The Football Thread - Season 2012/2013

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cambsno said:
Well, most brands we wear like Nike exploit kids yet we all turn a blind eye. As far as I know, most (as there are always exceptions) women are not forced into porn, they choose to do it.
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I didn't say I was against porn, but that it pays to be informed. I'm not sure there are many woman who would choose some of the practices that seem popular.


Oh, and Andy Carroll scored a goal!
 
The23rdman said:
I didn't say I was against porn, but that it pays to be informed. I'm not sure there are many woman who would choose some of the practices that seem popular.


Oh, and Andy Carroll scored a goal!
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I was aiming it more at Sullivan, who as far as I am aware runs legitimate businesses in the Uk and does not force... but this is a footie thread and dont want to go off topic.

Not seen the highlights but reading between the lines, Pullis basically is awaiting a call from the FA about Owen - very out of character for him (owen).
 
TriggerHappy said:
And was that a punch from Owen? That's 3 red cards by my count!
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I guess at the goal Shawcross and someone touched heads - hard to say as they glossed over it but would have been harsh as it was two players putting heads together. I am not sure on Owen, but Arteta shoved him back and Wilshire seemed to push as well, so if Owen gets done I would say our players should too. Didnt see a 3rd.

Could not believe Pullis and the goal, no way was that offside at all!!! And Shawcross was standing over lino as well as our players.
 
cambsno said:
I guess at the goal Shawcross and someone touched heads - hard to say as they glossed over it but would have been harsh as it was two players putting heads together. I am not sure on Owen, but Arteta shoved him back and Wilshire seemed to push as well, so if Owen gets done I would say our players should too. Didnt see a 3rd.

Could not believe Pullis and the goal, no way was that offside at all!!! And Shawcross was standing over lino as well as our players.
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There's a difference in the rules between a push and a punch though. A punch is a straight red, doesn't even need to connect it's just the swing of a clenched fist.

It was the Shawcross tackle on Koscielny that he got a yellow for which should have seen a straight red. High, studs showing and reckless. There's no discussion.

Not surprised when MOTD misses these things anymore.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Terrible reffing for this arsenal game. Clear red for a two handed push to the face missed by the ref.

But credit to the ref there for ignoring the linesman and the hopeless claims by Stoke!
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TriggerHappy said:
And that was a stone wall red for Shawcross. To think I defended him for that Ramsey tackle a few years ago. I have no problem admitting I wad wrong, I misjudged his character, and have since learnt better!
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TriggerHappy said:
And was that a punch from Owen? That's 3 red cards by my count!
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Stayed up to watch these on motd but they weren't even worthy of being shown. Makes me think you've been exaggerating somewhat :shrug:
 
joescrivens said:
Stayed up to watch these on motd but they weren't even worthy of being shown. Makes me think you've been exaggerating somewhat :shrug:
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Makes me think MOTD isn't what it used to be :P
 
TriggerHappy said:
Makes me think MOTD isn't what it used to be :P
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I was listening to the match on the radio and you have painted a war scene compared to what the commentator said.

Take your red speccies off when watching the match next time.
 
tiler65 said:
I was listening to the match on the radio and you have painted a war scene compared to what the commentator said.

Take your red speccies off when watching the match next time.
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Not quite sure what your problem with me has been recently :shrug:

What radio station was it and who were the commentators?

Both John Cross and Ian Ridley saw things the same way as myself. Both are respected sports journalists, neither are Arsenal fans, and both saw things the same way that I did.
 
Looking forward to City v Liverpool today. Hoping Liverpool can do United a favour but I suspect City will win.

Joe - I bet this is a difficult day for you ?
 
TriggerHappy said:
Not quite sure what your problem with me has been recently :shrug:

What radio station was it and who were the commentators?

Both John Cross and Ian Ridley saw things the same way as myself. Both are respected sports journalists, neither are Arsenal fans, and both saw things the same way that I did.
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Tom is a wind up merchant, Jamie. Don't let him get to you.
 
dinners said:
Looking forward to City v Liverpool today. Hoping Liverpool can do United a favour but I suspect City will win.

Joe - I bet this is a difficult day for you ?
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I've had a ridiculous bet on a ridiculous result based on a vivid dream last night. I'll let you know how it turns out at 6pm ish. ;)
 
The23rdman said:
I've had a ridiculous bet on a ridiculous result based on a vivid dream last night. I'll let you know how it turns out at 6pm ish. ;)
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Looking forward to knowing how this turns out! How much have you put down?
 
The23rdman said:
Tom is a wind up merchant, Jamie. Don't let him get to you.
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Poppycock.

