The Fabulous Fuji X owners thread

Alan Clogwyn said:
Well scientific test number 1 results are in - and it is very, very close between the T2 and T1, much closer than I'd ever imagined. I set both cameras up the same on the same tripod and used the same lens and took a shot of my under construction workshop. I set both to AWB, and then made a raw conversion in camera with Highlights and shadows -2 for both (as that's how I liked to use the T1 in the field).....................................
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Could you be sure that two example of the same camera would not produce equally diverse results.?
On my screen I would prefer the T2 as the starting point, the colour is more neutral.
The new Advances added to the T2 would make very little, if any, difference on such simple shots and lighting.
 
Now lets look at detail, still from raw. This gets a bit harder to interpret as Lightroom keeps the the same rather than the actual size ratio in it's comparison so the T2 image is slightly larger. For this I've cranked the clarity up to 100 to exaggerate any noise present, which we can see is worse in the shadows on the T2 and worse in the highlights on the T1.

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From the JPEGs again it's close

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and another - this was actually the focus point:

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And this one is from the t2 - JPG vs Raw for detail. Fuji still beats Adobe.

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So where does that leave us? Well I think it's plainly obvious that the T1 is more than capable of holding it's own against the T2. I'll need to compare under more lighting conditions to get an accurate reflection, but it's fair to say there is a subtle but noticeable difference in the rendition of the 2 cameras - I much prefer that of the T1 myself, mainly because I don't particularly like post processing.
 
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Are you down-sampling the Fuji XT-2's image resolution down to 16mp to match the XT-1?
Perhaps that would give a different result maybe? :D
 
im lost on these i assume the second one is the T2. But why are you uploading the worlds smallest pictures! im struggling to see on my 2560 screen!
im also going to suggest the focus on the right one is a little softer as well looking at it.
And please stop comparing JPGS! who shoots jpg!
 
Some people have far too much time on their hands!!

Modern cameras are great. They do far more than most people will ever need. Pick up your cameras and go shoot. So it's a little noisy in the shadows. So what? It's not critically sharp at 400%. Does it matter?

These Fuji cameras are a joy to use IMO and I'm enjoying my photography all the more for it.

My advice - don't obsess over the technical aspects and get snapping. If you're not happy with your images practice more.
 
Gents, I've not used PS/LR for about 10 years. I've forgotten most of what I'd learned, so I'd like some advice please. Back then I used to use colour profiles and have a ink flow system for my A3 printer ect. So I'd have to set up preferences for RGB or sRGB within PS ect. But now I'm planning on taking my photos to a lap, so do I need to mess with any settings within PS/LR? It's all a bit daunting. (n)
 
Alan Clogwyn said:
Well scientific test number 1 results are in - and it is very, very close between the T2 and T1, much closer than I'd ever imagined. I set both cameras up the same on the same tripod and used the same lens and took a shot of my under construction workshop. I set both to AWB, and then made a raw conversion in camera with Highlights and shadows -2 for both (as that's how I liked to use the T1 in the field).

First up, Raw files as opened, Provia profile for each. T1 has better colour and is 0.38stops brighter than the T2.
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Setting the White balance to the same value for each made the T1 go very magenta:

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Here are the as shot JPEGs - with no alterations made in camera the JPG is indistinguishable from the raw.

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Here are the JPGs -2 for highlights and -2 for shadows. Both look significantly better than at 0, but there's not a lot of highlight recovery gone on through the window.

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Lets go back to the RAW, and set -100 for highlights and +100 for shadows. About equal in both - don't forget the T2 decided it would meter a 1/3 stop under the T1 value.

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So far, the X-T1 images all look better to me
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without reading more carefully or zooming-which i cant be bothered with. the one on the right seems to have better overall colour and clarity, but i don't know what they look like in real life.
 
