly speaking, isn't the charge 'not displaying a valid badge', or something, similar to the not displaying a valid tax disk? How was he to know it's a valid disk and not a dodgy copy?

I draw your attention to the rules about having a blue badge, which you agree to.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...206022/blue-badge-rights-responsibilities.pdf

Part of which says, you must never use a copied badge to park or attempt to alter the details.
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I realise the regulations state you must not display a copied badge, but it also states in the rules that you must keep the badge safe at all times and I hardly think leaving the badge out in the open would be classed as 'safe'. It wasn't the Blue badge bit that was most annoying though, the ticket didn't mention anything about the badge on it, it just said excess time. Tthe area I parked is a well used area for parking bikes and there was around half a dozen bikes within 5 yards of mine but none of those had a ticket and most of them had been there longer than I had, I'd been there no more than 15 minutes. I've also parked in the same place before and since and I, and as far as I know no one else, has ever had a ticket for parking there.

Most of the time my badge is in our car or the car I'm a passenger in and I was given all the relative documents and booklets when I first got it with all the regulations in it. I'm currently waiting for a reply from the badge issuers regarding this situation of displaying the badge in the open. I suggested the possibility of making a badge similar to the current tax disc for motorcyclists even if it is just to confirm the badge owner and even if it cost extra.
 
Oh don't get me wrong I feel your pain, just felt I needed to balance the argument. I've had my tax disk stolen from my motorbike many times as it was in a sticky holder on the screen. Now I carry it in my backpack and have never had an issue (yet). I'm looking forward to the day when we don't need to display them.
 
Byker28i said:
Oh don't get me wrong I feel your pain, just felt I needed to balance the argument. I've had my tax disk stolen from my motorbike many times as it was in a sticky holder on the screen. Now I carry it in my backpack and have never had an issue (yet). I'm looking forward to the day when we don't need to display them.
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i keep mine in my bike jacket for the very reason
 
fracster said:
Appreciate that Chris, but if it causes so much grief and ballache, then why bother?
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TBH, Its not really a ball ache, Ade, I was responding to @matty 's ironic (and maybe even slightly sarcastic ;) ) post.

To that end, I guess the actual thread title it self, is a misnomer (Per se)
It seems it should actually read the most hated people in a job, not the job itself ;)

We are here anyway, always members first, mods second, so while we are, we may just as well read the other "extra forums"
I guess the previously quoted number of 99% of members are unknown to us in the moderation sense.
Its just the odd few that are "constantly" brought to our attention, and do occasionally, require some action on our part.

Despite the screams of this is the most heavily moderated forum, run by "power-mad megalomaniacs"

This actually is the easiest going and least moderated forum that I know.
Out of the other 3 or 4 that I am on.
 
Given past experiences...this is NOT the most heavily moderated forum ever. Far from it lol
 
viv1969 said:
Given past experiences...this is NOT the most heavily moderated forum ever. Far from it lol
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Skin of your teeth young lady skin of your teeth :p

fabs said:
Heavy moderation? Sounds too much like work! :cautious:
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Absolutely!
Cuts down on Coffee and Jaffa cake time doesn't it?
 
I once sworn and screamed at for 30 minutes solid by some guy who's credit card had been suspended for security concerns....could have felt pretty hated that day :lol: :lol: :lol:

Or the charming lady that was going to call the police on me as I was a sexist, racist erm (illigitimate child) just because her credit cards interest bill was more than she expected that month :lol: :lol:
 
MWHCVT said:
I once sworn and screamed at for 30 minutes solid by some guy who's credit card had been suspended for security concerns....could have felt pretty hated that day :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

Or the charming lady that was going to call the police on me as I was a sexist, racist erm (illigitimate child) just because her credit cards interest bill was more than she expected that month :LOL: :LOL:
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Oh do stop moaning Matt, that what you "support" people are there for, don't cha you know?
:D
 
Cobra said:
Oh do stop moaning Matt, that what you "support" people are there for, don't cha you know?
:D
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I'll be honest I enjoyed it, in fact I took a perverse pleasure from dealing with the worst customers...and boy there were some seriously left entitled ones :pompous: such as the one who's daughters 21st birthday I personally ruined, because it was me that had completely maxed her credit card obviously :lol: :whistle:
 
Hugh

I think you are splitting hairs, the tickets were canceled because the vehicle used to gather evidence was licensed. Thats not the same in any way as those who were issued parking charges were innocent. Actually it's an example of rules being applied one way. Ok, thats fine, I understand that, it's no different to a criminal case being thrown because a caution was given with a word missing. But what it does not do is back up your argument. It simply means someone in the council hadn't made sure that all the i's were dotted.

