The Fabulous Fuji X owners thread

[Simes123]

I'm knew to Fuji as well and as I can see most are holding their prices compared to used. I went down the used route as if it's a good lens the warranty although nice I've found I've never used on any.

The prime 18mm is noise than the 56mm but it's a third of the cost.

I got my camera used as well xt2 off eBay for £1100 and felt that. All in all if I did sell I probably wouldn't lose anything and break even.

The camera itself is good feels nice in the hand but if like me you haven't had mirrorless before its a little different.

I've only had mine a day or two and can't wait to actually get used to it

You were lucky getting the camera used at this point in time. The Xt1s seem to be struggling around the £4-500 mark which is perhaps a reflection of where the XT2 will be in a couple of years and the 3 is announced. That's not so bad really - a 5D4 was £3.6k at launch and within a few short weeks it's already available for £2.6k grey. That will set the benchmark for used already, and in a couple of years it will be worth £1300 I'm guessing used at best. That's a bigger depreciation than the XT2 costs to begin with. So on bodies alone, the bigger you are the harder you fall kind of applies.

The lenses on the Canon seem to barely depreciate if you buy used. (Unless a new model comes out then they drop like a stone) I sense that the same will be similar with the Fuji except with higher risk of replacement occurring and less demand relative to Canon overall keeping values lower generally.

 

[Nuzik]

You were lucky getting the camera used at this point in time. The Xt1s seem to be struggling around the £4-500 mark which is perhaps a reflection of where the XT2 will be in a couple of years and the 3 is announced. That's not so bad really - a 5D4 was £3.6k at launch and within a few short weeks it's already available for £2.6k grey. That will set the benchmark for used already, and in a couple of years it will be worth £1300 I'm guessing used at best. That's a bigger depreciation than the XT2 costs to begin with. So on bodies alone, the bigger you are the harder you fall kind of applies.

The lenses on the Canon seem to barely depreciate if you buy used. (Unless a new model comes out then they drop like a stone) I sense that the same will be similar with the Fuji except with higher risk of replacement occurring and less demand relative to Canon overall keeping values lower generally.

You are telling me how lucky I was I watched ebay like a hawk. I wanted a 100% swap with my Nikon and managed it for £1100 for my d750 so was on a tight budget and did it. Even got 11 months warranty on the body crazy that it was sold on so quickly.

 

[Cagey75]

You are telling me how lucky I was I watched ebay like a hawk. I wanted a 100% swap with my Nikon and managed it for £1100 for my d750 so was on a tight budget and did it. Even got 11 months warranty on the body crazy that it was sold on so quickly.

Possibly a shop demo model? Have seen those sold for great prices and they're usually in better nick than consumer used models

 

[BacktotheFuji]

You were lucky getting the camera used at this point in time. The Xt1s seem to be struggling around the £4-500 mark which is perhaps a reflection of where the XT2 will be in a couple of years and the 3 is announced. That's not so bad really - a 5D4 was £3.6k at launch and within a few short weeks it's already available for £2.6k grey. That will set the benchmark for used already, and in a couple of years it will be worth £1300 I'm guessing used at best. That's a bigger depreciation than the XT2 costs to begin with. So on bodies alone, the bigger you are the harder you fall kind of applies.

The lenses on the Canon seem to barely depreciate if you buy used. (Unless a new model comes out then they drop like a stone) I sense that the same will be similar with the Fuji except with higher risk of replacement occurring and less demand relative to Canon overall keeping values lower generally.

After initial depreciation, Fuji lenses hold steady or increase in value. Generally the price of used lenses has increased by 10-15℅ over the past couple of months.

 

[Greggster]

@Nuzik - lovely shots (and dog!). I have the same chair, similarly taken-over but by a pair of cats.

Some more from my Japanese stuff. All XT1 with LR's Classic Chrome profile. First 2 are the 35/f2 and the third is the 10-24 around 16mm


View over Kyoto by stickyfiddle, on Flickr


Kyoto Tower by stickyfiddle, on Flickr


Golden Pavilion by stickyfiddle, on Flickr

No's 2 and 3 are cracking, and good use of C Chrome [emoji106][emoji106]

 

[Simes123]

After initial depreciation, Fuji lenses hold steady or increase in value. Generally the price of used lenses has increased by 10-15℅ over the past couple of months.

That's probably just a Brexit impact. Remains to be seen how that plays out in the used space and might help those who bought in the summer. A colleague has found that the MPB buy prices on Fuji lenses are significantly lower as a fraction of their new price as compared with his Canon kit; they don't seem to be pricing in the increases in new price. However, Fuji does appear to be building market share and that will be positive for demand in the longer term you'd hope.

 

[minnnt]

Glad you lot still talk about me. I just wish someone would tag me so I didn't have to trawl through all the junk you lot talk about.