The hand grip i got free is retailing for £85 on amazon. i've just listed it for sale which has made my x-t1 deal even sweeter.
 
rjbell said:
The hand grip i got free is retailing for £85 on amazon. i've just listed it for sale which has made my x-t1 deal even sweeter.
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Which hand grip did you get? I got the normal one from Calumet for £49 and it does the job perfect on my XT1. It looks alright on my graphite silver XT1 as well.
 
badboy1984 said:
Which hand grip did you get? I got the normal one from Calumet for £49 and it does the job perfect on my XT1. It looks alright on my graphite silver XT1 as well.
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Yeah its the ordinary one i have small hands i'm fine with the built in grip so won't use it and i don't like the extra weight. I'd rather put the money towards something else.
 
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ryanyboy said:
Some people have far too much time on their hands!!

Modern cameras are great. They do far more than most people will ever need. Pick up your cameras and go shoot. So it's a little noisy in the shadows. So what? It's not critically sharp at 400%. Does it matter?

These Fuji cameras are a joy to use IMO and I'm enjoying my photography all the more for it.

My advice - don't obsess over the technical aspects and get snapping. If you're not happy with your images practice more.
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Well, I think that it is important to know that there are differences and what those differences are. For me, as an X-T1 owner, I think it is well worth knowing that the T1 can hold its own against the T2 - that means that there is no need to upgrade and I'm pleased about that. There is so much hype about photographic equipment that it is easy to get misled into thinking that your old camera isn't up to it anymore.
 
Is like mobile phone isn't it. Just because iPhone 7 is out, it doesn't mean 6s is no good.
 
Rosedalelad said:
Well, I think that it is important to know that there are differences and what those differences are. For me, as an X-T1 owner, I think it is well worth knowing that the T1 can hold its own against the T2 - that means that there is no need to upgrade and I'm pleased about that. There is so much hype about photographic equipment that it is easy to get misled into thinking that your old camera isn't up to it anymore.
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I had this issue going from the nikon d40 to the d5100. You had a bump up in megapixels and high iso performance however at base iso i preferred the images out of the d40.
 
Rosedalelad said:
Well, I think that it is important to know that there are differences and what those differences are. For me, as an X-T1 owner, I think it is well worth knowing that the T1 can hold its own against the T2 - that means that there is no need to upgrade and I'm pleased about that. There is so much hype about photographic equipment that it is easy to get misled into thinking that your old camera isn't up to it anymore.
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Glad to be of service! And I'm now committed - the T2 is up for sale!

https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/fuji-x-t2-body-only.641191/

I've spent all day comparing the two directly in as many aspects as I could, and I've decided for me the T1 suits me better. Going to replace the T2 with a Graphite Silver T1 for Infra Red use I think, although right now I think I'm off down the beach to catch a sunset.
 
Alan Clogwyn said:
Now lets look at detail, still from raw. This gets a bit harder to interpret as Lightroom keeps the the same rather than the actual size ratio in it's comparison so the T2 image is slightly larger. For this I've cranked the clarity up to 100 to exaggerate any noise present, which we can see is worse in the shadows on the T2 and worse in the highlights on the T1.

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From the JPEGs again it's close

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and another - this was actually the focus point:

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And this one is from the t2 - JPG vs Raw for detail. Fuji still beats Adobe.

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So where does that leave us? Well I think it's plainly obvious that the T1 is more than capable of holding it's own against the T2. I'll need to compare under more lighting conditions to get an accurate reflection, but it's fair to say there is a subtle but noticeable difference in the rendition of the 2 cameras - I much prefer that of the T1 myself, mainly because I don't particularly like post processing.
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I can't view the images at the mo as I'm only in the iphone and the images are tiny. However, it doesn't surprise me at all that there's very little to split the XT1 from the XT2 in terms of IQ. Apart from the extra res the improvements on the XT2 are more about AF, video and functions rather than IQ.

It's interesting though as I hear some people praising the sensor on the XT2 saying that it's more like the XPro1 being more film like and less plasticky, and now a number on here saying they actually prefer the XT1. Just shows how individual these things are.
 
Camera manufacturers are like golf club manufacturers - they have to keep bringing out new products to survive.
Does the new product improve your game - probably not!
There's nowt wrong with an X-T1!
 
