The Fitness thread

As for MCC then Insane Abs...... faaaahoook that!!! The most I can do after MCC is crawl outside for air and when I'm stopped dripping everywhere crawl up the stair to the shower :lol:

So I probably shouldn't ask how you found Max Interval Sports Training then....?

It's actually quite a fun workout and not too hard*

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* may actually be quite hard - it's tough to gauge these things when a minute of squat jacks counts as "recovery".
 
So I probably shouldn't ask how you found Max Interval Sports Training then....?

It's actually quite a fun workout and not too hard*

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* may actually be quite hard - it's tough to gauge these things when a minute of squat jacks counts as "recovery".

I'm pretending I didn't got the delux package.... saving sports training for a rainy day :lol:
 
I've started out this week on the Get Running with Couch to 5K program which is an NHS podcast, which is allegedly really easy for beginners to follow. It basically takes around 9 weeks to get running 5k.

I've been doing that, though I've been using an iPhone app which allows me to play music and it will then lower the volume when it tells you what to do. It also has a visual display/countdown timer to look at which helps when you're on the treadmill.

TBH though, it's taken me more than nine weeks and so far I can only run 2.5-3km. Guess it depends on your starting fitness and general health.
 
Here is a question for those a little more clued up about this:

I used to race track and road cycling for about 3-4 years from the age of 14. I was training 4-5 times a week (over 200 miles a week) and racing 1-2 a week as well. Stopped that about 2 years ago but now I'm looking to get back in shape.

The benefit of being young is that I don't put on weight as quickly but I still have a bit of a beer belly on the go. The one thing I hate with a passion is gyms so I am looking to avoid them. I will probably start cycling again twice a week for weight loss but I am looking for some exercise/programs that people recommend for doing at home. I have a weak back and core and tight hamstrings at the moment so I need to work on them first I think. I'm not looking to build bulk or anything, just tighten up the loose ends, any recommendations? :-)
 
Insanity, Jacob.

No equipment needed and I do all the workouts in a space 2m square (others get away with less but it's tight).

Get a copy from Argos (really), get yourself a headband and get with the program ;)

BTW for loosening hamstrings the best thing is Yoga. Yeah, it's tougher than you think....
 
Here is a question for those a little more clued up about this:

I used to race track and road cycling for about 3-4 years from the age of 14. I was training 4-5 times a week (over 200 miles a week) and racing 1-2 a week as well. Stopped that about 2 years ago but now I'm looking to get back in shape.

The benefit of being young is that I don't put on weight as quickly but I still have a bit of a beer belly on the go. The one thing I hate with a passion is gyms so I am looking to avoid them. I will probably start cycling again twice a week for weight loss but I am looking for some exercise/programs that people recommend for doing at home. I have a weak back and core and tight hamstrings at the moment so I need to work on them first I think. I'm not looking to build bulk or anything, just tighten up the loose ends, any recommendations? :-)

Jacob...

Your goal is almost exclusively nutrition related and whilst exercise plays it's part in many things, it's effect on body fat reduction is very small...contrary to popular belief.

You can make massive changes and commitments in exercise and only see small results but only if your diet allows it.

You can also make small changes in nutrition and see great results with, or without exercise.

Happy to give any advice following a nutrition diary.
 
£99 is a lot for a set of workout DVDs - thats nearly three months gym membership.

or alternately you could save the money and just work through a set of cardio and bodyweight exercises without needing the dvds
 
£99 is a lot for a set of workout DVDs - thats nearly three months gym membership.

or alternately you could save the money and just work through a set of cardio and bodyweight exercises without needing the dvds

You could. But most people doing that seem to fail.

Also, there is a huge amount of good information on the internet. But there is also far more that is conflicting and just plain wrong.

£99 really does buy a lot of science and motivation.
 
Happy to give any advice following a nutrition diary.

Interested to hear what you think, exercise has always worked for me in the past so I am interested in seeing how nutrition can achieve similar goals. The only two things to bear in mind are that I eat very little meat (1-2 a week) but I cook everything I eat fresh so food prep is not an issue :D
 
stop eating so many carrots then, bugs :lol:

my take on this is that the two go together - nutrition and in particular not eating lots of crap can help you loose weight. But being thin and being healthy aren't the same thing , if you want to be healthy and thin then you also need a decent amount of exercise
 
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stop eating so many carrots then, bugs :lol:

my take on this is that the two go together - nutrition and in particular not eating lots of crap can help you loose weight. But being thin and being healthy aren't the same thing , if you want to be healthy and thin then you also need a decent amount of exercise

1,000,000% couldn't agree more.