One thing I did notice is that @ryanyboy was talking about the Siggy 35 back focusing when shooting at a longer distance. Have you got the dock for it? You could fine tune the longer focus distances with it. Probably not something you would be interested in doing given your plan for your full fooj future but it should certainly sort your issues out in the mean time.

Have fun peeps!

 

[Mr Perceptive]

Glad you lot still talk about me. I just wish someone would tag me so I didn't have to trawl through all the junk you lot talk about.

One thing I did notice is that @ryanyboy was talking about the Siggy 35 back focusing when shooting at a longer distance. Have you got the dock for it? You could fine tune the longer focus distances with it. Probably not something you would be interested in doing given your plan for your full fooj future but it should certainly sort your issues out in the mean time.

Have fun peeps!

Nice to see you here, see you've 'invested' in a Retro camera, when you want to do it properly you'll be back here (I mean this thread is so short of selfies )

 

[minnnt]

No wonder with all your ugly mugs.

 

[Nuzik]

Selfies! i do loads shall I add some @snerkler loves my selfies

 

[minnnt]

Yes, go for it.

 

[SsSsSsSsSnake]

Glad you lot still talk about me. I just wish someone would tag me so I didn't have to trawl through all the junk you lot talk about.

One thing I did notice is that @ryanyboy was talking about the Siggy 35 back focusing when shooting at a longer distance. Have you got the dock for it? You could fine tune the longer focus distances with it. Probably not something you would be interested in doing given your plan for your full fooj future but it should certainly sort your issues out in the mean time.

Have fun peeps!

I feel for you mate,bit like a boat without a rudder right now but everything will work out ok,perhaps you and Rookies could start something new

 

[minnnt]

I've not had a rudder for a while now.

 

[Nuzik]

I've not had a rudder for a while now.

dutch rudder.....

 

[minnnt]

dutch rudder.....

It is Sunday after all:

 

[BacktotheFuji]

dutch rudder.....

OK, hands up who else had to Google that?!

 

[Nuzik]

haha

 

[Stephen L]

haha

My education is complete.

 

[snerkler]

Still waiting on my X-T2 order with WEX - anyone else had WEX deliveries and how long did it take to come?

I'm still a bit on the fence about my pending systems switch from Canon. I've sold most of my gear now apart from 1 lens and a few accessories. So could still go 5D4, with my photography pot. (Initial plan was 16-35 f4 IS, 24-105 II (or 24-70 2.8 II tbd) and keep my 70-200 2.8 II or downsize to f4 IS). This is still an option.

I'm a bit nervous about a couple of things about the Fuji. One is lens quality and maturity. The Fuji lenses certainly seem excellent optically, but there are lots of comments about noisy clicky AF in some lenses (35 1.4 and one or two others). Loose aperture rings, and other QC issues. If they were cheap I'd not be so concerned, but the lenses are comparatively pricey. E.g. 70-200 f4 IS L can be picked up for £750 grey, whereas the almost physically identical Fuji is £1300 - Brexit isn't the difference as that was last night,

The other is consistency across the lens range. I get that there is a good lens range relative to mirrorless. But I can't seem to buy a trinity of WR zooms of comparable quality and nothing coming in the roadmap to address that. Similarly with primes, I can't get a set of 1.4 lens with WR and don't see them being completed in the roadmap.

The other is used values - gear is not an investment I get that, but I sense that when it comes to upgrade time there will be a deeper bath with the Fuji gear. Perhaps the answer to that is to only buy the lenses used.

I'd be interested in your thoughts on these areas - WEX are quite happy for me to change my mind even after the camera arrives, so I'm still on the switch route for now. I just want to resolve or accept my concerns - I end up with a few quid in the bank going the Fuji route, and there are other pros I do like. Just want to resolve some of the cons that still exist in my mind.

You were lucky getting the camera used at this point in time. The Xt1s seem to be struggling around the £4-500 mark which is perhaps a reflection of where the XT2 will be in a couple of years and the 3 is announced. That's not so bad really - a 5D4 was £3.6k at launch and within a few short weeks it's already available for £2.6k grey. That will set the benchmark for used already, and in a couple of years it will be worth £1300 I'm guessing used at best. That's a bigger depreciation than the XT2 costs to begin with. So on bodies alone, the bigger you are the harder you fall kind of applies.

The lenses on the Canon seem to barely depreciate if you buy used. (Unless a new model comes out then they drop like a stone) I sense that the same will be similar with the Fuji except with higher risk of replacement occurring and less demand relative to Canon overall keeping values lower generally.

