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I think RB see this year as their chance to get their hands on the title, at least for the driver. Mercedes have openly admitted that there has been very little development on the current car, putting most of their work into next years car. Next year the Mercedes team will be Hamilton & Russell, that's going to be a difficult to beat, especially if the car has an advantage. RB have said that they have spent a lot of time continuing to develop the current car, which puts them on the back foot next season. This could be their only chance for a couple of years.
 
Jelster said:
I think RB see this year as their chance to get their hands on the title, at least for the driver. Mercedes have openly admitted that there has been very little development on the current car, putting most of their work into next years car. Next year the Mercedes team will be Hamilton & Russell, that's going to be a difficult to beat, especially if the car has an advantage. RB have said that they have spent a lot of time continuing to develop the current car, which puts them on the back foot next season. This could be their only chance for a couple of years.
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Perhaps with Hamilton and Russell competing it will split the points. It will not matter for the constructors championship but could leave a gap for another driver to come through; Max if he has the car or maybe Norris;)

Dave
 
I think next year Russell will know he's going there as #2, but the following year may be Hamilton's last, so Russell will be out there doing it for himself.
 
Those are my thoughts too. However, if LH gets the driver's cup this season, he might help GR next year.

Were I the FIA, I'd be keeping a close eye on Alpha Tauri's behaviour WRT interfering with Mercedes as well as keeping MV under the microscope.
 
Maybe Bottas will be offered a golden handshake for his final Mercedes service being to torpedo MV :D
 
Put a wall at the edge of the track and then lets see if Max will come off the brakes early in order to claim he braked later. When he is faced with a wall he might think better of it. It seems that block passes are now not permitted in racing, as the block drive now doesnt back out and claims he is pushed off the track. while im all for a safer track this sort of issue was never a thing when the was a gravel area at the edge of the track. Im a massive fan of some of Max's driving but of late he has driving is letting down his talent. Of all the drivers that have the potential to win the title this year I would of supported Max had there not been a british driver in the mix.
 
The Mercs are well capable of beating everything else on the track but that was getting too boring. A bit of sandbagging methinks to liven the sport up before everyone went off to watch womens football instead (proper footballers who don't keep falling down every time someone approaches them in the penalty area). (I almost said in the box but thought beter of it!)
 
No, the women's rugby was great. They were real tough especially England beating New Zealand.

Dave
 
I still thought that Hamilton could/should have avoided the crash, there was space on the left he should have gone for.

Getting back into F1 but do hope Max wins in the final race.
 
cambsno said:
I still thought that Hamilton could/should have avoided the crash, there was space on the left he should have gone for.

Getting back into F1 but do hope Max wins in the final race.
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Lewis may very well been able to go past Max, The point is that he didnt want to overtake Max until after the DRS LIne otherwise Max would have gone straight back past him down the straight. Theres little you can do when the car in front stamps on the brakes in front of you. I dont believe Max intended an accident but clearly thought that if he braked Hamilton would go past on momentum and he could claim that he had let him have the place back.
Get rid of DRS, bring in regs that create cars that can run close together and either dont use tracks that have no overtaking opportunities or get them to adapt the track so there is. And while they are doing that scrap any rights teams have to veto/control the regs. No other motorsport or sport for that matter allows competitors to dictate rules.
 
AgentOrange76 said:
I dont believe Max intended an accident
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I do. It's a shame he seems to have no patience - he's good enough to be a multiple WDC on talent; causing crashes is tainting what could be a decent career (IMO).
 
The whole idea of DRS is to create more overtaking opportunities, but it's always on the straights, put a zone through some bends and let's see some skill.
 
Jelster said:
The whole idea of DRS is to create more overtaking opportunities, but it's always on the straights, put a zone through some bends and let's see some skill.
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Only because the cars cant run close together in the first place or so many tracks are not suited to racing overtaking. Monaco may as well award points for Qualifying and move to another weekend, the race is a wait for a failure. All other top motorsports have aero or lack of that allows nose to tail racing.
Max's qualifying run was balls out over the ragged edge. Alonso couldnt take his eyes off the footage while being interviewed. Had he not got too throttle happy on the exit of the last turn after a slight lock up he would of had pole and it would of gone down as the best lap in history. While im on the subject ban DRS in qualifying.
 
I’d go further AgentOrange, let’s get rid of tyre stops and make them to last a race, it was good enough for many many years so why not now? Just another way for a team to screw up a drivers race.
 
mj4456 said:
I’d go further AgentOrange, let’s get rid of tyre stops and make them to last a race, it was good enough for many many years so why not now? Just another way for a team to screw up a drivers race.
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Let's make them run and jump in the car. That was thoroughly entertaining :cool:
 
I agree with Monaco, it's only there to generate income, it's rarely an interesting race.

