The Fabulous Fuji X owners thread

simonblue said:
I think it can cause a lot of confusion among users if your forever changing your sensors,Fuji have often stated when they feel the need for an larger they will bring one out,but at the moment they don't feel the need.
I guess if your unhappy with Fuji sensors,maybe time for those user to look for another system :)
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Forever changing? Confusing how? Again, who said anything about larger sensors?
 
ukaskew said:
Couldn't have put it better myself, they've built a near fully rounded APS-C system in 3 years and not really put a foot wrong. The lens line up is absolutely insane for a 3 year old system, we've almost got every classic focal length in extremely high quality, very fast, sharp form. The scary thing is, short of a native fisheye an tilt shift, they've pretty much got a complete system announced now. The only question mark is around a super tele prime, but the system isn't there to take advantage of that yet.

CaNikon haven't given their APS-C users most of these focal lengths in god knows how long, I can't believe that neither system has anything approaching a decent fast 35 equivalent, let alone a 24, 85 or 135.
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I think Nikons clearly pushing FF as the next consumer level. What about the 24 1.4, 35 1.4, 58 1.4 and 85 1.4? Fx lenses but can be used on dx, any case for fuji money you get nikon ff so have all the very good 1.8G lenses.

You're picking holes in canikons lineup but they have far more lenses available plus back catalogue and major 3rd party support. Along with far more accessories. Fuji has done well in the time they've had though.
 
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HectorHughMunro said:
Yes, there is, actually. I came to the X-T1 from a D800 and, while I prefer the Fuji for a lot of reasons, I do miss the resolution. The greater resolution means that you can crop and only carry a single prine lens rather than carry a bag full of lenses or a zoom. For the most part, you don't notice the increase in noise because you don't compare shots on a 1:1 pixel ratio. Bigger sensors are nicer because of depth of field issues though, for me, not if you sacrifice body size.

If they bring out a 24 MP sensor, I'll be in the queue.
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I chopped my 800 in against my first Fuji - an X-Pro1 with the 18 and 60 primes as well as most of an 18-55-200 zoom pair. Like you, I was tricked into thinking that the 800 allowed major cropping (which it does but runs into lens limitations fairly soon!) but barely used the 800 for anything. In fact, I used it less in the year I owned it than I did the Fuji in the first month I had it. Now got a D750 which handles my lenses better than the 800 did and allows some cropping. I can still get great A4 prints from a cropped 750 file and that's usually as far as I'd crop anyway.

twist said:
I think Nikons clearly pushing FF as the next consumer level. What about the 24 1.4, 35 1.4, 58 1.4 and 85 1.4? Fx lenses but can be used on dx, any case for fuji money you get nikon ff so have all the very good 1.8G lenses.

You're picking holes in canikons lineup but they have far more lenses available plus back catalogue and major 3rd party support. Along with far more accessories. Fuji has done well in the time they've had though.
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Run both systems - problem solved!
 
The new focus system looks good in these videos. One problem though, shooting at f5. 6 with a wide lens the whole frame was in focus. I ll only be convinced when I try it at f1. 2 ;)
 
Just toying with the idea of getting either an X-T1 or 10 to replace my MFT gear but I have a few questions which I may have asked already but if I have I've forgotten (I'm getting old.)

Do you get constant DoF preview in all modes like you can get with my Sony A7? The Sony is great in this respect but my Panasonic cameras can only do this in Manual and it's very clunky. I'm hoping that Fuji is more like Sony.

Can you have auto ISO in all exposure modes including manual (again like my A7?)

If you want to shoot faster than 1/4000 I guess you have to use electronic shutter so I assume you have to select this manually whenever you want to shoot faster than 1/4000?

I noticed that the max ISO is 6400 for raw so what do you do if you want to shoot raw at higher ISO's? Is it ok to shoot at the max ISO and boost post capture or will this result in a horrible mess and is it better just to stop at the max ISO?

Appreciate any user feedback as getting this stuff from reviews or the manual may be very difficult.
 
woof woof said:
Just toying with the idea of getting either an X-T1 or 10 to replace my MFT gear but I have a few questions which I may have asked already but if I have I've forgotten (I'm getting old.)

