The great TP election thread

I agree, the obsession with how much money someone else has is just odd, anyone that has a penny more than you is 'richer' and seems to be begrudged. What someone has in their bank account, or the value of their house, or the education they received matters not a bloody jot as to whether they can do their jobs. Many politicians these days are 'career' politicians with precious little life experience outside politics, and whilst I don't think that should be the case, it is and the 20 year old SNP new MP has proved it is a trend not likely to change in the immediate future.
As already pointed out, in the south east, but particularly inside the M25, being a millionaire because the property you bought 20 or 30 years ago or more has increased in value doesn't make you 'stinking rich' and living in that environment with lots of these people I can assure you, most of them are as hard working as anyone in 200,000 pound houses and probably enjoy only a similar level of life luxuries.

dejongj said:
Great result. So now there are no excuses, not blaming anyone else etc. They set out to deliver this:

•No rise in any rates of Income Tax, NIC or VAT
•Increasing the threshold for payment of the 40% Income Tax rate to £50,000
•Increasing Personal Allowance to £12,500 and in future increasing it in line with increases in the National Minimum Wage
•Introducing an extra IHT allowance of £175,000 per person available only against the family home, so bringing a couple’s IHT nil rate band up to £1m
•Increasing the "Remittance Basis User Charge" for people domiciled outside the UK
•Reducing tax relief for pension contributions for taxpayers with income over £150,000
•Maintaining the "most competitive business tax regime in the G20"
•Giving employees of "large employers" and the public sector a right to three days per year paid leave for voluntary work
•200,000 Starter Homes by 2020 (to be available to under 40s, at 20% off market value).

Lets hold them to it and support them getting the job done.
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Yep, let's see how well they can stick to those plans, its going to be an interesting 5 years.
 
I think it is sensible not to "force" smaller employers to do that. I know many who barely pay themselves let alone giving three extra days off for the greater good without return to themselves.

As a wise man said; if you are thinking of giving back, then you've taken too much ;)
 
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Cobra said:
Plenty of ideals there, and I hope they stick to it, but where is the short fall in the revenue coming from now?
Fuel duty? (I'm sure that was never mentioned as being held)
the ever popular "bedroom tax" ?
Sell off the NHS?
And what ever other stealth taxes they can think up.



I'll volunteer to take 3 days off but what about the smaller employers?
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i guess it would be handled in the same way as holidays, i dont let more than 2 from the same department have time off together except at christmas, so if people want to have 3 days to pick up other peoples rubbish then i'll let them, as long as it falls at the right time.
 
There are more pandas in Scotland than Labour MPs.
 
big soft moose said:
true , but being a wealthy a******e born with a silver spoon in your arse doesnt help you formulate policies that actually benefit the average man in the street
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Do you find people who are wealthy (and you yourself are not poor and impoverished) poor. Whats wrong with those who are from wealthier backgrounds than you? The conservatives, as it happens, have twigged that other peoples money doesn't grow on tree's and needs spent cautiously and wisely for the good of those who pay into the economy, not wantonly because a mob of people say they want X, Y and Z.
 
kendo1 said:
There are more pandas in Scotland than Labour MPs.
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yeah but the Scottish breed like runny babbits...and pandas breed like....rocks :lol:
 
Ah!
A parcel of rogues in a nation...


Farewell to all our Scottish fame
Farewell our ancient glory
Farewell even to our Scottish name
Sae fam'd in martial story
Now Sark runs over the Solway sands
And Tweed runs to the ocean
To mark where England's province stands:
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

What force or gile could not subdue
Through many warlike ages
Is wrought now by a coward few
For hireling traitor's wages
The English steel we could disdain
Secure in valour's station
But English gold has been our bane:
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

I would, or I had seen the day
That treason thus could sell us
My auld gray head had lain in clay
Wi' Bruce and loyal Wallace!
But pith and power, till my last hour
I'll make this declaration
We were bought and sold for English gold:
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
 
kendo1 said:
Ah!
A parcel of rogues in a nation...


