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As long as the lenses are the same. Which in the case of the X100 it won't be.
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I agree. And the fact that your RAW files are better preserved than your jpegs in terms of highlights and blacks is a great safety net. Also, if you understand the scene and understand histograms you will know if the exposure is as you want it, or wildly off.
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Sure, so as long as f/ware up to date there should be no noticeable difference in AF speed either?
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Cannot comment with certainty on that, as the T10 has different firmware and cache size to the T1. Obviously the X100 is a completely different camera.
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Have seen unconfirmed reports that the in camera Jpeg algorithms are different between the T1 and T10, little bit more sharpening applied in the latter
Never noticed any discernible difference, buffer capacity is another story though.
Been yesterday could have compared, but the T10 went this morning as a trade against a Pro2
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Just been testing the different shadow and highlight settings and seeing how the histograms vary from jpeg to RAW. First thing to mention is that no combination give exactly the same histogram as the RAW, but that is expected as one has far more detail in the file than the other. Second thing to mention is that the variances between jpeg and RAW can vary quite a bit from scene to scene. Again I guess you'd expect this as it depends on how the camera processed the file to produce the jpeg. Lastly, from my early testing I would say that on average setting both highlights and shadows to -1 as mentioned in that blog arguably gives the closest histogram. However, if you're a RAW and jpeg shooter I would just say set up the jpegs for how you like the look of them as the RAW data is still recoverable whether you use them set to 0, or +/- 2. Setting to +/- 2 makes the images look pretty weird though 
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Ok, just toying with the idea of an XT10, and see how I get along with it. Its a big step to ditch the Nikon system so think I may gently see how the XT10 works, if it seems ok then that may convince me to upgrade to the XT2 after Christmas.
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I ditched my D7100 for my X-T10 earlier this year and have no complaints. Next step is likely an X-T2 next year.
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Just been testing the different shadow and highlight settings and seeing how the histograms vary from jpeg to RAW. First thing to mention is that no combination give exactly the same histogram as the RAW, but that is expected as one has far more detail in the file than the other. Second thing to mention is that the variances between jpeg and RAW can vary quite a bit from scene to scene. Again I guess you'd expect this as it depends on how the camera processed the file to produce the jpeg. Lastly, from my early testing I would say that on average setting both highlights and shadows to -1 as mentioned in that blog arguably gives the closest histogram. However, if you're a RAW and jpeg shooter I would just say set up the jpegs for how you like the look of them as the RAW data is still recoverable whether you use them set to 0, or +/- 2. Setting to +/- 2 makes the images look pretty weird though
Ultimate accuracy isn't really the main thing I'm after, for me it's more useful to try and tell how far I can let the histogram go off the right hand side and for it to be still recoverable. That in itself is a massive help for me and for me cuts the shooting and checking and reshooting I'd be doing with a DSLR down to almost nothing.
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Finally making the return to a Fuji after owning the original X100 back in 2011.
The choice to move to Fuji wasn't taken lightly as I am coming from a high-end Sony A7RII + G Master system.
Can't wait.
I can see where you're coming from and this is my last word on the subject (and I hope you don't mind me butting in...) as you're an adult and you've done your sums.
Looking at it from purely a money point of view for me the Sony and Fuji kit is more or less the same cost. Sony = (A7) £2,700, Fuji (XT1) = amazingly £2,900. Note that this is just a body and 35, 50mm (equiv for Fuji) and kit lens.
For you it works as you bought the mega high end Sony kit but I do think that to make it really work financially you need to remember why you're doing this and keep the enthusiasm and GAS under control.
Good luck with it
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I can see where you're coming from and this is my last word on the subject (and I hope you don't mind me butting in...) as you're an adult and you've done your sums.
Looking at it from purely a money point of view for me the Sony and Fuji kit is more or less the same cost. Sony = (A7) £2,700, Fuji (XT1) = amazingly £2,900. Note that this is just a body and 35, 50mm (equiv for Fuji) and kit lens.
For you it works as you bought the mega high end Sony kit but I do think that to make it really work financially you need to remember why you're doing this and keep the enthusiasm and GAS under control.
Good luck with it
My enthusiasm and GAS is barely containable..... XT-2 is on its way... wooowhooo
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Not quite sure of your sums, if I'm reading you right. Based on current new Amazon prices, the X-T1 plus 18-55 "kit" lens is £1069.99. Add the 23mm f2 (35mm equiv) for £419 and the 35mm f2 (50mm equiv) for £299.99 and you get £1788.98.I can see where you're coming from and this is my last word on the subject (and I hope you don't mind me butting in...) as you're an adult and you've done your sums.
