The Fitness thread

VirtualAdept said:
Sound advice.
Mrs is gonna give it a few days to be at her best then give it a go with me accompanying her.

With regards to week five, it's looking like it'll be a challenge, particularly run 3.
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Always good to have someone to run with for motivation.

As for run 3 of week 5. Don't panic, just keep you pace down. I'm sure you'll both be fine. In the highly unlikely even you aren't, just repeat run 2 of week 5 and then try run 3 again.

Nobody is scoring you on strict plan adherence and the only metric you should ever care about is personal improvement. Pace is relative and no matter what yours is there is always someone who is faster.
 
Ankle is still not right which means no Insanity for a week at least by the looks of it. Anybody know of any exercises I can do with a dodgy ankle? So far I have been doing press ups and planks with a foam roller under my shins to keep weight off my ankle and then some leg raises and other ab bits. I got into a good routine after two weeks of insanity and I want to keep up exercising daily or I feel like I will lose motivation...
 
jacob12_1993 said:
Ankle is still not right which means no Insanity for a week at least by the looks of it. Anybody know of any exercises I can do with a dodgy ankle? So far I have been doing press ups and planks with a foam roller under my shins to keep weight off my ankle and then some leg raises and other ab bits. I got into a good routine after two weeks of insanity and I want to keep up exercising daily or I feel like I will lose motivation...
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Go for a swim. Don't aggravate it by putting weight on it but keep it mobile.

Don't get despondent, I've been on the blocks for 3 weeks or more with running injuries and it doesn't take long to recover your pre injury fitness level.
 
Phil Young said:
Chris sir. It's not the best idea.
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Really Phil, why's that then?

The ankle will be fully supported by the buoyancy of the water and you could easily concentrate the effort on the upper body.

No issue at all and exactly the advice given to me on several occasions from fully qualified physio's when I have had lower limb injuries.
 
it depends on the injury - the issue with a damaged ankle is that even if you don't kick with it the water flow with push the foot back stressing some ligaments and compressing others.

pains me to say it but Phil is right this time

(Pete - who has a severely ****ed ankle)
 
ChrisJ_SLH said:
Really Phil, why's that then?

The ankle will be fully supported by the buoyancy of the water and you could easily concentrate the effort on the upper body.

No issue at all and exactly the advice given to me on several occasions from fully qualified physio's when I have had lower limb injuries.
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Pete is correct.

The ligaments are already lax, promoting more stretching isn't best.
 
big soft moose said:
it depends on the injury - the issue with a damaged ankle is that even if you don't kick with it the water flow with push the foot back stressing some ligaments and compressing others.

pains me to say it but Phil is right this time

(Pete - who has a severely ****ed ankle)
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Pete, so have I and the advice was to swim...

However, I don't think that this means that I'm right and that you and Phil are wrong. I does mean that similar sounding injuries can be caused by different things and need different sorts of treatment.

The only way to be sure you are getting the right treatment is going an getting assessed by a fully qualified professional. Remote diagnoses via a forum always has the risk of coming up short.
 
ChrisJ_SLH said:
The only way to be sure you are getting the right treatment is going an getting assessed by a fully qualified professional. Remote diagnoses via a forum always has the risk of coming up short.
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That would be me then ;)

Chris... think about it, what do you think I'd likely - wrong advice from the physio or that it was correct advice and swimming is good? Think about the injury.
 
Phil Young said:
That would be me then ;)

Chris... think about it, what do you think I'd likely - wrong advice from the physio or that it was correct advice and swimming is good? Think about the injury.
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Phil are you saying that you 100% accurately diagnose injuries remotely without a physical examination of the individual?

If so your fortunes are guaranteed...

In my circumstances the advice from the physio seemed spot on, a speedy recovery and little drop in overall fitness.
 
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Right then... week 5 run 1 complete... I've had to change my route slightly and I dont feel as awesome as after week 4's runs, but still pretty good :)
 
ChrisJ_SLH said:
Phil are you saying that you 100% accurately diagnose injuries remotely without a physical examination of the individual?

If so your fortunes are guaranteed...

In my circumstances the advice from the physio seemed spot on, a speedy recovery and little drop in overall fitness.
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Chis.