I like the tyre stops, it gives teams a chance to change tactics, in fact, I'd like to see 2 stops mandatory, that would get the juices flowing.
 
mj4456 said:
I’d go further AgentOrange, let’s get rid of tyre stops and make them to last a race, it was good enough for many many years so why not now? Just another way for a team to screw up a drivers race.
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Not sure on that one. Im not sure if I would want tyres that lasted the entire race with grip to spare regardless of use or whether I would want them to just last the race distance if not pushed hard. Other formats with no pitstops are often dictated to how long the tyres last at the circuit or how the machinery works with the tyre.
Wouldnt want another Indianapolis or back to 2 tyre companies with different tyre traits either. I would remove blue flags and make the faster car work there way round traffic but that would need the aero change first
 
AgentOrange76 said:
And while they are doing that scrap any rights teams have to veto/control the regs. No other motorsport or sport for that matter allows competitors to dictate rules.
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I can recall regulations that emerged in Colnbrook that got scuppered once they went out to competitors for consultation (I take it you are familiar with the process that non-safety technical and sporting regulations go through before being adopted in the UK).

Colnbrook being the home of the MSA (now MSUK) between the split from Pall Mall until the recent move to Bicester.
 
AgentOrange76 said:
. I would remove blue flags and make the faster car work there way round traffic but that would need the aero change first
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Might not be able to get rid completyely but only introduce them after maybe two laps? or if the following car was being blocked, no blue flags might lead to unfair tactics in teams, Aero changes would make a huge difference I agree also delete DRS but on some circuits little will change overtaking possibilities, or lack of thereof.
Bigger kitty litter traps might encourage drivers to stay on track too, drive off/drive back on tarmac runoffs just encourage track limit incursions.
 
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hard to know about next year , russell will be out to make his Mark ,Hamilton wont like being upstaged, if Max dosent get it this Year , i think he romp away next year, if Newey gives him a decent car , while the mercedes driver slug it out

Regarding the max lewis collison , no way Max would have risked it, to much risk of getting a Puncture and getting a dnf .
 
mav said:
hard to know about next year , russell will be out to make his Mark ,Hamilton wont like being upstaged, if Max dosent get it this Year , i think he romp away next year, if Newey gives him a decent car , while the mercedes driver slug it out

Regarding the max lewis collison , no way Max would have risked it, to much risk of getting a Puncture and getting a dnf .
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I reckon he was taking the gamble that while he might have got a puncture, LH was more likely to get the DNF.

I've just read that they're going to be read the riot act and threatened with DQ and/or points deductions should it be deemed necessary.
 
AgentOrange76 said:
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Get rid of DRS, bring in regs that create cars that can run close together and either dont use tracks that have no overtaking opportunities or get them to adapt the track so there is. And while they are doing that scrap any rights teams have to veto/control the regs. No other motorsport or sport for that matter allows competitors to dictate rules.
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Nearly all forms of motorsport have input from teams on how and where the regulations are going to go. No point in insisting on doing something if you don't bring those that are actually going to implement it along with you.
 
Jelster said:
He didn't brake to cause the crash, he braked so that he wouldn't be first into the DRS zone.
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If Lewis had possibly used an alternative part of the empty track instead of running in behind Max? Wasn’t gonna get the jump on him when they passed the green flags (that were never going to appear) he supposedly was waiting for according to some, no advantage running under Max’s rear wing.
 
Max does not even recognise that he is a dirty driver.
How would Trump behave if he was an F1 driver.
They both believe that everyone is getting at them.
 
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If Lewis had possibly used an alternative part of the empty track instead of running in behind Max? Wasn’t gonna get the jump on him when they passed the green flags (that were never going to appear) he supposedly was waiting for according to some, no advantage running under Max’s rear wing.
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Max sat in the centre of the track, at track school I was taught that to let someone pass you move off the racing line to one side as you take your foot off the gas (there should be no need to brake). But neither of them wanted to be first into the DRS zone, so Lewis waited behind until he got the advantage. When it wasn't working for Max, he braked without thinking of the consequences. I very much doubt he wanted to cause a collision, but his lack of experience showed, and it could of been far worse for both drivers.
 
Pretty sure Max was VERY aware of the consequences of hitting the brake pedal. Such a NEED to win is dangerous - a little patience will see his trophy cabinet fill up.
 
DRS could well be dropped next year as the main down force is going to be under the car with the channels to create a form of ground effect Although the rules arnt concretated yet but the concepts show the front wing is across the car with no y250 gap shoving air mostly under rather than over the body work so its hard to see how effective a flap on the rear wing would be
Also it is being said the lower rear wing sends air up over a following car allowing closer racing
We will see next year
 
Turned over at a break in the snooker, well that was an exciting finish. Now starts the blame game.
 
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How can you be leading by 12 secs and start side by side after the safety car so close to the end? It beggars belief. Still Lewis took it very well.
 
I can see that Mercedes might have a genuine reason for an appeal but I hope they let the result stand (even though I was hoping for an LH win!)

Congratulations to MV. Not forgetting congrats to Mercedes on the WCC!
 
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