I was merely expressing my opinion based on the radio commentators remarks. One of them was an ex Arsenal player (not Stu Robson before you start getting all giddy)

Why can't fans be appreciative of the spectacle instead of thinking the world is against them!

I also suspect Jamie's view has been somewhat tainted about stoke by typical hard nosed journals that have never been on a sports field.

I quite like John Cross but he hates Stoke.
 
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tiler65 said:
Poppycock.

I was merely expressing my opinion based on the radio commentators remarks. One of them was an ex Arsenal player (not Stu Robson before you start getting all giddy)

Why can't fans be appreciative of the spectacle instead of thinking the world is against them!

I also suspect Jamie's view has been somewhat tainted about stoke by typical hard nosed journals that have never been on a sports field.

I quite like John Cross but he hates Stoke.
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I did appreciate the spectacle. I loved the match. What's not to love about beating Stoke?!

I don't appreciate the dangerous tackles and perpetual leniency shown towards Shawcross' clumsiness/recklessness. I also don't appreciate Arsenal getting slated for not being able grind out a victory, but then subsequently getting criticised for not winning in the prettiest way whilst week after week teams like Manchester United get praised for winning whilst not playing at their best. Basically, I'd just like a little more parity between the way sides are treated both by the officials and by MOTD, particularly when one of the individuals at fault is a friend and colleague a la Owen.
 
TriggerHappy said:
I did appreciate the spectacle. I loved the match. What's not to love about beating Stoke?!

I don't appreciate the dangerous tackles and perpetual leniency shown towards Shawcross' clumsiness/recklessness. I also don't appreciate Arsenal getting slated for not being able grind out a victory, but then subsequently getting criticised for not winning in the prettiest way whilst week after week teams like Manchester United get praised for winning whilst not playing at their best. Basically, I'd just like a little more parity between the way sides are treated both by the officials and by MOTD, particularly when one of the individuals at fault is a friend and colleague a la Owen.
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So do you honestly think Owens reaction was worse than the poor challenge that resulted in his anger?

As for the ManU thing, if utd are playing poorly - what does that say about the rest of the division!
 
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tiler65 said:
So do you honestly think Owens reaction was worse than the poor challenge that resulted in his anger?

As for the ManU thing, if utd are playing poorly - what does that say about the rest of the division!
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Yes it's completely different from a challenge, and far worse. The challenge wasn't a particularly good one. I wouldn't contest a yellow card if it was shown. But you a swing a clenched fist - no matter how feebly or whether it connects - and that's a straight red with a 3 match ban for violent conduct. It doesn't matter that it's Owen, who's usually a nice guy, violence is violence and the sanction is very clearly laid it out by the FA's rules.

I'm not saying it's a criticism of Man U that I agree with, but it's praise that's been given to them every Saturday/Sunday on MOTD for more seasons than I can recall.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Yes it's completely different from a challenge, and far worse. The challenge wasn't a particularly good one. I wouldn't contest a yellow card if it was shown. But you a swing a clenched fist - no matter how feebly or whether it connects - and that's a straight red with a 3 match ban for violent conduct. It doesn't matter that it's Owen, who's usually a nice guy, violence is violence and the sanction is very clearly laid it out by the FA's rules.

I'm not saying it's a criticism of Man U that I agree with, but it's praise that's been given to them every Saturday/Sunday on MOTD for more seasons than I can recall.
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And what about podolski pushing Owen in the chest - raised hands - straight red?
 
tiler65 said:
I also suspect Jamie's view has been somewhat tainted about stoke by typical hard nosed journals that have never been on a sports field.

I quite like John Cross but he hates Stoke.
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Well I fully agree with Jamie, if anything he was very unbiased.

And just for the record.... Yes I do Hate! Stoke, detest there Manager, have no respect for some of there fans.
 
tiler65 said:
And what about podolski pushing Owen in the chest - raised hands - straight red?
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It was Wilshere, but potentially that's a risk he took. Only lots of players have pushed others and that's viewed with more leniency than a swing of a fist for whatever reason.

Essentially I don't care what the rules are as long as they're applied to every person and every incident correctly. If everyone else who pushes another player gets a red then by all means send Wilshere off too. As it happens that's not something I can recall seeing a red for so I probably wouldn't support it on this occasion. If they want to introduce it for the 13/14 season then go ahead, I'd not have an issue with that.

A punch is viewed and dealt with quite differently though. We'll have to see what the FA make of it. Who knows what they'll think, they're hardly consistent either!
 
