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Meh looks gimmicky to me and much of what's 'new' Android have been doing for some time...
 
rssmrry said:
Meh looks gimmicky to me and much of what's 'new' Android have been doing for some time...
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and look how well it has gone for them :lol:

im surprised anyone knows what android has been doing since only a third of android users even have the latest os

its also not just about what is being done but how. let the competition do something, if it works, then copy it and do it better than them. Winning formula!
 
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joescrivens said:
when you are the best in the field you will always get criticism. It goes hand in hand - some from those who have too high expectations due to products being the best and others from those who hate the fact they are the best.
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Hans Christian Andersen once wrote a story about people with an unswerving dedication to The Emperor.....
 
joescrivens said:
its also not just about what is being done but how. let the competition do something, if it works, then copy it and do it better than them. Winning formula!
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You missed out

"and have a lot of lawyers to sue when someone does the same to you"

in there Joe ;)
 
just installed spotify to give it a test against the itunes radio

as usual apple have got the interface bang on and its much better designed than the spotify one.

The downside to me seems like on spotify you can choose simply listen to an entire album from an artist. On itunes radio it looks like it is just playing music based on an artist - so similar tracks etc rather than being able to listen to the whole album for example. Like Last.fm

but who knows maybe this will change on release?

it is of course also free with adds on your mobile devices unlike spotify
 
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neil_g said:
yeah but my penis is bigger.

wait, am i in the right thread?
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You forgot your placard.....
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Oh, and the wishful thinkers and dreamers thread is over there —————>
 
rssmrry said:
Meh looks gimmicky to me and much of what's 'new' Android have been doing for some time...
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That's not a bad word for it actually. It's almost as though Ive threw certain app icons out to his design team and said it was free beer for the winner.

There's no consistency in the design and certainly no harmony or thought given to the basic principles of good interface design, which smacks of too many spoons in the pot.

Even within the apps, there's no consistency or fluidity to the design.

It's a mish-mash of though processes which, as a whole, ends up as a disjointed mess :shake:
 
joescrivens said:
just installed spotify to give it a test against the itunes radio

as usual apple have got the interface bang on and its much better designed than the spotify one.

The downside to me seems like on spotify you can choose simply listen to an entire album from an artist. On itunes radio it looks like it is just playing music based on an artist - so similar tracks etc rather than being able to listen to the whole album for example. Like Last.fm

but who knows maybe this will change on release?

it is of course also free with adds on your mobile devices unlike spotify
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Yeah, you have to pay for quality. As I said, Itunes Radio is not a competitor to Spotify as Spotify is streaks ahead. It offers radio services similar to iTunes Radio and Last.fm but also offers a hell of a lot more - for £10 a month you can sync over 3,000 tracks to offline so can listen to them without the need for mobile coverage. When Apple offer something similar to that, it might start to become interesting.
 
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Simmotino said:
That's not a bad word for it actually. It's almost as though Ive threw certain app icons out to his design team and said it was free beer for the winner.

There's no consistency in the design and certainly no harmony or thought given to the basic principles of good interface design, which smacks of too many spoons in the pot.

Even within the apps, there's no consistency or fluidity to the design.

It's a mish-mash of though processes which, as a whole, ends up as a disjointed mess :shake:
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interesting how things are interpreted. I'd say the exact opposite having been playing with it all day. i find the interface to be very harmonuos and fluid

horses for courses as they say.
 
just found out this spotify has a maximum playing time on the free version of 10 hours per month!!!

uninstall about to occur
 
theurbanclown said:
Yeah, you have to pay for quality. As I said, Itunes Radio is not a competitor to Spotify as Spotify is streaks ahead. It offers radio services similar to iTunes Radio and Last.fm but also offers a hell of a lot more - for £10 a month you can sync over 3,000 tracks to offline so can listen to them without the need for mobile coverage. When Apple offer something similar to that, it might start to become interesting.
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So you'd need storage space for 3000 songs?
 
Ricardodaforce said:
So you'd need storage space for 3000 songs?
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Obviously. No different to purchasing songs through iTunes - although most people will only offline sync 'starred' tracks or 30 or so albums and delete the ones they don't listen to very often, every now and again.

Even if you only sync 30, that's basically £4 an album per year. It's excellent value.
 
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theurbanclown said:
Obviously. No different to purchasing songs through iTunes - although most people will only offline sync 'starred' tracks or 30 or so albums and delete the ones they don't listen to very often, every now and again.

Even if you only sync 30, that's basically £4 an album per year. It's excellent value.
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But iTunes Radio will be free for me. That sounds even better value.
 
theurbanclown said:
Yeah, you have to pay for quality. As I said, Itunes Radio is not a competitor to Spotify as Spotify is streaks ahead. It offers radio services similar to iTunes Radio and Last.fm but also offers a hell of a lot more - for £10 a month you can sync over 3,000 tracks to offline so can listen to them without the need for mobile coverage. When Apple offer something similar to that, it might start to become interesting.
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apple aren't going to offer that. because its stupid.