Looking at it from purely a money point of view for me the Sony and Fuji kit is more or less the same cost. Sony = (A7) £2,700, Fuji (XT1) = amazingly £2,900. Note that this is just a body and 35, 50mm (equiv for Fuji) and kit lens.
For you it works as you bought the mega high end Sony kit but I do think that to make it really work financially you need to remember why you're doing this and keep the enthusiasm and GAS under control.
Good luck with it
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Got the prices all off Wex with the Fuji primes being f1.4 lenses. Yes you can go with the cheaper f2's but to compete with the A7 kit? IMO No. Checked twice as I knew what you guys would say
Anyway, ignore my kit. The point was that if you change systems for cost reasons there's little point letting GAS run away with you.
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No reason to buy new with an X-T1 being so affordable, Sony is still pricy second hand. The Fuji gear you could pick up for ~£1100.
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Substituting for f1.4 in both cases doesn't add another £1100 to get to your £2900!Got the prices all off Wex with the Fuji primes being f1.4 lenses. Yes you can go with the cheaper f2's but to compete with the A7 kit? IMO No. Checked twice as I knew what you guys would say
Anyway, ignore my kit. The point was that if you change systems for cost reasons there's little point letting GAS run away with you.
Anyway, who said our hobby made financial sense?
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I can see where you're coming from and this is my last word on the subject (and I hope you don't mind me butting in...) as you're an adult and you've done your sums.
Looking at it from purely a money point of view for me the Sony and Fuji kit is more or less the same cost. Sony = (A7) £2,700, Fuji (XT1) = amazingly £2,900. Note that this is just a body and 35, 50mm (equiv for Fuji) and kit lens.
For you it works as you bought the mega high end Sony kit but I do think that to make it really work financially you need to remember why you're doing this and keep the enthusiasm and GAS under control.
Good luck with it
Think your math is wrongGot the prices all off Wex with the Fuji primes being f1.4 lenses. Yes you can go with the cheaper f2's but to compete with the A7 kit? IMO No. Checked twice as I knew what you guys would say
Anyway, ignore my kit. The point was that if you change systems for cost reasons there's little point letting GAS run away with you.
(All prices from WEX)Fuji X-T1 with 18-55mm £1049 (£924 after CB)
23mm f1.4 £789 (£709 after CB)
35mm f1.4 £499 (£459 after CB)
Total £2337 (£2092 after CB)
I can't comment on the Sony though as not sure which model you were referring to
Some seriously dodgy maths going on here
X-T1 + 18-55 - £1029
23mm f1.4 - £661 - £80 cashback
35mm f1.4 - £446 - £40 cashback
Total cost - £2016
When the Sony 35mm f1.4 is £1243 on its own
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Substituting for f1.4 in both cases doesn't add another £1100 to get to your £2900!
Anyway, who said our hobby made financial sense?
Why did I get into this...
XT1 + 23 and 35mm f1.4 and the variable aperture standard zoom comes to £2,900 on Wex. Why would I lie? And I did double check just incase I'd misread. Maybe I shouldn't have posted in a Fuji thread, recipe for endless nit picking and contradiction but my point was genuinely meant as friendly and helpful... I just think that when changing kit for budget reasons GAS has to be controlled otherwise it stands a chance of all starting again but thankfully there's no equivalent of either the A7RII or GM lenses in Fuji land.
Over and most definitely out.
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sure you didn't mean X-T2?Why did I get into this...
XT1 + 23 and 35mm f1.4 and the variable aperture standard zoom comes to £2,900 on Wex. Why would I lie? And I did double check just incase I'd misread. Maybe I shouldn't have posted in a Fuji thread, recipe for endless nit picking and contradiction but my point was genuinely meant as friendly and helpful... I just think that when changing kit for budget reasons GAS has to be controlled otherwise it stands a chance of all starting again but thankfully there's no equivalent of either the A7RII or GM lenses in Fuji land.
Over and most definitely out.
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I agree with the point of your post,....... even if you're prices are way outWhy did I get into this...
XT1 + 23 and 35mm f1.4 and the variable aperture standard zoom comes to £2,900 on Wex. Why would I lie? And I did double check just incase I'd misread. Maybe I shouldn't have posted in a Fuji thread, recipe for endless nit picking and contradiction but my point was genuinely meant as friendly and helpful... I just think that when changing kit for budget reasons GAS has to be controlled otherwise it stands a chance of all starting again but thankfully there's no equivalent of either the A7RII or GM lenses in Fuji land.
