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Basically, the driver with the most wins will take this year's drivers world championship, regardless of anything else. All other championship positions, and the constructors championship, will continue to use the current points system.

This is one of the most ridiculous decisions to come from the FIA for a long time. What about consistency? If you win 10 races and retire from the other 9, have you had a better season than a driver who wins 6 races and finishes on the podium in 10 others? Why do they keep overcomplicating a sport that, at its base level, is one of the simplest in the world: cover a set distance faster than anybody else.

What worries me is that the FIA will make all of their other championships, like WTCC and FIA GT, use this system too. Complete madness :cuckoo::bang:
 
Everyone wins 1 race apart from one guy who wins 2 but crashes out at the first corner of all the others.

The guy who won one, and came second in every single other race does not finish as high as the guy who can't go round the first bend apart from two occassions
 
Rob_W said:
I take it Ferrari had more actual wins last year then ? ... :p
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Of course!!! I heard it on the news, they said Ferrari would have won if it had been in last year.
If someone dares to beat them again this year they will probably change it again next year!!!
 
Might make the leaders push a bit more for the win then sitting back thinking 2nd or 3rd is a safe points hall. Who knows, not sure i care either anymore. The Ex honda team Brawn GP look pretty fast, wonder if honda will regret leaving, and weather Merc will end up supplying them substandard engines to help the others win. Then again winter testing is just that, and wouldnt rule to much about any test times. Should be a very interesting year. If not then it should be scrapped to the history books.
 
russdaz said:
Might make the leaders push a bit more for the win then sitting back thinking 2nd or 3rd is a safe points hall. Who knows, not sure i care either anymore. The Ex honda team Brawn GP look pretty fast, wonder if honda will regret leaving, and weather Merc will end up supplying them substandard engines to help the others win. Then again winter testing is just that, and wouldnt rule to much about any test times. Should be a very interesting year. If not then it should be scrapped to the history books.
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i was considering today seeing what the odds were like on rubens barrechello winning a race this year, maybe im 15 days too late to get the best odds but if their testing pace is accurate they could be right up at the forefront (and could have made me a pretty penny!) i wish them all the best :)




new twin systems for drivers championship are just plain confusing, one system for the championship winner to be decided upon and then the rest on another system, it rewards someone whos quick but perhaps unreliable (wins 10 races crashes out of the rest) more than someone who wins 9 races and finishes 2nd in the rest

returning to a higher points spred for the winner 1 was much better, and i thought that was what the teams had decided to put to vote, not the (now implemented) new system which smacks too much of ecclestones rediculously retarded medals system
 
Most deffo worth a bet i recon Button for championship, although 3 years ago i pridicted Raikonnen to win champ in the the final race, Hamilton to win chapm in the final race, and Massa to do the same in the 3rd year, so far 2 years right just need the 3rd now lol.

But like you say no reward for consistancy, exactly what the FIA are trying to stop, as people arnt racing for 1st, worst thing they ever did was increase the points for 2nd place so fully agree about the bigger points spread, (much the same as for WSB 25points for the win 20 for 2nd 16 points for 3rd, then decrease a point for each position down to 15th
 
if it makes for better racing i,m all for it
 
The FOTA proposal of a 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 points system would have done exactly the same thing, without resorting to this system. I agree that consistency shouldn't be the be all and end all, but it needs to come into the equation somewhere, surely?

Don't get me started on the proposed rule for 2010 of a voluntary budget cap of $30m per season per team. If want to race with unlimited funds that's fine, but you would have to conform to a much more restrictive set of technical regulations; so at a time when F1 is trying to attract the casual fan, they are thinking of having cars built to two totally seperate sets of rules racing together. The mind boggles...
 
susie said:
Of course!!! I heard it on the news, they said Ferrari would have won if it had been in last year.
If someone dares to beat them again this year they will probably change it again next year!!!
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but the teams would have been using different strategies if the points system was different so it cant really be said ferrari would have won.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but many moons ago(1980's) when I was a young boy(unlike now memory of a gold fish) didn't they allow teams to drop results from the final tally of points, best 11 results out of full season counted:shrug:
 
foggy4ever said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but many moons ago(1980's) when I was a young boy(unlike now memory of a gold fish) didn't they allow teams to drop results from the final tally of points, best 11 results out of full season counted:shrug:
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Yes they did, the last season that happened was 1988, Ayrton Senna's first world title. That year, if all scores had been counted, Prost would have been champion.
 