Streaming is where the future is going, not downloading offline tracks - that was maybe useful 5 years ago.

Itunes radio is free. Even the non ad version is going to be less than £20 for the whole year. £10 a month or I get to listen to 33 minutes of content a day - ridiculous. I just deleted it off my mac.

the only thing spotify has going for it is this ability to play a whole album or individual songs from the album. If itunes radio adds that feature it's going to kill spotify overnight.
 
joescrivens said:
apple aren't going to offer that. because its stupid.

Streaming is where the future is going, not downloading offline tracks - that was maybe useful 5 years ago.

Itunes radio is free. Even the non ad version is going to be less than £20 for the whole year. £10 a month or I get to listen to 33 minutes of content a day - ridiculous. I just deleted it off my mac.

the only thing spotify has going for it is this ability to play a whole album or individual songs from the album. If itunes radio adds that feature it's going to kill spotify overnight.
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Yeah, but it doesn't add to what's already out there. Dog turd is free, doesn't mean I'd eat it over a nice steak. Radio streaming apps based on your music tastes are a dime a dozen. If anything will prevail in that area, it will be #music (which uses parts of the Spotify service) or Google Play Music All Access.

Last.fm already do what Apple are doing, as do Pandora as do Rdio, as do a million others - and they're all free too. In fact, iTunes radio is basically just Pandora, whereas Google's release is Pandora, Spotify and iTunes rolled up into one.

£10 a month is great value for Spotify seeing as you'd never have to buy music again if you didn't want to. The ability to be able to play any song/album you want rather than a radio service is a pretty huge thing to have going for it! The fact they include a radio service too just adds to its superiority.
 
theurbanclown said:
Yeah, but it doesn't add to what's already out there. Dog turd is free, doesn't mean I'd eat it over a nice steak. Radio streaming apps based on your music tastes are a dime a dozen. If anything will prevail in that area, it will be #music (which uses parts of the Spotify service) or Google Play Music All Access.

Last.fm already do what Apple are doing, as do Pandora as do Rdio, as do a million others - and they're all free too. In fact, iTunes radio is basically just Pandora, whereas Google's release is Pandora, Spotify and iTunes rolled up into one.

£10 a month is great value for Spotify seeing as you'd never have to buy music again if you didn't want to. The ability to be able to play any song/album you want rather than a radio service is a pretty huge thing to have going for it! The fact they include a radio service too just adds to its superiority.
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£10 a month isn't as great as free seeing as you'd never have to buy music again.

In the last 3 years I have bought 22 albums. At an average cost of £10 per album I would have spent £220. 3 years of spotify would have cost me £360. If on year 4 I decided I didn't want to spend £10 a month anymore what happens to my £360 investment? Buying that music outright cost me less and I can listen to it forever.

Can I still listen to that music that I paid for the last 3 years? Nope. Not that great is it really. I've spent more money on spotify and I have nothing to show for it on year 4.
 
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joescrivens said:
£10 a month isn't as great as free seeing as you'd never have to buy music again.

In the last 3 years I have bought 22 albums. At an average cost of £10 per album I would have spent £220. 3 years of spotify would have cost me £360. If on year 4 I decided I didn't want to spend £10 a month anymore what happens to my £360 investment? Buying that music outright cost me less and I can listen to it forever.

Can I still listen to that music that I paid for the last 3 years? Nope. Not that great is it really. I've spent more money on spotify and I have nothing to show for it on year 4.
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I know you're not the full ticket Joe, so I won't put my point across like I would speaking to somebody with full capacity. But, there is nowhere online where you can get ad free, unlimited streaming for free. You are forming an argument on a non existent service.

Buying music doesn't give you access to 20 million 320kb/s mp3s, ready to stream any time you want. Your attitude is quite fanboy-ish, I must say.
 
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joescrivens said:
In the last 3 years I have bought 22 albums. At an average cost of £10 per album I would have spent £220. 3 years of spotify would have cost me £360. If on year 4 I decided I didn't want to spend £10 a month anymore what happens to my £360 investment? Buying that music outright cost me less and I can listen to it forever.
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Clearly they are not aiming their new service at you then (or me for that matter). The people who benefit from online subscription streaming services are people who listen to music on a very regular basis and like to listen to anything and everything.
 
steelneil said:
Clearly they are not aiming their new service at you then (or me for that matter). The people who benefit from online subscription streaming services are people who listen to music on a very regular basis and like to listen to anything and everything.
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Indeed, which contradicts the fact Joe couldn't make do with 20 minutes of streaming per month using Spotify.
 
steelneil said:
Clearly they are not aiming their new service at you then (or me for that matter). The people who benefit from online subscription streaming services are people who listen to music on a very regular basis and like to listen to anything and everything.
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aye but those people can benefit from the free services without having to pay for spotify.