Take a step back mate - there's no need to get irate. We can discuss without getting backs up.

There's lots I can diagnose and a fair amount that I can't and needs to be referred to as physio for a more accurate diagnosis but once there is a diagnosis (in this case) then I can treat most injuries.

In the acute stage of a sprain the worst thing you can do is promote more stretching or damage from movement and resistance. All you're going to do is likely long term instability.
 
Phil Young said:
Chis.

Take a step back mate - there's no need to get irate. We can discuss without getting backs up.

There's lots I can diagnose and a fair amount that I can't and needs to be referred to as physio for a more accurate diagnosis but once there is a diagnosis (in this case) then I can treat most injuries.

In the acute stage of a sprain the worst thing you can do is promote more stretching or damage from movement and resistance. All you're going to do is likely long term instability.
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Phil, believe me I am far from irate. Not even slightly cross, mildly perturbed or even grumpy. I don't even do stressed any more, I find adrenaline disagreeable now. :)

We don't know and can't really tell what stage of a sprain Jacob's ankle is in sat behind our keyboards so any advice anyone can offer is largely worthless.
 
ChrisJ_SLH said:
Phil, believe me I am far from irate. Not even slightly cross, mildly perturbed or even grumpy. I don't even do stressed any more, I find adrenaline disagreeable now. :)

We don't know and can't really tell what stage of a sprain Jacob's ankle is in sat behind our keyboards so any advice anyone can offer is largely worthless.
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Perhaps it's worthless to you and perhaps you can't tell the stage it's at, but others might have a better idea. The fact that Jake said it was sore the next morning tells me it's going into grade two territory. I did ask Jake about it but didn't get a reply.

In either case, the ligament wouldn't have healed that quick and I certainly wouldn't bother risking swimming at this stage. There are plenty of alternative forms of other exercise that won't risk permanent damage.

*Edit* just seen there was a reply.

Based on that I would be thinking grade 2- but obviously can't be sure without assessing.
 
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Phil Young said:
Perhaps it's worthless to you and perhaps you can't tell the stage it's at, but others might have a better idea.
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Phil, I never professed to even try and guess the stage of the injury. I merely reflected that after giving some initial advice on a mode of exercise that wouldn't exacerbate the injury, that it may not be prudent to act upon remote diagnosis and instead get it properly assessed first hand.

I'll leave the debate over this particular point at that I think as we could agree to differ all night I think.
 
ChrisJ_SLH said:
Phil, I never professed to even try and guess the stage of the injury. I merely reflected that after giving some initial advice on a mode of exercise that wouldn't exacerbate the injury, that it may not be prudent to act upon remote diagnosis and instead get it properly assessed first hand.
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And what I was saying is that in my professional opinion, there's more chance of swimming progressing the injury, than helping it, at this stage.

The most important thing is that the injured party takes as much risk of further injury out as possible as there is a chance of long term damage. I'm not saying he definitely would cause LTD, I'm saying it's best to avoid unnecessary risks of it.

I don't know why the physio advised you to swim or the nature of your injury when it happened, but my advice is to not do anything in the acute phase that might progress it.
 
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Halfway now, second run of week 5 done, though I did get some issues with some people laughing hysterically at this fat man in a running top.
Little ironic considering a couple of them probably exceeded their ford transits carrying weight.
 
VirtualAdept said:
Halfway now, second run of week 5 done, though I did get some issues with some people laughing hysterically at this fat man in a running top.
Little ironic considering a couple of them probably exceeded their ford transits carrying weight.
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I've heard such people called MAMILS. Middle aged men in lycra ;)

Also, the postie turned up this morning during my workout. Since I'd just done a minute of Dreya Rolls with a 4 kilo med ball I was breathing fairly hard. Twice he said "don't worry, I think you're fitter than me". But then he seemed mildly out of breath walking 5 yards from the van with a small box of Amazon......
 
Some weird people about... did the 20 minute run of week 5 (oh yeah *does a dance*) and went past a couple of teenagers, in school uniform, walking along the rain, smoking weed... and they looked at me like I was the mental one.
 
