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I see Red Bull have given up on trying to place Colton Herta in an AlphaTauri next year.
 
Got to love the arrogance of Helmut Marko in thinking that just because Herta is american that the FIA should wave superlicence qualifying levels
 
AgentOrange76 said:
Got to love the arrogance of Helmut Marko in thinking that just because Herta is american that the FIA should wave superlicence qualifying levels
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It‘s opened up debate about superlicense weighting, which is a good thing. It does seem crazy to me that IndyCar wins aren’t worth as much as F2 wins.
 
Whilst F1 will have 24 races next year, across the globe, IndyCar can only manage a paltry 17.
There are some great tracks that no longer have IndyCar races.
A shame.
 
I'd like to see them back on 2 mile ovals, Michigan or Calafornia. Must be time for another crack at Gil de Feran's lap record.
 
I gave up watching at one point because it was all Ovals and got a bit too samey. Nascar manage what, 40 odd races? and has added more road courses and even a dirt track event.
 
Used to watch Indycar quite regularly, but have only been an occasional viewer in recent seasons.
 
AgentOrange76 said:
I gave up watching at one point because it was all Ovals and got a bit too samey. Nascar manage what, 40 odd races? and has added more road courses and even a dirt track event.
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It has been many many years since ovals were the norm. What’s missing from the mix is Super Speedways.
 
2022 FORMULA 1 SINGAPORE AIRLINES SINGAPORE GRAND PRIX

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Marina Bay Street Circuit
Lap data
Lap length 5.065km (3.147 miles)
Race laps 61
Race distance 308.965km (191.982 miles)
Pole position Right-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’47.187 (Daniel Ricciardo, 2016)
Fastest lap 1’36.015 (Lewis Hamilton, 2018, qualifying three)
Maximum speed 323kph (200.703 mph)
Distance from grid to turn one 301m
Full throttle 49%
Longest flat-out section 832m
Downforce level Maximum
Gear changes per lap 70
Pit lane time loss 20.94s

UK Times
Friday 30th September 2022
Singapore Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 18:00-19:00 (UK time: 11:00-12:00)
Singapore Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 21:00-22:00 (UK time: 14:00-15:00)
Saturday 1st October 2022
Singapore Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 18:00-19:00 (UK time: 11:00-12:00)
Singapore Grand Prix Qualifying: 21:00 (UK time: 14:00)
Sunday 2nd October 2022
Singapore Grand Prix: 20:00 (UK time: 13:00)

Max will win the title....

- If he wins the race with a fastest lap (26 points) and Leclerc finishes eighth (4 points) or lower and Perez finishes fourth (12 points) or lower
- If he wins the race without a fastest lap (25 points) and Leclerc finishes ninth (2 points) or lower and Perez finishes fourth (12 points) or lower without a fastest lap or fifth with a fastest lap (11 points)


Previous Winners
2008 Spain Fernando Alonso Renault Marina Bay
2009 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
2010 Spain Fernando Alonso Ferrari
2011 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2012 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2013 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2014 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2015 Germany Sebastian Vettel Ferrari
2016 Germany Nico Rosberg Mercedes
2017 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2018 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2019 Germany Sebastian Vettel Ferrari


Videos

Vettel 2015
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pH3T5pt0Lk



Standings
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AgentOrange76 said:
I gave up watching at one point because it was all Ovals and got a bit too samey. Nascar manage what, 40 odd races? and has added more road courses and even a dirt track event.
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36 championship races, plus the All star race and the duels.

I'm happy with the balance of different types of races at the moment, it feels like it's not a 1.5 mile oval every week any more, Those certainly have their place but I like the variety.
 
GeeJay57 said:
Used to watch Indycar quite regularly, but have only been an occasional viewer in recent seasons.
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Give it another go, the racing is almost always excellent. Far more entertaining than F1
 
I have just seen in the news that Red Bull is accused of a £5M overspend in 2021 and, although speculation, they could lose points and Vestappen rightly stripped of the title he did not win according to the rules. This would certainly please me though I am happy that Verstappen rightly leads this year and will almost certainly win the 2022 title.

Dave
 
Dave Canon said:
I have just seen in the news that Red Bull is accused of a £5M overspend in 2021 and, although speculation, they could lose points and Vestappen rightly stripped of the title he did not win according to the rules. This would certainly please me though I am happy that Verstappen rightly leads this year and will almost certainly win the 2022 title.

Dave
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£5m in F1 terms is a drop in the ocean.....
 
Dave Canon said:
I have just seen in the news that Red Bull is accused of a £5M overspend in 2021 and, although speculation, they could lose points and Vestappen rightly stripped of the title he did not win according to the rules. This would certainly please me though I am happy that Verstappen rightly leads this year and will almost certainly win the 2022 title.

Dave
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They won’t be losing any points and neither will Max.
 
With Ferrari being the team pushing for the maximum possible sanctions against Red Bull, I wouldn't be betting on that.

I wonder if the cost of defending the case will come out of this year's capped budget...
 
Nod said:
With Ferrari being the team pushing for the maximum possible sanctions against Red Bull, I wouldn't be betting on that.

I wonder if the cost of defending the case will come out of this year's capped budget...
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Maybe…

If Red Bull get more than a slap on the wrist, I’ll be surprised.
 
So, what are the odds on Checo playing his wingman role and cleaning out Chuck Le Cluck tomorrow so that Max can win the title this weekend?
 
I dont think it will happen but I hope Lewis gets given last years title. Even Max must know he won b****r all.
This year a different story.
 