The idea of spotify is fine but the cost doesn't make sense. It needs to maximum £5 a month to survive inmo.

Last.fm is struggling to make money because it doesn't have the userbase. If spotify made their streaming radio service free and hoped to upgrade users to the premium service for the full album I think they'd have a much better survival plan ahead of them.

Get people using your service - and lots of them and then work on a conversion rate. The fact they limit to 10 hours of streaming a month for the free account means they have very little customer base to try and convert to the full premium package since they aren't going to keep those customers.
 
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theurbanclown said:
I know you're not the full ticket Joe, so I won't put my point across like I would speaking to somebody with full capacity. But, there is nowhere online where you can get ad free, unlimited streaming for free. You are forming an argument on a non existent service.

Buying music doesn't give you access to 20 million 320kb/s mp3s, ready to stream any time you want. Your attitude is quite fanboy-ish, I must say.
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you were warned by a moderator earlier that such posting is not acceptable - it still isn't. Cool down time given.
 
Where itunes radio can win is with the pure customer base and buying power that apple have. These small companies like last.fm and spotify lack what apple can do in this market:

1. They have a huge customer base to target
2. They've been collecting genius playlist data for several years

This means they can get more music than any of the smaller companies because they can generate more ad revenue due to the customer install base and they can provide a much richer service due to having more data linking songs and artists.

If they never offer the full album service at all then something like spotify "should" be ok. But if they ever did, I think it would likely die overnight
 
What's that Ross?

Where you suggesting it was similar? It's totally different :shrug:
 
Been running it for a few hours now...

Like it a lot. They've ripped off more good stuff from others, and the actual feel of it is pretty slick.

Bit more of Android nicked, some palm nicked, and a slight nod to ms.

Is there anyway to get the radio working with my uk account? I logged into my us account and got it working, but it was unavailable once back in my uk account.

Wouldn't mind using it.
 
joescrivens said:
What's that Ross?

Where you suggesting it was similar? It's totally different :shrug:
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It's pretty much the same, the only real difference is that iOS has a 3D look to it... :shrug:
Fairly sure if the situation was reversed there'd be a lawsuit...
 
Having read through this thread, based on those screenies by Joe, I don't like it,
it looks flat and over bright and they've copied some elements from android, not saying thats a bad thing.
Spotify is lightyears ahead of iTunes radio, I'm a long term spotify user.

Hopefully Apple will sort out the UI and tone it down a bit, then I'll consider it.

:)
 
rssmrry said:
It's pretty much the same, the only real difference is that iOS has a 3D look to it... :shrug:
Fairly sure if the situation was reversed there'd be a lawsuit...
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Or you could say the only similarities that its vertical. :shrug:

There are only a few ways to organise something like this, horizontal or vertical are your basic options, this one is more like cover flow which apple have used for many years.

The new reminders app looks more like what you linked to
 
rssmrry said:
It's pretty much the same, the only real difference is that iOS has a 3D look to it... :shrug:
Fairly sure if the situation was reversed there'd be a lawsuit...
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Because Samsung have never suited apple right? Oh wait :) they're all the same as each other when it comes to plagiarism.
 
Personally I like the features. Frankly some of it i expected ages ago but hey it's happening. Who cares who had what first.
 
Sure, there are limited ways to organise things, so why not just say we're adapting a current method?

My issue is that everything is touted as 'innovative' and 'new' when it's been about for ages! Why can't they just say 'Hey, so and so were doing this ages ago. We think it's neat and we've decided to incorporate it into our own OS'?

I'm just making reference to the ludicrous lawsuits Apple has filed of late, I concede that both sides sue each other.
 
rssmrry said:
Sure, there are limited ways to organise things, so why not just say we're adapting a current method?

My issue is that everything is touted as 'innovative' and 'new' when it's been about for ages! Why can't they just say 'Hey, so and so were doing this ages ago. We think it's neat and we've decided to incorporate it into our own OS'?
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Because doing that wouldn't make them the most successful company in the world.

People forget that apple are in this world for one thing. Money. :thumbs:
 
I like the features but not how it looks, I also think they should save major software updates to go with the new phone. I hated getting the iPhone 5 for it only to work exactly the same as the iPhone 4 I had before, im a bit of a nerd and like to play about with all the settings and stuff when getting a new phone but looks like the days of that are over!

I cant put my finger on it but it looks bad, definitely not what id expect from Apple...ever. I dont even know how to describe it; childish, Androidy, a bit Fisher Price, kinda Microsoft-y (bright colours and cartoon icons)
 
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