As for it being complex? No, I don't think so. I can follow them, and I'll a thick ex copper, who's only ever had one ticket, for leaving a Police car on double yellows, while I went to a serious disturbance! That ticket was issued by a Police traffic warden, who had no options. And yes, it was canceled, as I had an exception in the circumstances. But the time to use an exemption is after a ticket is issued, and not before. Which also is part of the answer to your point about what % of tickets are canceled, a number of them are because of an exemption as well as those that are issue for defective signage or implementation of traffic orders. While I accept you'd like the answer without that qualification, as it might well 'prove' your point, I prefer to answer as fully as possible.
 
Well there's a couple ofminutes of my life I'll never get back :-)
 
Bernie174 said:
Hugh

I think you are splitting hairs, the tickets were canceled because the vehicle used to gather evidence was licensed. Thats not the same in any way as those who were issued parking charges were innocent. Actually it's an example of rules being applied one way. Ok, thats fine, I understand that, it's no different to a criminal case being thrown because a caution was given with a word missing. But what it does not do is back up your argument. It simply means someone in the council hadn't made sure that all the i's were dotted.

As for it being complex? No, I don't think so. I can follow them, and I'll a thick ex copper, who's only ever had one ticket, for leaving a Police car on double yellows, while I went to a serious disturbance! That ticket was issued by a Police traffic warden, who had no options. And yes, it was canceled, as I had an exception in the circumstances. But the time to use an exemption is after a ticket is issued, and not before. Which also is part of the answer to your point about what % of tickets are canceled, a number of them are because of an exemption as well as those that are issue for defective signage or implementation of traffic orders. While I accept you'd like the answer without that qualification, as it might well 'prove' your point, I prefer to answer as fully as possible.
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mmmm I think we'll disagree about it being splitting hairs. ;)

as for complex. This evening I met a client for coffee, its 1/2 mile walk home. During that 1/2 mile I head through 4 different resident zones (5 if you count the temporary one that goes up around Twickenham stadium during events). Each of those zones, has different hours of operation, isn't clearly demarked, has different rules regarding meters, pay & display, costs for a resident permit and residents spaces. Its very hard to see how you can describe it as simple. Even just round my house, the two meters at the front I can park on with my residents permit. But the 3 round the side I'll get a ticket for. Why the difference, I dunno. Simple its not though.

As for number of tickets, I've had 3 (in the last year) - all three I was parked perfectly legally and within the terms of my residents permit.All overturned as well. Evidently on two occasions those rules (that even a simple copper understands:) )were too much for the parking guy. Thats because the rules change again during Twickenham events. The last one, well I foolishly left a pay & display ticket from elsewhere on my dashboard and got ticketed for parking in a residents space. Inspite of the clearly displayed permit. None of those needed an exemption after the fact. Incidentally that permit costs 3X my VED.Jonathan gave an example earlier of the guy who was ticketed for letting someone out of a side road. I'm guessing you don't think they needed an exemption for that either.

As you can see these aren't offences for being parked ignorantly, foolishly or even out of what I can do. Its just a case of the rules being applied badly by those who make them. Its currently around 60% of appeals upheld in London. Not all of them are going to be exemptions after the fact. And little wonder the law abiding London motorist feels like a cash cow and resentment is high
 
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It is simple, when you park you look at the parking restrictions on the sign post. You then know if you can park or not.
 
:D.......so your all a bunch of masochists then.


oops, should have quoted Cobra, damned phones
 
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Dale_tem said:
It is simple, when you park you look at the parking restrictions on the sign post. You then know if you can park or not.
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& then you'll be ticketed anyway, cause the signs (don't always) match the marking on the road
 
fracster said:
:D.......so your all a bunch of masochists then.


oops, should have quoted Cobra, damned phones
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LOL summit like that Ade summit like that :D
 
boyfalldown said:
& then you'll be ticketed anyway, cause the signs (don't always) match the marking on the road
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I park all over London, various times of day, different authorities and I have never received a ticket. I follow the rule that every street is different and even different parts on the same street can be different
 
Dale_tem said:
I park all over London, various times of day, different authorities and I have never received a ticket. I follow the rule that every street is different and even different parts on the same street can be different
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Well done....you must be very lucky :). I think I've given enough examples, so graciously, I'll back out now.
 