Jelster said:
£5m in F1 terms is a drop in the ocean.....
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Not with the cost cap set to £145m
£5m is 3.5% of the cost cap. One article suggests thats enough to fund 50 additional staff based on average salary's or 2/3rds of the amount allocated by the teams maximising the cost cap for in season development.

Teams like Williams are rumoured to operate on a £40m budget - £5m would be very welcome
 
A good accountant will ensure that no one will find an overspend, in fact probably make it look like an underspend! F1 teams remind me of a politician, shake their hand and then count your fingers, trust nothing they say or do, they are all win at any method.
 
2022 FORMULA 1 HONDA JAPANESE GRAND PRIX

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Suzuka International Racing Course
Lap data
Lap length 5.807km (3.608 miles)
Race laps 53
Race distance 307.471km (191.054 miles)
Pole position Left-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’31.540 (Kimi Raikkonen, 2005)
Fastest lap 1’27.319 (Lewis Hamilton, 2017, qualifying three)
Maximum speed 328kph (203.81 mph)
DRS zone/s (race) Pit straight
Distance from grid to turn one 405m
Full throttle 66%
Longest flat-out section 994m
Downforce level High
Gear changes per lap 48
Fuel use per lap 1.89kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel 0.074s
Pit lane time loss 17.65s

UK Times
Friday 7th October 2022
Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 13:00-14:00 (UK time: 5:00-6:00)
Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 16:00-17:00 (UK time: 8:00-9:00)
Saturday 8th October 2022
Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 13:00-14:00 (UK time: 5:00-6:00)
Japanese Grand Prix Qualifying: 16:00 (UK time: 8:00)
Sunday 9th October 2022
Japanese Grand Prix: 14:00 (UK time: 6:00)


Max will win the title if he finishes the Japanese Grand Prix weekend with a lead of 112 points.
If he wins in Japan with the bonus point for fastest lap, he will be crowned champion.



Previous Winners
2009 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault Suzuka
2010 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2011 United Kingdom Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes
2012 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2013 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2014 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2015 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2016 Germany Nico Rosberg Mercedes
2017 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2018 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2019 Finland Valtteri Bottas Mercedes
2020–2021 Not held


Videos

Schumacher 2001
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34luSz5i28s


Prost 1990
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEZvjY7Mweg



Standings
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Wonder if Fernando will overtake anyone around the outside of 130R this year?
 
WTF!!! Did they never learn to have a recovery tractor in the way as last time sadly a driver died, they need to bang some heads together and make sure it Never happens again.
Edit... Well done Max on being the 2022 F1 Champion.
 
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Max has barely put a wheel wrong this year. Great driver, great car, solid work from RBR on the pitwall, in the garage and at the factory. All that brings championships.
 
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Can't help wondering how much last year's overbudget spending might have helped them this year too.
 
Nod said:
Can't help wondering how much last year's overbudget spending might have helped them this year too.
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If indeed RBR (or any other team) have overspent, that should result in severe penalties. Unless the can gets kicked down the road again, we should find out tomorrow if a) they have overspent and b) what the consequences will be.
 
Interested to see the outcome on the cost cap stuff, not expecting much if any punishment doled out though if the more recent media leaks are true.
Well done to Max on the title, has been the class of the field this year, I wish I'd stuck a few quid on him after the first few races when Ferrari looked much stronger!
 
Nod said:
Interesting story with quotes from Ross Brawn last year...

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-...ws-Ross-Brawn-FIA-Aston-Martin-Lewis-Hamilton
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Ross is right. Without real consequences for busting the cap, it’s a waste of time trying to impose one. I’ve read comments that Red Bull’s overspend was on catering and staff welfare. Well, they should instead have diverted funds from other (perhaps performance related) areas of the business to make sure they could continue to look after their staff appropriately.

However, there’s no way the FiA are going take away titles that have already been awarded. They could perhaps bar Red Bull from accruing any more constructors points this season, which might have an impact on who gets the constructors title. But even that is unlikely.

Nope, it’ll all be swept under the carpet next the Ferrari ’over fuelling’ details…
 
2022 FORMULA 1 ARAMCO UNITED STATES GRAND PRIX

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Circuit of The Americas
Lap data
Lap length 5.513km (3.426 miles)
Race laps 56
Race distance 308.728km (191.835 miles)
Pole position Right-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’39.347 (Sebastian Vettel, 2012)
Fastest lap 1’32.237 (Lewis Hamilton, 2018, qualifying three)
Maximum speed 325.3kph (202.132 mph)
DRS zone/s (race)
Distance from grid to turn one 230.8m
Full throttle 59%
Longest flat-out section 1090m
Downforce level Medium
Gear changes per lap 66
Fuel use per lap 1.88kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel 0.071s
Pit lane time loss 18.6s

UK Times
Friday 21st October 2022
United States Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 14:00-15:00 (UK time: 20:00-21:00)
United States Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 17:00-18:00 (UK time: 23:00-0:00)
Saturday 22nd October 2022
United States Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 14:00-15:00 (UK time: 20:00-21:00)
United States Grand Prix Qualifying: 17:00 (UK time: 23:00)
Sunday 23rd October 2022
United States Grand Prix: 14:00 (UK time: 20:00)


Previous Winners
2012 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes Austin
2013 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault
2014 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2015 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2016 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2017 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2018 Finland Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari
2019 Finland Valtteri Bottas Mercedes
2020 Not held
2021 Netherlands Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing-Honda

Videos

Vettel 2012
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCz4WfNFhRs



Standings
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