Don't misunderstand what I say as me being anti-exercise. There are a whole list of reasons why everyone should exercise... but weight loss isn't one of them.

Resistance training vs osteoarthritis and osteoporosis for example, now that's important stuff not to be ignored.

The point I always try to make is that we SHOULD exercise with health, strength, flexibility, speed, power and agility in mind... not thinking that it's helping weight loss. Much better mindset to have and we would have more people doing a variety of activities rather than sticking to their silly crunches and abductor machines.

The annoying thing is that people aren't concerned about their health, they care about their weight - it's this reason I've seen so many people just give up on training once they find out the truth. That is what is really frustrating with this world of "fitness", people train to look good and not to feel good.

And whilst I totally get the argument (which I know hasn't been put forward) of not telling people to truth to keep them training...it's not anyone else's job to show motivate someone to live a better life - most gym goers have totally the wrong mindset and I really like to hear that occasional person that says he trains to be strong, fit, flexible and just feel better - I congratulate those.
 
OK, here's a short simple minded calculation on weight loss. (And why nutrition is important)

If you have a calorie deficit of 500 cal a day (i.e. you use up 500 more calories than you consume) you will lose 1lb of weight a week. That's pretty much it. (There's some clever maths to convert calories to pounds - please don't make me Google them).

In an hour of hard exercise I can burn 500 - 600 calories. That's hard as in "if somebody came in the room I probably wouldn't be able to talk to them". A Starbucks* tall latte with whole milk is 172 calories and a chocolate muffin is 484.

So to lose 1lb of weight per week, you can either work out hard for an hour a day, every day. Or switch from having a cup of latte and a muffin per day to Americano.

Of course, fitness is a whole other thing from weight loss......
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* I'm not suggesting you'd be daft enough to go to Starbucks - but they publish all their nutrition online so it's an easy reference.

** Srsly, even their "healthy" granola bars are a shocking 468 calories. So granola + latte = 640 vs cup of filter and fruit salad = c 100.
 
OK, here's a short simple minded calculation on weight loss. (And why nutrition is important)

If you have a calorie deficit of 500 cal a day (i.e. you use up 500 more calories than you consume) you will lose 1lb of weight a week. That's pretty much it. (There's some clever maths to convert calories to pounds - please don't make me Google them).

In an hour of hard exercise I can burn 500 - 600 calories. That's hard as in "if somebody came in the room I probably wouldn't be able to talk to them". A Starbucks* tall latte with whole milk is 172 calories and a chocolate muffin is 484.

So to lose 1lb of weight per week, you can either work out hard for an hour a day, every day. Or switch from having a cup of latte and a muffin per day to Americano.

Of course, fitness is a whole other thing from weight loss......
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* I'm not suggesting you'd be daft enough to go to Starbucks - but they publish all their nutrition online so it's an easy reference.

** Srsly, even their "healthy" granola bars are a shocking 468 calories. So granola + latte = 640 vs cup of filter and fruit salad = c 100.

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that Jon.

You can apply the calories to weight *gain* but not loss (or you can but it isn't accurate to fat).

One needs to know how much of their weight loss is fat as that is the only weight that matters to lose.

Of your 600cals it would work out that around 10-20g of that is actually fat, the rest, if you're smart would be sugar or amino acids which you will build back later. Remember that you would use fat without exercise anyway and higher percentage at that.

That means if you did that 6 times a week, you've actually lost something like 50-100g of fat, not the 1lb that you proposed.

In an ideal world it would be great to think calories in calories out but it's not the case.

You can google fat used vs intensity and see that it starts at around 60% used at around 60% max heart rate but rapidly drops as intensity rises. If you're using 600kcals per hour, that's around 85% maximum heart rate and at this level, only 15% of your calories used comes from fat, that's 90kcals or 10g.

Obviously the figures are a bit loose as I'm not doing a case study but they will be near enough to give a rough idea.
 
You probably know enough to realise that's a controversial opinion.....

That's like telling the person that says lemons are yellow "that's your opinion".

Yes 3500 calories equals roughly 1lb but that doesn't mean that 1lb is (all) fat...