I remember seeing this posted elsewhere in the past and thought ... yup ...

Beginners think it's all about cameras
Enthusiasts think it's all about lenses
Photographers know it's all about the light

It shouldn't matter what gear you have, it's just tools to aid your creativity.

I said it here many times, the real differences between the XT-1 & 2 are ergonomic, and technical improvements. Both produce fantastic quality images with the right person behind the VF. You have to know what you're doing to get the best out of them.

If I hand an XT-2 [D810, Sony A7II, Canon 5D mk IV ... etc] to my daughter without any instructions, and leave all settings manual, at night, indoors, she'll take a bunch of blurry, OOF, badly exposed images. Though not many as she'd probably give up after the first few fails.

If I hand her an old cheap bridge camera with everything set up in auto, outdoors in broad daylight, with some quick pointers to start [composing, focusing, framing] - she'll come back with some very usable images and will most likely have had fun shooting.
 
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Can understand why the T2 isn't seen as a big improvement, after all the firmware updates the T1 was and still is a very capable camera.

Much bigger difference between the Pro1 and 2, there again you would expect there to be with the gap in years between them.
 
Alan Clogwyn said:
Glad to be of service! And I'm now committed - the T2 is up for sale!

https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/fuji-x-t2-body-only.641191/

I've spent all day comparing the two directly in as many aspects as I could, and I've decided for me the T1 suits me better. Going to replace the T2 with a Graphite Silver T1 for Infra Red use I think, although right now I think I'm off down the beach to catch a sunset.
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But did you need to do all that to convince yourself you like the x-T1 and it does all you want it to? I would have thought a few days with it would have been enough to convince you that it's a camera you like. It sounds like you fell into the trap of "new is better" and spent hours scientifically proving to yourself that it's not.
 
ryanyboy said:
But did you need to do all that to convince yourself you like the x-T1 and it does all you want it to? I would have thought a few days with it would have been enough to convince you that it's a camera you like. It sounds like you fell into the trap of "new is better" and spent hours scientifically proving to yourself that it's not.
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I don't see it as scientific... as it has not tested any of the areas of improvement between the cameras.
It is more a Justification to "Prove" his Preference,
all rather an expensive mistake in my eyes.
 
manualfocus-g said:
What I DO need though is a rucksack with camera and lens compartment shallow enough that the kit doesn't rattle out of its place and knock into each other. I'm finding that DSLR bags are too big in this respect.

Anyone found a solution?
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Depends what you carry about most? I have 3 camera bags, 4 if I count the roller bag that only ever got used for a few weddings. I used to have a lot more gear too. Now I find 2 of those bags are too big for my current gear, so I bought a simple messenger type [I guess] - it is water resistant and has enough space for the cam with small lens attached [27mm, Helios 44-2 w/adapter, 35mm/23m/18mm etc would all be fine] and a zoom in the other side [55-200 fits fine with hood reversed] I also fit my table tripod, rocket blower, mini flash and a bunch of spare batteries and some micro fibre cloths in. All still a very light package, perfect for me for the bicycle :)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00L4XDAYU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
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manualfocus-g said:
I tell you what, X-T1 bodies are great value now if you don't need the new AF / tracking / dual card slots / joystick etc.!
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I'm happy with my XT1. I only bought XT1 with purpose in mind and it is more then capable to do the job for outing, travel, holiday and family general shots. I don't need the new AF/ tracking/dual card and I only use centre focus mainly so joystick to change focus is not really needed for me.

Personally if I need dual card slot, tracking etc. I think my Nikon D3 is more then capable to shoot the kind of sports I need.
 
Alan Clogwyn said:
Glad to be of service! And I'm now committed - the T2 is up for sale!

https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/fuji-x-t2-body-only.641191/

I've spent all day comparing the two directly in as many aspects as I could, and I've decided for me the T1 suits me better. Going to replace the T2 with a Graphite Silver T1 for Infra Red use I think, although right now I think I'm off down the beach to catch a sunset.
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Well @Alan Clogwyn I like my T2 better than my T1. It's not graphite silver but is there any mileage in suggesting a swap? (Plus cash your way - of course!)