Farewell to all our Scottish fame
Farewell our ancient glory
Farewell even to our Scottish name
Sae fam'd in martial story
Now Sark runs over the Solway sands
And Tweed runs to the ocean
To mark where England's province stands:
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

What force or gile could not subdue
Through many warlike ages
Is wrought now by a coward few
For hireling traitor's wages
The English steel we could disdain
Secure in valour's station
But English gold has been our bane:
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

I would, or I had seen the day
That treason thus could sell us
My auld gray head had lain in clay
Wi' Bruce and loyal Wallace!
But pith and power, till my last hour
I'll make this declaration
We were bought and sold for English gold:
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
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Oh wait.....
Was I supposed to wake up for that?
 
viv1969 said:
Oh wait.....
Was I supposed to wake up for that?
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Probably. I got carried away with a connection and then forgot the connection...
:) I think it was something to do with a Nation of Breeders.
Good song anyway, and kind of apt.
 
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Cobra said:
I'm off to rebuild Hadrian's wall, any volunteers to help?

:D
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Ah but there's a bit of England north of Hadrian's wall isn't there? Don't you want to keep that too? :)
 
Buck said:
Ah but there's a bit of England north of Hadrian's wall isn't there? Don't you want to keep that too? :)
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It's probably called 'Freedom!'.

... but you'll never have it! :)
 
Buck said:
Ah but there's a bit of England north of Hadrian's wall isn't there? Don't you want to keep that too? :)
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Some collateral damage is acceptable in any war :D
 
As much as one admires Burns as a poet, as a political commenter I find him lacking.
Why not direct his ire at the reckless policy of empire building that impoverished Scotland to bring about the Union?

Typical socialist - ignore the cause and complain about the solution...


;)
 
ST4 said:
Do you find people who are wealthy (and you yourself are not poor and impoverished) poor. Whats wrong with those who are from wealthier backgrounds than you? The conservatives, as it happens, have twigged that other peoples money doesn't grow on tree's and needs spent cautiously and wisely for the good of those who pay into the economy, not wantonly because a mob of people say they want X, Y and Z.
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I'm on 27k a year and don't own a house - I'm not brassic by any means but nor am I likely to be invited to join one of call me Daves clubs

that aside i find it highly ammusing that die hard ukip supporters have suddently become tory supporters overnight after ukip proved to be all show and no go
 
Cobra said:
I'm off to rebuild Hadrian's wall, any volunteers to help?

:D
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I'm with you - but I say we aim to hold the land betwen the walls and rebuild the antonine wall and put our legions on patrol in the valley of the River Tava ( thats the Tay). Incidentally the reason the romans pulled back from that position is reputedly that the tribes in that area, the vecciones were total and complete head cases... some things never change
 
big soft moose said:
I'm on 27k a year and don't own a house - I'm not brassic by any means but nor am I likely to be invited to join one of call me Daves clubs

that aside i find it highly ammusing that die hard ukip supporters have suddently become tory supporters overnight after ukip proved to be all show and no go
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No need to be invited at all, everyone in the big society is welcome...

UKIP was interesting, I agree (despite being an EU migrant myself) with a lot of what they were saying. And the number of absolute votes should not be underestimated, heck a lot more than the SNP got ;) There is still a lot of potential there, however they need credible candidates and a much broader focus to be a party to win seats.

I'm very disappointed that all three leaders immediately quit very strange.
 
dejongj said:
No need to be invited at all, everyone in the big society is welcome...

UKIP was interesting, I agree (despite being an EU migrant myself) with a lot of what they were saying. And the number of absolute votes should not be underestimated, heck a lot more than the SNP got ;) There is still a lot of potential there, however they need credible candidates and a much broader focus to be a party to win seats.

I'm very disappointed that all three leaders immediately quit very strange.
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Not strange at all really.
All of them failed dismally.
Walk before you're pushed.
 
Llamaman said:
As much as one admires Burns as a poet, as a political commenter I find him lacking.
Why not direct his ire at the reckless policy of empire building that impoverished Scotland to bring about the Union?