So a fair points system that favours teams going for the win rather than settling for some points would make better racing than counting wins alone.
So in a season of 18 races for example you could win 10 and finish last in 8 and be champion but win 8 and finish second in 10 and come runner up:razz:
extreme example but:cuckoo:

its been known in bikes with their points system for sombody to be crowned champion without ever winning a race(Ben Bostrom AMA)
 
So if you're running in a position with no chance of winning the race then you might as well pull out and save your engine/gear box?
 
Why not just increase the difference in awarded points between 1st and 2nd, and 2nd and third?

TBH, F1 may as well be called Ferrari1. They rule the roost.
 
OutLore said:
Why not just increase the difference in awarded points between 1st and 2nd, and 2nd and third?

TBH, F1 may as well be called Ferrari1. They rule the roost.
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They could use the same point system as motorcycle racing

25,20,16 etc it would also give the lower teams a chance of some points.
 
I think the only way the new way would be any good would be if there were some sort of penalty for not finishing to prevent the big boys pulling out with a perfectly servicable car when they knew there was no chance of winning - but that means the teams with less money would suffer.

What about the highest number of podium finishes wins the championship?
 
F1 seems to be looking for itself having vanished up its own fundamental orifice.

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badgerbaiter said:
i like it

no more ****ing around driving for points
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I've pretty well lost all interest in F1 Sunday afternoon processions, but I'm inclined to agree with you that anything which livens things up is an improvement. Here's my cynical view of life in the pitlane:

Change always provokes a "leave it alone" response,

Every system will favour one team over another.
 
dlh said:
So if you're running in a position with no chance of winning the race then you might as well pull out and save your engine/gear box?
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not really no...

as there's still the WCC, thats the team will want..

and also, if your tied 1st on win's at the end, then it comes down to who's got the most point, so all point will still help at the end of the day
 
dlh said:
So if you're running in a position with no chance of winning the race then you might as well pull out and save your engine/gear box?
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Spot on I think we are going to lots of tactical retirements and lots of unexpected cars and drivers getting podium finishes,it will be a joke and its just to help Ferrari

And I used to be a Tifosi
 
RichardC27 said:
The FOTA proposal of a 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 points system would have done exactly the same thing, without resorting to this system. I agree that consistency shouldn't be the be all and end all, but it needs to come into the equation somewhere, surely?
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i think tis should have been done personally, along with a point for pole position and a point for the fastest lap of the race, that would give and make drivers fight more IMO
 
CaptainPenguin said:
Spot on I think we are going to lots of tactical retirements and lots of unexpected cars and drivers getting podium finishes,it will be a joke and its just to help Ferrari

And I used to be a Tifosi
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I follow lots of motorsports, i cannot for the life of me see how a rule like that canbe said to be helpping just one team, everyone has to play by the same rules. Just because Massa won more races in a Ferrari last year doesn't Massa or Raikonen will do that same next year, there car maybe a pile of dog ........

Yes i agree Ferrari have sailed close to the rules at times, but so have Meclearn, (i.e twin brake pedals to brake just one side of the car to enable better turn in) they werent done, just told to remove it, Renault and tuned mass dampers, no penatlie just told not to run it etc.

If people get disqual from races later in the season to prevent any-one other then Massa winning then id be prepared to start saying it's to bennifit them.

The fact its with completely new areo cars, any-one could have come up with a wining package, i.e Brawn have been leading most of the times in the last testing, with Mclearn at the bottom.
 
lets just hope they dont implement this stupid system into WRC...... because if they did the championship would be over in about a month and a halfs time.....
 
The fact that a driver with 120 points at the end of the season could quite feasibly lose the championship to a driver with 90 points is a total mockery of every champion that ever came before. wins are important and yes, I agree with FOTA, a greater points differential for a win was a good idea, but FIa have once again ridden rough shod over what the teams [including ferarri btw] and the fans want. Please see Nods post for my opinion on F1 rule makers :bat:
 
cant see the point of it at all tbh, it should be consitancy aswell over a full season not just who wins what
 
it must be a crap system, even the nascar drivers have slammed it.


personally i hope that they dont just can it for a year, they can it completely.


from the press releases and articles the FOTA were completely against bernies medals system yet that article suggests that they thought all the teams were 'all for it' did the FIA stand around with their fingers in their ears???!
 