I'll be in Llanberis at the weekend....
 
Has there ever been a new camera that hasn't had people say the older version is better than or equal to.
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Derided by at least one person for this statement, but seems there might be an element of truth to it
 
Is it bring up old posts day? let me go have a dig ... :LOL:

here's a pretty general one, could be it's own thread even -

What do you do on these dark evenings to satisfy your photography urges? The days that I am working or doing my course it's starting to get dark already when i get home. I'm sure many of you are the same. Then got the kids to sort out with their homework and teas ... by time I get to really have 'me' time, I look around and think 'meh' nothing much worth shooting up in here :D
 
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manualfocus-g said:
What I DO need though is a rucksack with camera and lens compartment shallow enough that the kit doesn't rattle out of its place and knock into each other. I'm finding that DSLR bags are too big in this respect.

Anyone found a solution?
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I have a Nanneu Pro bag that is a lovely fit, I think it's a Military Ops Bravo but not 100% as I got it secondhand some time ago. Been an excellent bag and kept the kit dry in some of the worst weather it's possible to be out in, even without the extra rain cover. I'm trying to find something similar but with more capacity as I ripped the top compartment crawling under a gorse bush! I would definitely recommend it as worth a look at least.
mickledore said:
Well @Alan Clogwyn I like my T2 better than my T1. It's not graphite silver but is there any mileage in suggesting a swap? (Plus cash your way - of course!)

I'll be in Llanberis at the weekend....
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Might well be, though I'll be working all weekend I'm afraid, if you fancy popping into the shop for a chat though please do
Terrywoodenpic said:
I don't see it as scientific... as it has not tested any of the areas of improvement between the cameras.
It is more a Justification to "Prove" his Preference,
all rather an expensive mistake in my eyes.
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No offence intended Terry but what would you know about my camera choosing and what works for me? I've shared these comparisons with you all so that you may draw your own conclusions as to the differences the new sensor brings. Sorry the pics are small, that's the forum's fault I'm afraid, they were uploaded full size but it does not display them full size for some reason.

Now then in answer to Nuzik, who the hell shoots Jpeg - I do. In fact after shooting the for sale pics of the X-T2 (in JPEG) I went down the beach and the very first shot (JPEG) was this, which has been through lightroom to tweak the horizon and add the watermark but is otherwise untouched,:

Fly Into the Night by Alan Jones, on Flickr
 
I think many Fuji shooters use Jpeg regularly. I personally don't, I do shoot Jpeg + RAW but almost always end up tweaking the RAW in post. I like to have the Jpeg too just to compare. But you'll always be able to push and pull a RAW file more, if you are processing anyway, may as well get the best file. It's also handy if you're not sure at time of shooting what Fujifilm profile you'd like to choose, and for tinkering with WB it's much better too. But ... other than that nothing wrong with Jpeg, it's what most people use to show off in the end.
 
Spar Abersoch, SH 31075 27815 I'm there 2-10 if you do happen to be passing. What's the plan for a 2nd T2 if you get one?
 
Alan Clogwyn said:
Spar Abersoch, SH 31075 27815 I'm there 2-10 if you do happen to be passing. What's the plan for a 2nd T2 if you get one?
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Don't think we'll be down that far, and I won't be driving.
Plans for a second? Well I was going to use the T1 as back up, but it feels like going back in time when I pick it up. I just prefer the ergonomics etc. of the T2. (I'm happy enough with the images!) The T1 hasn't been out since I upgraded despite my intention to carry a second body at times, particularly when doing long exposure stuff. A second body will enable me to do other things, and if it's the same layout then I won't need to think about it.
Just a whim really and I can't see the T1 getting much use, but I'd like a second/backup body. I'm not going to bust a gut to get one, it just seemed like a good idea at the time. Probably me talking through my arris again.
 
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