The great TP election thread

viv1969 said:
I see Farage couldn’t even be arsed to turn up to a meeting of prospective candidates in the seat he intends to challenge a few evenings ago. There’s dedication for you.
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A bit like his attendance record at the European parliament then. Sign in, get allowance, head to nearest bar.
 
archangel said:
Today's hot political topic seems to be the suggestion by the Greens to "group" with the SNP........I have never really understood the Greens to be honest......nor their policies......or what they are trying to achieve.....:confused:
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Right now they (Green) are trying to win over liberal voters who have lost faith in the Liberal Democrats. They'll probably do quite well at it, but due to our FPTP system it won't make a damn bit of difference.
 
VOTE MARCEL!
 
Nigel Farage paid a nice visit to Stoke Mandeville yesterday to see how they may be affectected by HS2.

I suspect this:

“Jimmy Savile and now HS2, Stoke Mandeville has had it all!”

Was not the way to go! Muppet.
 
Yip...was beginning to feel like we were being haunted by the ghost of referendum past.:nailbiting:
 
Indeed, only yesterday Balls was squirming on the subject (as in Ed not the vasectomy thread)
 
Be aware when you form your opinion based on what you read that what you read is purely what they think will sell newspapers.

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archangel said:
Well as you all know that wonderful event known as the General Election will be held.......

So I was thinking that we should have a little corner of TP where we can discuss the daily happenings in the big bad political world.....

Usual rules..... respect of others and no trolling......


I will start off with today's news that Mr Cameron has been trying to side step the televised debate and invoke a set of rules but yet in back in 2010 during a commons debate he accused Blair of hiding from the public, when asked to provide regular tv debates.....pot and black come to mind.......
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I must have missed it, I could swear I saw a newsflash that he will participate in a debate.
 
Anyone had a go at this yet? https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

Some fella decided to build a website around the parties' manifestos and try and allow people to make informed choices. Interesting results indeed. For me, it was close to what I expected, for my wife it was laughably opposite. Really showed me that for some people - if you separate the policies from the politicians, you can end up with interesting things...
 
Harlequin565 said:
Anyone had a go at this yet? https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

Some fella decided to build a website around the parties' manifestos and try and allow people to make informed choices. Interesting results indeed. For me, it was close to what I expected, for my wife it was laughably opposite. Really showed me that for some people - if you separate the policies from the politicians, you can end up with interesting things...
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I must admit I am surprised in some of my results......Labour came in second potential choice....a party that I would never vote for:confused:

Number one suggestion was UKIP but I was truly amazed how well the green party has factored in the local and national results.

Viewing my local area results the greens have the lead......
 
Harlequin565 said:
Anyone had a go at this yet? https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

Some fella decided to build a website around the parties' manifestos and try and allow people to make informed choices. Interesting results indeed. For me, it was close to what I expected, for my wife it was laughably opposite. Really showed me that for some people - if you separate the policies from the politicians, you can end up with interesting things...
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Only had time to do one quickly based on the Economy and no surprise in the result on policies there :)
 
Oh arse. I did mine on Crime, Economy, NHS and Immigration.
 
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kelack said:
Oh arse. I did mine on Crime, Economy, NHS and Immigration.
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Roflmao that says it all for this election. Just pick the color you prefer. I wished there was an orange one :)
 
I might do it again later with all the policies and see. I'm useless with politics. Don't know anything about them, so easily swayed and think they are all as bad as each other.
 
But isn't that the point, just look at the policies instead of all the blah and point scoring.

Not sure who is behind the site though. The FAQs suggest they are independent, but is anyone these days?
 
dejongj said:
Not sure who is behind the site though. The FAQs suggest they are independent, but is anyone these days?
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Exactly my first thought too.
 
Looks like I'm independent :D
 
Excuse me if im being naive here then, but why does it matter who put the site together? Surely the results you get are going to be based on the choices you have made. How can that be at all biased towards one Party or another? I did of course assume that the policies I was viewing were presented acurately across the board :D

I ended up picking the policies of 3 different parties, after looking at Crime, Education, Immigration, NHS and Economy. My results showed that 60% of the policies I chose were from the same party (which came as a surprise), and the other 2 were split 20% / 20%.
 