Yv said:
total mockery of every champion that ever came before.
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you play to the current rules, therefore it has no sway on any previous championships, although off the top of my head piquet would not have won any of his three championships, neither would kiki rosberg, however i presume that one Mr S.Moss, would have benefitted
 
whitewash said:
you play to the current rules, therefore it has no sway on any previous championships, although off the top of my head piquet would not have won any of his three championships, neither would kiki rosberg, however i presume that one Mr S.Moss, would have benefitted
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I dont claim it has any sway, just a bit fed up of the 'if xxxx had had this, then the results would have been..." - HAD this been in play in previous years, different drivers would have taken a different approach, therefore the mockery..if that make sense?


however the FIA seem to have opened their eyes and removed the earplugs [unusually for them] and it has been suspended, hopefully forever, but for at least a season, thankfully :thumbs:
 
there is some talk that the diffusors on the Braun and Williams car might be illegal, they have come up with a different design to the others, a bit like the barge boards from a few years ago...
 
matty said:
there is some talk that the diffusors on the Braun and Williams car might be illegal, they have come up with a different design to the others, a bit like the barge boards from a few years ago...
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it isnt a pair of hair straighteners you know!!!

the bizzare thing that i find is that williams and toyota have both contacted the FIA about their 'interpretation' of the rules and the fia have said that they are within the rules, whats stupid is that the entire issue will now be decided by melbourne scrutineers etc who will have the definitive say as to whether its legal or not. why cant the FIA just say 'its legal therefore any protest made in melbourne about the diffusers will not be heard' that would however be too bloody easy and straight forwards for anything done by the fia...!

instead we;ll probably get a good race yet again ruined by a post race 'investigation'
 
FIA need to grow a pair, if they have already said its good once, then that should be that
 
Well basically you might as well not bother getting out of bed to see the first race, because the result wil not be official for a few weeks afterwards :bang:

I do agree, I don't see why the fact the FIA have said its ok is not enough, surely they are the rule makers, its about time they stopped all this 'the buck stops elsewhere because it allows the teams to look stupid by either designing it wrongly, or making a failed appeal' lark. Muppets.
 
whitewash said:
it isnt a pair of hair straighteners you know!!!

the bizzare thing that i find is that williams and toyota have both contacted the FIA about their 'interpretation' of the rules and the fia have said that they are within the rules, whats stupid is that the entire issue will now be decided by melbourne scrutineers etc who will have the definitive say as to whether its legal or not. why cant the FIA just say 'its legal therefore any protest made in melbourne about the diffusers will not be heard' that would however be too bloody easy and straight forwards for anything done by the fia...!

instead we;ll probably get a good race yet again ruined by a post race 'investigation'
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Couldn't have put it better myself. However, the teams speak to Charlie Whiting, and as we saw last year, he can be over-ruled by race stewards who don't really know what they're on about.

I find this climbdown over the points system utterly ridiculous. The FIA have said for several years that they want to attract the casual fan and boost the TV audience; they then announce a fundamental change to scoring system, only to change their mind a day later in the face of huge public and internal criticism. As a casual fan I'd think the whole sport was a shambles and go and watch cricket instead. I'm a huge motorsport fan, and even though I massively prefer sportscar racing, I'll watch F1 pretty much no matter what, but the teams, sponsors and the FIA can't rely on people like me forever.
 
Hmm so i just read, Mclearn have an interesting design to. The cars should face a pre-start check. Sounds like another row like the mass damper. Maybe we'll see some tightening/clearification of reg's rather then any penalties.

Not sure if i can be bothered to make special effort to get up for this after reading that.
 
russdaz said:
Hmm so i just read, Mclearn have an interesting design to. The cars should face a pre-start check. Sounds like another row like the mass damper. Maybe we'll see some tightening/clearification of reg's rather then any penalties.

Not sure if i can be bothered to make special effort to get up for this after reading that.
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I'll be SkyPlus-ing it and watching it at a more leisurely hour. I only get up early and watch it live when a world title is at stake :lol: You never get this form of tit for tat protesting in other forms of racing do you?
 
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