From my experience I haven't noticed that Fuji lenses depreciate any more than Canon or NIkon tbh. Within a brand though some lenses do depreciate more than others though so you need to look across the board. I'm happy to be proven wrong of course, but all I can comment on is my experience

That's probably just a Brexit impact. Remains to be seen how that plays out in the used space and might help those who bought in the summer. A colleague has found that the MPB buy prices on Fuji lenses are significantly lower as a fraction of their new price as compared with his Canon kit; they don't seem to be pricing in the increases in new price. However, Fuji does appear to be building market share and that will be positive for demand in the longer term you'd hope.

Again, depend on what you look at. The Fuji 56mm f1.2 is £759 new on Amazon, £609 used like new on MPB, that's a 20% loss in price. The Canon 85mm f1.8 is £279 new on amazon, £224 used like new on MPB, that's a 20% loss. The 85mm f1.2 II is £1494 new on amazon and a used as new one recently sold on MPB for £1119, a 25% loss. Fuji 14mm f2.8 new on Amazon £659, used like new on MPB £509, 23% loss. Canon 14mm f2.8 new £1429, used like new £1179, loss of 23%. I think you get the drift

 

[snerkler]

Selfies! i do loads shall I add some @snerkler loves my selfies

Nooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Greggster]

Just a quick test in the garden of my newly acquired 60mm

 

[Simes123]

From my experience I haven't noticed that Fuji lenses depreciate any more than Canon or NIkon tbh. Within a brand though some lenses do depreciate more than others though so you need to look across the board. I'm happy to be proven wrong of course, but all I can comment on is my experience


Again, depend on what you look at. The Fuji 56mm f1.2 is £759 new on Amazon, £609 used like new on MPB, that's a 20% loss in price. The Canon 85mm f1.8 is £279 new on amazon, £224 used like new on MPB, that's a 20% loss. The 85mm f1.2 II is £1494 new on amazon and a used as new one recently sold on MPB for £1119, a 25% loss. Fuji 14mm f2.8 new on Amazon £659, used like new on MPB £509, 23% loss. Canon 14mm f2.8 new £1429, used like new £1179, loss of 23%. I think you get the drift

I agree and MPB's sell strategy clearly takes the new price into account. What I was talking about above was their Buy price, not their sell price. I just did the maths to see, and it's not as bad as I thought. The specific example was for a 50-140 and their buy offer was approx 50% of the new Amazon price. Whereas with my 70-200 II, their offer was around 60% of the new (UK) price. That's within the last couple of weeks. The difference though, in my mind that the Fuji grey isn't much cheaper, but the Canon grey can be had for a chunk cheaper. So comparing used buy values there, the difference is 50% for the Fuji, to 75% for the Canon's new value grey. Perhaps academic, as MPB won't buy grey, but it is reflected in the Used marketplace. I guess in that circumstance, the shift could work in Fuji's favour. At the end of the day, I think buying and selling camera gear is hardly an investment for the end user. And if I bought a 5DIV today for £2.6k grey market (which has already knocked 1k off the value of used bodies launched only a few weeks ago) and sold it in a couple of years, I'd get probably £1.3k for it. A £1.3k loss for a grey buyer, a £2.3k loss for a UK buyer. So in Canon land, the body loss is where it's definitely going to clobber you most. If the XT-2 in 2 years time, might only be worth £500-£600. Still a chunk of loss, but only £8-900. If it was worth nothing, it would still not have cost any more than the Canon body.

Extending that out to 4 years, I'd guess the 5DIV would still be worth around £1k, whereas the XT-2, maybe £200. But the starting point was much worse for the Canon... The Fuji doesn't then look so bad a proposition.

 

[Cagey75]

The camera shops over here don't seem to give a hoot about depreciation, their prices are scandalous - I was shocked when I checked them. An example, the 18mm F2 WR: €599!!!? Whut?

Anyway, need trading in the used market and think I have my set up locked on now. Got the XT-1 with some spare batteries and chargers and bits and bobs, a mint 27mm and a 55-200, and that will do for now.

 

[Thunderbird010]

One with the Kiron 80-200 f4 macro another £15 lens off ebay. Weighs a flaming tonne!!

 

[Nuzik]

What macro lenses are there?

Took the camera out today and tried to take some photos, struggled with the auto focus compared to what i am used to on my D750. Not sure if i need to muck about with the settings some more.
i also notice that at 1:1 there is noise even at 200 ISO
But i also noticed my ISO was very high today i assume there was enough light in the sky for better than 1250 even at 200. But it was defaulting my images to a stupidly high shutter speed and a high ISO! makes no sense.

 

[Simes123]

What macro lenses are there?

Took the camera out today and tried to take some photos, struggled with the auto focus compared to what i am used to on my D750. Not sure if i need to muck about with the settings some more.
i also notice that at 1:1 there is noise even at 200 ISO
But i also noticed my ISO was very high today i assume there was enough light in the sky for better than 1250 even at 200. But it was defaulting my images to a stupidly high shutter speed and a high ISO! makes no sense.