As an aside, I think that if we fail to beat City today we can probably write off our title ambitions. ;)
 
I see PSG have made another move to get around the Financial Fairplay Rules. A shirt sponsorship deal of €25M per year. Are PSG that big a team? :shrug: I don't think so. :nono:

Add that to the €150M per year team sponsorship deal, for four years, and it looks like unless something is done about it, PSG will be the big spenders for the next few years.



Did they not show Shawcross' heinous crimes on MotD? :shrug:

If they did, I can't see what the fuss was about. Fouls maybe, but I didn't see any red card offences.

I have to agree about Owen, he tried to punch someone. That his friends in the media have tried to trivialise it should have no effect. :shake:

United always get praise for winning no matter how they play. Fine, they ground out the result, well done, it's why they are so successful, but say when they play bad or were lucky. Building them up just sustains the aura.

I also think you'll find that when Liverpool win the opposition played badly 90% of the time. :shrug: Que, sera sera. :shrug:

I don't see the problem with Stoke. They are a well run team, who have slowly evolved their style of play, and gradually improved their squad. They are a model other teams should follow.
 
TriggerHappy said:
It was Wilshere, but potentially that's a risk he took. Only lots of players have pushed others and that's viewed with more leniency than a swing of a fist for whatever reason.

Essentially I don't care what the rules are as long as they're applied to every person and every incident correctly. If everyone else who pushes another player gets a red then by all means send Wilshere off too. As it happens that's not something I can recall seeing a red for so I probably wouldn't support it on this occasion. If they want to introduce it for the 13/14 season then go ahead, I'd not have an issue with that.

A punch is viewed and dealt with quite differently though. We'll have to see what the FA make of it. Who knows what they'll think, they're hardly consistent either!
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I thought artetas push was dodgy. I don't think any extra punishment is needed.

Thought the WBA sending off was a joke.
 
The23rdman said:
I've had a ridiculous bet on a ridiculous result based on a vivid dream last night. I'll let you know how it turns out at 6pm ish. ;)
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Come on tell us - it won't affect your odds :)

Suarez to score a perfect hat-trick? Left foot, right hand and teeth? :D
 
redhed17 said:
I see PSG have made another move to get around the Financial Fairplay Rules. A shirt sponsorship deal of €25M per year. Are PSG that big a team? :shrug: I don't think so. :nono:

Add that to the €150M per year team sponsorship deal, for four years, and it looks like unless something is done about it, PSG will be the big spenders for the next few years.

Did they not show Shawcross' heinous crimes on MotD? :shrug:

If they did, I can't see what the fuss was about. Fouls maybe, but I didn't see any red card offences.

I don't see the problem with Stoke. They are a well run team, who have slowly evolved their style of play, and gradually improved their squad. They are a model other teams should follow.
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The investment in PSG is outrageous. I doubt FFP will ever achieve what it hoped.

No, MOTD missed all of Shawcross' tackles. In particular one over the top challenge that saw Koscielny get studs where no man wants to be kicked *wince*

With the vast investment in Stoke's team I actually think they're substantially underachieving. I think the net spend under Pulis is something like £80m which puts them around the top 5 largest spenders. In interviews he likes to perpetuate the idea that they're doing well with limited resources but really, if you compare them to the likes of Everton and Newcastle, they're well below the level they should be at.
 
redhed17 said:
United always get praise for winning no matter how they play. Fine, they ground out the result, well done, it's why they are so successful, but say when they play bad or were lucky. Building them up just sustains the aura.

I also think you'll find that when Liverpool win the opposition played badly 90% of the time. :shrug: Que, sera sera. :shrug:
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Actually, every week some pundit will say that they are playing poorly and are fortunate to get results - then they say 'but that is what utd do, grind out results'. (Like I said earlier...if utd are so poor - how come they are so far in front and have won more trophies than the other teams in the last 23 years? - are all the teams poor and that utd are just less poor?)

Don't believe your own hype!
 
Spuff said:
Come on tell us - it won't affect your odds :)

Suarez to score a perfect hat-trick? Left foot, right hand and teeth? :D
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I can't, it'll ruin the mojo. :P
 
dinners said:
Looking forward to City v Liverpool today. Hoping Liverpool can do United a favour but I suspect City will win.

Joe - I bet this is a difficult day for you ?
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no its easy peasy - its already man uniteds title, man city are not going to catch them now and we have some chance of getting above everton etc so im obviously hoping for a liverpool win! :thumbs:
 
joescrivens said:
no its easy peasy - its already man uniteds title, man city are not going to catch them now and we have some chance of getting above everton etc so im obviously hoping for a liverpool win! :thumbs:
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No way near over regardless of today's result. There's 40 points or so left to play for.
 
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