Typical socialist - ignore the cause and complain about the solution...


;)
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It did.
It's an oblique reference, but it is there. It's partly what the poem is about, not just the commissioners who sold out Scotland to England
The Darien Scheme in South America which ruined Scotland in one way, but in another ushered in a transformation in Scottish business.
 
viv1969 said:
Not strange at all really.
All of them failed dismally.
Walk before you're pushed.
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Only one can win, should everyone else quit every time? Sure Nick Clegg was on the block I agree with that. Vince should have gone a long time ago, him and Ed Balls loosing out was actually the real highlight. But UKIP did better than the SNP in absolutes, and I think Labour did better than they could have expected. Ed should have gone over what he did to become leader, but not run away now like a coward and leave the party without leadership.

I find it a shame that there was nothing agreeable with Nicola for me, nor Leanne, I quite admired both in how they behaved and knew their stuff subject with some passion. Yes, shame about their so different outlook which was only compatible with a relatively small group of people, even combined not larger than the UKIP vote.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next 10 years ...
 
dejongj said:
, but not run away now like a coward and leave the party without leadership....
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I understand he said he'd fall on his sword if they lost, they lost so he resigned fair does... and they arent without a leader Harriet Harman is interim leader until a party leadership contest can be held.

Libdems have a more pressing issue - with only 8 MPs if they want a leader who can speak in the house the field is pretty small
 
big soft moose said:
total and complete head cases... some things never change
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As I understand it, they used to whip off their kilts as they charged at the enemy stark b*****k naked,
its enough to put anyone off their breakfast :D
 
Cobra said:
As I understand it, they used to whip off their kilts as they charged at the enemy stark b*****k naked,
its enough to put anyone off their breakfast :D
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Eat your cereal.
 
Your predilections are no concern of mine!
 
kendo1 said:
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It did.
It's an oblique reference, but it is there. It's partly what the poem is about, not just the commissioners who sold out Scotland to England
The Darien Scheme in South America which ruined Scotland in one way, but in another ushered in a transformation in Scottish business.
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I was trying to make a cheap shot of a joke...

More winks required? ;) ;) ;) ;)
 
Cobra said:
As I understand it, they used to whip off their kilts as they charged at the enemy stark b*****k naked,
its enough to put anyone off their breakfast :D
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We just do that on holidays now.
Fighting the English was considered 'holidays' back then.
 
Labour leader - they should ask Russell Brand ......... Labour did a "great job" allowing him to endorse them ......... the Tories must have been laughing all the way to gaining two or three marginals because of his TV appearance

what idiots the Labour party are .... they don't know their left from their right
 
The electoral system is wrong and un democratic when 1 party can get 3.8 million votes (12%) and only gets 1MP in the house of commons yet another party gets 1.4 million votes (4.7%) and gets 56MPs in the house of commons.That's the real story!
 
shapeshifter said:
The electoral system is wrong and un democratic when 1 party can get 3.8 million votes (12%) and only gets 1MP in the house of commons yet another party gets 1.4 million votes (4.7%) and gets 56MPs in the house of commons.That's the real story!
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You're doing it too, the SNP won most of the seats it stood in you can't compare percentage of the vote against all 650 constituencies when they only stood in 59 of them. You're right though fptp was designed for a two party system and doesn't reflect the political will of the voters any more.
 
Steep said:
You're doing it too, the SNP won most of the seats it stood in you can't compare percentage of the vote against all 650 constituencies when they only stood in 59 of them. You're right though fptp was designed for a two party system and doesn't reflect the political will of the voters any more.
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Why not stand in more areas? I think they would have gotten a lot more votes...
 
shapeshifter said:
The electoral system is wrong and un democratic when 1 party can get 3.8 million votes (12%) and only gets 1MP in the house of commons yet another party gets 1.4 million votes (4.7%) and gets 56MPs in the house of commons.That's the real story!
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It's not the whole story though. See previous post. SNP were only contesting in Scotland for 59 seats, UKIP were contesting 624 out of 650
 
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