Over and most definitely out.
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I'm sure he must have as that is £600 more for the kit over the XT1 which would make the price roughly £2900 before CBS
sure you didn't mean X-T2?
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I got the XT-1 with 5 batteries and 2 chargers, the 27mm 2.8 and the 55-200mm 3.5-4.8 all for £1070, all were in I would say almost mint condition. There's great used deals about if you look for them. Three different sellers btw,
You can get the 18-55 for less than 300
You can get the 18-55 for less than 300
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But only a muppet would buy the XT1 and 18-55mm separatelyOh for F sake Guys!
XT1 - £919.
23mm f1.4 - £789.
35mm f1.4 - £499.
18-55mm - £619.
=£2826.
So I rounded up a few £. I did the same with the Sony. Shoot me.
Can I get on with my life now?
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Oh for F sake Guys!
XT1 - £919.
23mm f1.4 - £789.
35mm f1.4 - £499.
18-55mm - £619.
=£2826.
So I rounded up a few £. I did the same with the Sony. Shoot me.
Can I get on with my life now?
X-T1 with 18-55 kit is £924 after cash back.
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Well, I'd say that only someone deeply into photography would buy a Sony A7RII and GM lenses.
I've seen this happen with people I know with anything from cameras to cars. GAS is a dangerous thing and I really do think it's worth thinking about whet you/we are doing. It's so easy to get carried away and end up with a load of kit that doesn't get you anything over what kit a fraction of the price would get you. I really do feel for the people who get carried away, not that Rizvan is in that category but I'm sure we've all seen it.
I've seen this happen with people I know with anything from cameras to cars. GAS is a dangerous thing and I really do think it's worth thinking about whet you/we are doing. It's so easy to get carried away and end up with a load of kit that doesn't get you anything over what kit a fraction of the price would get you. I really do feel for the people who get carried away, not that Rizvan is in that category but I'm sure we've all seen it.
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Is the same true of the A7 and kit lens?
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Been there, done that. Even now my gear vastly outstrips my ability as a photographer. I'm just a happy snapper dad truth be told
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It depends on the type of GAS imo. If you have it as you think it will improve your photography you are always setting yourself up for disappointed and the constant quest of buying new gear. However, if you have GAS because you just like trying out new things and aware that it's just a money pit then it's fair enough imo (as long as you have the finances). I've been of the latter recently but I've been buying and selling used and actually haven't lost any money in the process overall so I'm pretty happy with that.
Unsurprisingly I've not seen any improvement in my pictures though, they're still sh**
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£999 isn't it? I didn't realise they were still selling the A7.
I still miss FF if I'm honest, even though I don't use my Canon that much. Then again it is a massive brick in comparison to the Fuji! (1Ds2). So I keep having a look at the Sony, probably the A7II. Keep my 1D4 and a couple of lenses for sports, and the Sony for everything else. It's just all the hassle changing systems again though.
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Fair point - been there done (and still doing) that.
But you can't take it with you. As long as you're not hurting anyone else does it matter who spends what?
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For me the Sony A7's (and A6xxx for that matter) are still the worst cameras I've tried from an ergonomics point of view, I really can't get on with them at all. Clearly I'm in the minority though
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For me the Sony A7's (and A6xxx for that matter) are still the worst cameras I've tried from an ergonomics point of view, I really can't get on with them at all. Clearly I'm in the minority though
I've only handled the display models, seemed okay in the hand but obviously no idea of it in actual use. If I can get on with the old 1Ds2 and it's two handed operation, I reckon it's still got to be a step in the right direction
I find the A#### bodies too small though.
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Who's cares how much it costs, it's photography and the cost gor most people will be too much for what they use it for ubless they are selling their prints and their time.
That said by used, you'll save good money.
Oh I have two filters coming this week! And i got three alternative company batteries I'll report back if they are any good.
That said by used, you'll save good money.
Oh I have two filters coming this week! And i got three alternative company batteries I'll report back if they are any good.
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I always use Ex-Pro batteries. What filters have you got?
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Agreed - I had a Nex5 for a while and it was horrible to use!For me the Sony A7's (and A6xxx for that matter) are still the worst cameras I've tried from an ergonomics point of view, I really can't get on with them at all. Clearly I'm in the minority though