What were the AF issues you were having?

There is a 60mm f2.4 I believe that does up to 1:2 life size. I've no experience with it whatsoever obviously, but was asking myself the same re macro lenses. It's reportedly pretty slow to AF, but good and sharp apparently.

 

[Mr Perceptive]

Macro

Fuji XF60mm 1:2
Zeiss 50mm 1:1
Samyang 100mm 1:1 (manual)

Fuji also do extension tube MCEX-11 and 16 which fit on any Fuji Lens and still retain AF, will give you near 1:1 on some lenses (especially if stacked)

Next Year Fuji 80mm Macro

Then with adapters you have a world of Macro lenses.......

 

[Nuzik]

extremely slow to AF, tracking was out even on children who weren't moving that quickly to be honest.
id expect it to keep up with their slow movement as i would like to use this for street in the end.

Thanks for the info on the macros

 

[mickledore]

Glad you lot still talk about me. I just wish someone would tag me so I didn't have to trawl through all the junk you lot talk about.

One thing I did notice is that @ryanyboy was talking about the Siggy 35 back focusing when shooting at a longer distance. Have you got the dock for it? You could fine tune the longer focus distances with it. Probably not something you would be interested in doing given your plan for your full fooj future but it should certainly sort your issues out in the mean time.

Have fun peeps!

I'll tag you @minnnt You'll feel at home here. All the talk is about D750s.

 

[Mr Perceptive]

extremely slow to AF, tracking was out even on children who weren't moving that quickly to be honest.
id expect it to keep up with their slow movement as i would like to use this for street in the end.

Thanks for the info on the macros

What lens??

And if Tracking which mode were you in, there are a whole load of them to explore, these work a lot better than just trying to use AF-C on it's own.

 

[Nuzik]

Battery is charging I'll have a look at what it's full settings are

 

[BacktotheFuji]

What macro lenses are there?

Took the camera out today and tried to take some photos, struggled with the auto focus compared to what i am used to on my D750. Not sure if i need to muck about with the settings some more.
i also notice that at 1:1 there is noise even at 200 ISO
But i also noticed my ISO was very high today i assume there was enough light in the sky for better than 1250 even at 200. But it was defaulting my images to a stupidly high shutter speed and a high ISO! makes no sense.

We're you shooting with auto iso? If so, it sounds like you had the minimum shutter speed set too high. Or you accidentally dialled in a high shutter speed manually.

BTW if you were shooting with the 60/2.4, it is universally known as Fuji's slowest focusing lens...

 

[Nuzik]

I only have an 18mm f2 and a 1.2f 56mm.
I changed the shutter speed slowest setting to 100 as my hands are terrible. But that's all. Need to have a proper look.

 

[Mr Perceptive]

I only have an 18mm f2 and a 1.2f 56mm.
I changed the shutter speed slowest setting to 100 as my hands are terrible. But that's all. Need to have a proper look.

You need to read up on the zone tracking and wide tracking functions, and the variety of available settings/options within each mode. If I can get (as a rank amateur) get an X-T2 to track and lock onto a fast moving racecar, you won't have issues with slow moving children

Look here first http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/x/fujifilm_x_t2/features/page_02.html

 

[jj_glos]

extremely slow to AF, tracking was out even on children who weren't moving that quickly to be honest.
id expect it to keep up with their slow movement as i would like to use this for street in the end.

Thanks for the info on the macros

Hopefully you're not finding out the reason it was only £1100 on eBay?! Was it the one with the missing cover on the PC port? From the photographersbag?

 

[Spiritflier]

The X-T2 is more than capable of tracking fast-moving stuff... These Hawks are about the fastest thing you'll see flying at low-level (roughly 400mph) and the camera tracks them easily.

 

[Nuzik]

Hopefully you're not finding out the reason it was only £1100 on eBay?! Was it the one with the missing cover on the PC port? From the photographersbag?

Is the pc port at the bottom? If so yes.
And I'm sure it's me I got stunning visuals the day before

 

[mickledore]

At present in Mexico City there are guys shooting the Rosberg/Hamilton F1 Championship battle with X-T2 bodies.
It was released to the general public on a Thursday and on the Saturday @Mr Perceptive and myself went to Oulton Park. We took some 2000 shots a large number if which were fully sharp and in focus.

The camera will do all that guys of our ability require it to do. Providing, of course, that one takes the time to study it's functions and learns how to use it.

 

[Thunderbird010]

I was trying to track squirrels today and a lot of them didn't come out in focus. However this was down to three things 1. bad light, 2. the 50-230 not being the quickest to focus. 3. The pillock behind the camera. Managed to get this one though.

 

[Thunderbird010]

Why do my pictures come out horizontal when in portrait mode!! Even though it's the right way round on the phone.