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To use a analogy, it's similar to when you start Photography. Before you start, you believe it's megapixels. Then you buy a camera and start snapping away and realise the basic fundamentals is pointing the lens and clicking the shutter.

As you progress you realise that although that will equal an image, that doesn't necessarily make it a good image. To make a good image you need to know about exposure, dof, aperture vs focal length, how to manipulate light, angles, leading lines etc and then you realise "oh... so it is more than just point and shoot".

The same can be said for the current topic of conversation, yes, calories in vs calories out will make the scales shift. But that doesn't mean you'll get the result you want.

No one can debate that calories equals weight.

Same as no one can debate if you press the shutter, you will end up with an image.

Similarly, no one can debate you will need to know more than that if you want better results.

And into the current discussion, the biochemistry that is involved in weight loss is much deeper than is currently put to the average person wanting to lose weight... why isn't it common knowledge? ...perhaps the same reasons we still sell camera's on megapixels - it's just easier for people to "get".

I don't in any way mean to sound condescending, no way hosay - I just want to put it out there that it is in fact more than calories in vs calories out.
 
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The more I look into this, the more I notice something very odd.

When you consider the massive amount of money in the fitness industry, there's surprisingly little proper science going on. Every time you look at a study it's either extrapolating results from elite athletes (which is a bit like applying results from race horses to humans), using very small study groups (a favourite tactic of people wanting to prove something) or using inaccurate methods (for example, it's difficult and expensive to accurately measure a living person's body fat - so it's doubly hard/expensive to measure change - also measuring calories in and those expended on exercise is a lot harder than you might imagine).

Bottom line appears to be "it's complicated" :)
 
It's not that hard Jon, all of my clients start off with live feeds to me of what they eat... if I needed to I could calculate what they've had that day pretty accurately.

It's also pretty easy for people to see that are prepared to accept they may have been wrong in their previous beliefs.

I once believed that HIIT was great for fat loss...did I KNOW it? Honestly, no. I believed it.

I used to think weights was great for EPOC and that epoc was great for fat loss... did I KNOW it? Nope. Belief again.

It was only when I was prepared to accept I could be wrong and wanted to know the truth that the answer was not only clear to me, but taught to every professional qualified to my standard - the problem is, we are so brainwashed into thinking exercise is the way to lose fat, we just accept that as true without questioning it now.

I personally think the reason why people don't know or studies aren't published is that people would stop exercising and the fitness and exercise industry would ultimately fail because people don't go to gyms because they value their health and well-being, they go to look good.

The catch 22 then becomes, we need to educate, but also keep people blinded to make money.

Personally, I take the honesty approach - all of my clients are told exactly the same thing about exercise and weight loss...and they still work with me (probably because I refuse to work with people on nutrition alone haha).

The sad thing is, you could work it out for yourself - or anyone could if they questioned "how much does exercise effect weight loss" but we don't... we just accept that it does and that's it.
 
I've been doing that, though I've been using an iPhone app which allows me to play music and it will then lower the volume when it tells you what to do. It also has a visual display/countdown timer to look at which helps when you're on the treadmill.

TBH though, it's taken me more than nine weeks and so far I can only run 2.5-3km. Guess it depends on your starting fitness and general health.

I've just started this and would dearly love to know what app you're using... I'm currently using an mp3 player with no screen, the previous track button doesn't work and it confuses next track with volume up... as you can imagine, its doing my head in somewhat
 
5 pressups today. FIVE!!! I was dead chuffed.

I was also balancing on 3 medicine balls at the time...... :D

2 days left then, Russ? What are you going to do to celebrate? Apart from the T shirt, obvs.
 
I have one Swiss ball - actually there may be another lightweight one in the loft. I'll give it a go. They roll pretty fast.....

Most people I see doing pushups on swiss balls cheat by
1. Only using 1 medicine ball for their hands (MUCH easier)
2. Using their ankles not their feet

I expect you'll want video too.....
 
5 pressups today. FIVE!!! I was dead chuffed.

I was also balancing on 3 medicine balls at the time...... :D

2 days left then, Russ? What are you going to do to celebrate? Apart from the T shirt, obvs.

I have to say I've been slacking and fell off the wagon.....

The only time I get to do it is when I get home from work and I've had stuff on pretty much every night.