Heading out for my first run tonight. Went to get fitted for some trainers a week ago and my size needed to be ordered, picked them up today.

Only gonna do a 2 mile run twice this week and then take it from there.

Nervous to see how my dodgy knee holds out but looking forward to it. Been two years since I've ran and that was in a gym, it's road running from now on.
 
dan_yorkshire said:
Heading out for my first run tonight. Went to get fitted for some trainers a week ago and my size needed to be ordered, picked them up today.

Only gonna do a 2 mile run twice this week and then take it from there.

Nervous to see how my dodgy knee holds out but looking forward to it. Been two years since I've ran and that was in a gym, it's road running from now on.
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What shoes did you get Dan?

Well done... expect to be a bit sore tomorrow though ;)
 
Phil Young said:
What shoes did you get Dan? Well done... expect to be a bit sore tomorrow though ;)
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Adidas Glide 5.

Turned out I needed a neutral shoe with as much cushion for my knee as possible.
 
Run done. 2.4miles in 25:05 minutes.

10:22 a mile, pretty happy with that. Only stopped once for 30seconds when I thought my thigh muscles were gonna explode through the skin.
 
dan_yorkshire said:
Run done. 2.4miles in 25:05 minutes.

10:22 a mile, pretty happy with that. Only stopped once for 30seconds when I thought my thigh muscles were gonna explode through the skin.
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You can't grumble with that pace after a couple of years on the blocks, nice going.

Can I ask if the knee issue you had was a running injury?
 
ChrisJ_SLH said:
You can't grumble with that pace after a couple of years on the blocks, nice going. Can I ask if the knee issue you had was a running injury?
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Nah football. Not an impact injury just wear and tear. Two keyhole ops for ligament repair work.
 
dan_yorkshire said:
Nah football. Not an impact injury just wear and tear. Two keyhole ops for ligament repair work.
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Ouch.

Hope it holds up for you and you can get your mileage back up.

Trivial in comparison but it is the darkness and dropping temperatures I'm struggling with at the minute. Spoilt by a decent summer I guess. Need to man-up and face the night.
 
ChrisJ_SLH said:
Ouch. Hope it holds up for you and you can get your mileage back up. Trivial in comparison but it is the darkness and dropping temperatures I'm struggling with at the minute. Spoilt by a decent summer I guess. Need to man-up and face the night.
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I've been relatively pain free for a couple of years just some random activities gives me grief.

I actually prefer running in the dark and cold.

Golf course, beer gardens and BBQ aren't as much of a distraction.
 
dan_yorkshire said:
I've been relatively pain free for a couple of years just some random activities gives me grief.

I actually prefer running in the dark and cold.

Golf course, beer gardens and BBQ aren't as much of a distraction.
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I don't mind the dark and cold myself. Loved last winter, snowy trail runs were great fun, even more entertaining in the dark with my headlight on. It's just the transition from the hot summer to cooler climes that is bothering me I guess. I'll get over it...
 
jacob12_1993 said:
Went to the doctors today after 10 days of being unable to walk, she reckons it's an upper grade 2 sprain which means at least two more weeks of recovery apparently. So gutted as it means Insanity may have to be restarted :-(
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So 13 days of Insanity = 34 days of not walking? Imagine if you'd tried month 2 :D

I heard a quote the other day about Insanity

Month 2 is to month 1 as month 1 is to sitting on the couch eating cheetos
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Have a good recovery - you're going to need it. Then get back to it and LAND PROPERLY.

In other news, this Insanity T shirt feels really good ;)
 
So... Couch to 5k week 6 complete... 25 minute run, though since I hate the music on the podcast I used the nike+ running app with my own playlist... The cheer function is interesting :lol:
 
Sweet!

So that's a 5K in 25 mins with no previous running experience? I don't do running but that sounds like an achievement.
 
I'm looking at starting Insanity but need to get motivated first and in the right mind set! At the moment I wake up tired and get home from work tired.... Just need to slap myself around the face and get on with it!!!
 
You won't be tired after starting Insanity ;)

Seriously, you'll have more energy once you get the blood flowing. But be warned, it's pretty hard. If you're not in reasonable shape you may want to start with something less aggressive.
 
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