Nikon_Nick said:
Excuse me if im being naive here then, but why does it matter who put the site together? Surely the results you get are going to be based on the choices you have made. How can that be at all biased towards one Party or another? I did of course assume that the policies I was viewing were presented acurately across the board :D

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And it is exactly that assumption that I made as well. So best to check the facts around the policies.
 
archangel said:
I must admit I am surprised in some of my results......Labour came in second potential choice....a party that I would never vote for:confused:

Number one suggestion was UKIP but I was truly amazed how well the green party has factored in the local and national results.

Viewing my local area results the greens have the lead......
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Greens are doing pretty well, just a shame they have no idea how they'd pay for any of their proposals or I might even consider voting for them!
 
Man oh man what on earth is labour doing. Keep going that way if you want to ruin this great country and drive business and employment away. What a bunch of Muppets.
 
dejongj said:
Man oh man what on earth is labour doing. Keep going that way if you want to ruin this great country and drive business and employment away. What a bunch of Muppets.
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You mean with them saying they'd do away with Zero hour contracts?

Quite right too IMO, ridiculous that they even exist.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
You mean with them saying they'd do away with Zero hour contracts? Quite right too IMO, ridiculous that they even exist.
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I agree in principle, but I'll also say that its a tough call TBH, does it mean that people actually get employed that wouldn't have in the first place?
Some money coming in, rather than none, if you see what I mean.

As an aside prior to being made redundant sometime back, I was put on a zero hour contract, from a salaried position.
(I wasn't officially told that I was about to be made redundant, but it didn't take a genius to work out that's what was about to happen)

I was guaranteed that I would be paid for hours worked, nothing more nothing less,
for those last few months running up to redundancy, my monthly income went up by 50% :D
 
Cobra said:
I agree in principle, but I'll also say that its a tough call TBH, does it mean that people actually get employed that wouldn't have in the first place?
Some money coming in, rather than none, if you see what I mean.

As an aside prior to being made redundant sometime back, I was put on a zero hour contract, from a salaried position.
(I wasn't officially told that I was about to be made redundant, but it didn't take a genius to work out that's what was about to happen)

I was guaranteed that I would be paid for hours worked, nothing more nothing less,
for those last few months running up to redundancy, my monthly income went up by 50% :D
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It's fine for those who don't need the income to pay rent and bills, but not those who actually *need* employment. It just seems to be a way to not count people as unemployed and to not have to pay any holiday pay.

If a company needs an employee for 0 hours, then they don't actually need an employee. If they only need someone for a short amount of time each week, then be honest and contract them for that.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
It's fine for those who don't need the income to pay rent and bills, but not those who actually *need* employment. It just seems to be a way to not count people as unemployed and to not have to pay any holiday pay.
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Playing devils advocate here (and as I said I don't necessarily agree with zero hours)
But at least there is some income, coming in, if they don't like it they can go get a job on "hours"
The counter argument to that is there are none, so that goes back to the point at least they are earning something,
and if they are on a low wage then surely they would be entitled to "supplements"?
I agree though, that it is a way of manipulating the unemployment figures.

TBH its no different to working for a "run of the mill" agency.
And that's why many companies employ agency staff, if the work is not there, then they can get rid, with no hassles.
 
Cobra said:
Playing devils advocate here (and as I said I don't necessarily agree with zero hours)
But at least there is some income, coming in, if they don't like it they can go get a job on "hours"
The counter argument to that is there are none, so that goes back to the point at least they are earning something,
and if they are on a low wage then surely they would be entitled to "supplements"?
I agree though, that it is a way of manipulating the unemployment figures.

TBH its no different to working for a "run of the mill" agency.
And that's why many companies employ agency staff, if the work is not there, then they can get rid, with no hassles.
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I agree on the last point, but agency staff just seems more honest to me, you know you're on a temp contract. Perm contract with zero hours just seem to remove all of the employees rights. They can in effect, sack you at any time, just by reducing your hours to zero, but you're still technically employed.

It causes havoc with benefits as well, as some weeks you're entitled to help, and some you're not. So constantly having to apply / cancel / reapply / adjust benefits levels.
 
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