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boyfalldown said:
Well done....you must be blessed :) but how do you permits for all those areas?
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Who said anything about permits?

You say there is an issue yet millions of people park in London without an issue. I bet if you surveyed everyone in your road, only a few have a problem.
 
Cobra said:
LOL summit like that Ade summit like that :D
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sorry mate, I'm on badger duty, it is slashing down, I'm cold and bloody wet. Badgers are safe so far though.
 
Dale_tem said:
Who said anything about permits?

You say there is an issue yet millions of people park in London without an issue. I bet if you surveyed everyone in your road, only a few have a problem.
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I bet you'd be wrong. I already linked to the number of tickets had to be refunded a couple of years ago. You've been very lucky not to encounter this sort of thing around London http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-2477420/Why-fight-parking-ticket.html. Not getting ticketed is in large part, purely luck. But of course, there is no problem.
 
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I love PCNs :D I collect them on a almost annual basis, I've had them from London, Oxford, Birmingham (Solihull) even my local city of Coventry...hell I'm keeping someone in a job right? London was a particularly pleasing one, they got me on the way to hospital, and on the way out the following morning :D all because my damn card had been updated and I forgot to update my automatic congestion charge....
 
fracster said:
:D.......so your all a bunch of masochists then.


oops, should have quoted Cobra, damned phones
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Oddly, thats exactly the reason I was going to give, every forum has its masochists and most of them are moderators. Mind you, coming from someone that is freezing their sodden ass off in the dark right now.... :wacky:
 
Dale_tem said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-26757327

5000 tickets refunded. That is a drop in the ocean to how many parked without issue
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Plus the other boroughs, & not just one incident within that borough. Of course if you paid out because of that issue you'd be a bt angry. A total of about 440,000 overturned on appeal in 2013, about 6%. Not such a drop in the ocean and a lot of lucrative mistakes
 
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viv1969 said:
Well there's a couple ofminutes of my life I'll never get back :)
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Hate to break it to you Ruth but you can't get any minutes of your life back :p

Steve
 
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Dale_tem said:
http://londontransportdata.wordpres...ces-on-the-transport-for-london-road-network/

6.8 million parking spaces in London. Lets just assume each one is only parked in once a day. That leads to 2.4 billion parked cars a year, lets round that up to 10 billion over 4 years. So yes 450,000 is a drop in the ocean.
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Hang on, if you're going to round up the don't you need to multiple both figures. So following your logic that 2m tickets overturned in the same 4 year period.

But that's digressing. By no measure, can you call 6% a drop in the ocean. It rises to 13% in some areas. That between 1:20 & 1:10 (ish) fines issued incorrectly. Now if you assume that 50% of drivers appeal a bad ticket and 50% seeth! but pay anyway for an easy life and to avoid it doubling (the 50% is my assumption but it does happen. Like yours there are many holes in it though) that's somewhere between 1:10 & 1:5 tickets incorrectly issued. It's hardly a drop in the ocean
 
That was assuming each space was used once. If it was used 5 times then you figure drops
 
Yv said:
Oddly, thats exactly the reason I was going to give, every forum has its masochists and most of them are moderators. Mind you, coming from someone that is freezing their sodden ass off in the dark right now.... :wacky:
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Wildlife comes first Yvonne, taking pics is secondary. Anyway, i`m home now and ready for my pit.

Prefer my role to yours though............:naughty:
 
Dale_tem said:
That was assuming each space was used once. If it was used 5 times then you figure drops
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and if its used 0 times during a day it rises. As I said mine and your assumptions bit full of holes. But that digressing further. I'm kind of interested, if 1:20 crimes punished by the courts was wrong would that be OK? Why is 1:20 fines issued by councils OK?. I accept and understand errors happen. But not in this number.
 
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Worst job in the world - statistician ;)
 
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