Hope to get back on it next week though :)
 
I've been doing that, though I've been using an iPhone app which allows me to play music and it will then lower the volume when it tells you what to do. It also has a visual display/countdown timer to look at which helps when you're on the treadmill.

TBH though, it's taken me more than nine weeks and so far I can only run 2.5-3km. Guess it depends on your starting fitness and general health.

I'm just about finished week 2 which is only jogging for 90 seconds at a time, but it feels easier each week. My levels of fitness are pretty awful to be fair so I'm guessing it's gonna take me at least the full 9 weeks to get through to 5k.

I'm trying to up my exercise on an exercise bike on my off days too

I only listen to the podcast, your iPhone app sounds interesting, what do you use?
 
I only listen to the podcast, your iPhone app sounds interesting, what do you use?

I have to ask... does the music get any better? Its like listening to cold play for the first ten minutes :S
 
I've just started this and would dearly love to know what app you're using...
It's called Get Running. Blue trainer on yellow background for icon.

I'm just about finished week 2 which is only jogging for 90 seconds at a time, but it feels easier each week. My levels of fitness are pretty awful to be fair so I'm guessing it's gonna take me at least the full 9 weeks to get through to 5k.
Being completely honest, it's been more than nine weeks and I've struggled to reach halfway. The problem is that I never had the stamina so I could do the first 2/3rds of it but ran out of energy so I never completed the rest. Even now, I think I'm technically on week 3. This involves running for 90 seconds, walking for 90 seconds, running for 3 mins and walking for 3 mins, then repeating. I struggle to do the whole three mins and am doing around 2.5 mins at the mo.

I've since realised part of my problem is energy/nutrition. I basically run around midday and means I have a late lunch. I've since started eating three fruit pastilles before I run and it's increased that second bit from 1.5 mins to 2.5 mins.
 
If you can, have something too eat 1.5-2 hours before you run.
Do you eat breakfast? This will have a major impact.
How fast are you running? If you are struggling, slow down, better to do the time than run faster and be too tired to finish.
This is all about getting your body used to exercise, if you have done very little it will take longer, use the app as a "guide" it doesn't know how you are feeling. One session you may feel more energetic, if so then you will go faster.
It will come, have faith.
If you Soreen malt loaf, that is good for energy.
 
I normally take a protein shake about an hour or so before work out. That's mainly because I'll run first (takes priority) and lift weights second. The shake has very few carbs. Hence the resorting to sweets. One of my aims with running was to reduce bodyfat levels through overall calorie deficit. I've already dropped my speed from 11-12km/h to 10km/h which has helped. Any further drop puts me in that awkward place that's neither a faster walk nor a run.
 
I normally take a protein shake about an hour or so before work out. That's mainly because I'll run first (takes priority) and lift weights second. The shake has very few carbs. Hence the resorting to sweets. One of my aims with running was to reduce bodyfat levels through overall calorie deficit. I've already dropped my speed from 11-12km/h to 10km/h which has helped. Any further drop puts me in that awkward place that's neither a faster walk nor a run.

Do you know what carbohydrates and protein are used by the body for??
 
I normally take a protein shake about an hour or so before work out. That's mainly because I'll run first (takes priority) and lift weights second. The shake has very few carbs. Hence the resorting to sweets.

Do you know what carbohydrates and protein are used by the body for??

I could just about feel Phil exploding from here at that....... :)

I think he might have some suggestions........ :D
 
I have to say I've been slacking and fell off the wagon.....

The only time I get to do it is when I get home from work and I've had stuff on pretty much every night.

Hope to get back on it next week though :)

Yeah keep at it. Then you can do Asylum. Apparently that's pretty hard.....
 
Do you know what carbohydrates and protein are used by the body for??

Should hope so! I also know what fat is used for too.

There's no real point in me consuming say 200kcal in carbs before a run and expending only 200kcals on the run.
 
Well I got to say having kind of struggled last time out running 90 seconds and walking 2 minutes this morning in the p****** down rain I managed to walk for 5 minutes and jogged the next 15!

I could have carried on as well, but I'd forgotten to set the Missus's alarm to get her up for work so had to get back!

I think some of my problem is trying to stick to the Slimming World diet, I'm just not eating enough at times and running out of energy. Last night I had a relative blow out for me and felt much better for it this morning.

Maybe not much for you fit guys but a real bonus for me :)
 
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