Do you get constant DoF preview in all modes like you can get with my Sony A7? The Sony is great in this respect but my Panasonic cameras can only do this in Manual and it's very clunky. I'm hoping that Fuji is more like Sony.
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yes, more like the way sony does it.

woof woof said:
Can you have auto ISO in all exposure modes including manual (again like my A7?)
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yes

woof woof said:
I noticed that the max ISO is 6400 for raw so what do you do if you want to shoot raw at higher ISO's? Is it ok to shoot at the max ISO and boost post capture or will this result in a horrible mess and is it better just to stop at the max ISO?
I stop at 6400 rather then push it into h1 & 2 which are JPG only as you know. I've only boasted 6,400 shoots by maybe 1/3rd stop which does week but you are limited where you can go with this as an option. Fuji ISO doesn't quite match where it says it is either
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Exactly as above for points 1 & 2. Re point 3, high Fuji iso is really good and unless you are going to be shooting at iso 6400 or above most of the time I won't worry about going down the Fuji route
 
Great stuff about constant preview and auto ISO but less good about the max ISO.

Back when I had Canon DSLR's ISO 3200 and f1.4 gave a shutter speed in the region of low 10's which with a 50mm lens is barely adequate for hand held shooting let alone if the subject moves so I sometimes had to take multiple shots and pick the best and although 6400 is an improvement I've got used to not only being able to shoot at higher ISO's but being able to do so with smaller apertures to get more DoF and still having a useable shutter speed..

But, it may not be a deal breaker. A few years back a lot of my photography was in low light or even night time but not so much these days and I do have the A7 for night fishing and gigs and parties etc.

I'll have to think. Thanks for the fast replies.
 
I've just watched the early reviews for the X-T10. It's a terrific piece of work. Less ugly than the Fuji Rumors web photos; the high shouldered look looks like it comes from reducing the overall size. The viewfinder downgrade seems bearable; it seems to be the X30 viewfinder which I've tried. The area where I would suffer looks to be the size of the buffer which is significantly less than the X-T1.
 
woof woof said:
Great stuff about constant preview and auto ISO but less good about the max ISO.

Back when I had Canon DSLR's ISO 3200 and f1.4 gave a shutter speed in the region of low 10's which with a 50mm lens is barely adequate for hand held shooting let alone if the subject moves so I sometimes had to take multiple shots and pick the best and although 6400 is an improvement I've got used to not only being able to shoot at higher ISO's but being able to do so with smaller apertures to get more DoF and still having a useable shutter speed..

But, it may not be a deal breaker. A few years back a lot of my photography was in low light or even night time but not so much these days and I do have the A7 for night fishing and gigs and parties etc.

I'll have to think. Thanks for the fast replies.
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Alan, fuji iso isn't true, 6400 will be around 4000 on your A7. Something to keep in mind if you want to use iso to bump your SS. It's a great camera though and sensor performance is good.
 
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woof woof said:
Can you have auto ISO in all exposure modes including manual (again like my A7?)
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At present not like the A7, exposure compensation does not work in manual (but is being fixed in the next firmware)

As you know I came from A7R to my XT1 and I find the Fuji equal to or better than the A7R in low light situations.
 
Alan Clogwyn said:
At present not like the A7, exposure compensation does not work in manual (but is being fixed in the next firmware)

As you know I came from A7R to my XT1 and I find the Fuji equal to or better than the A7R in low light situations.
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Thats because the A7R file is 36MP and the XT1 is doing a lot of in camera processing, also the ISO is false. IMO the Fuji really stands out in terms of colour SOOC, especially skin tones at lower ISO.

 
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I'm tempted by the newly announced X-T10 to replace my X-E1, mainly for the improved focusing system. Low light is a complete nightmare at the moment.

Pre-order available at £499 body only, plus Wex are advertising £170 trade in value for an X-E1 which seems decent.

woof woof said:
I noticed that the max ISO is 6400 for raw so what do you do if you want to shoot raw at higher ISO's? Is it ok to shoot at the max ISO and boost post capture or will this result in a horrible mess and is it better just to stop at the max ISO?
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I don't shoot a lot of RAW but I've read that you get better results than 6400 by shooting ISO 1600 and setting the dial to underexpose by 2 stops for the equivalent shutter speed, then recovering exposure by the same amount in post. Never tried it though :cool:
 
simonblue said:
I would think sometime in June :)
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I'm betting on June 18th, same day as the X-T10 release. Otherwise the lesser camera will have a better AF system, albeit briefly.
 
twist said:
Alan, fuji iso isn't true, 6400 will be around 4000 on your A7. Something to keep in mind if you want to use iso to bump your SS. It's a great camera though and sensor performance is good.
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Alan Clogwyn said:
At present not like the A7, exposure compensation does not work in manual (but is being fixed in the next firmware)

As you know I came from A7R to my XT1 and I find the Fuji equal to or better than the A7R in low light situations.
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JYC said:
I don't shoot a lot of RAW but I've read that you get better results than 6400 by shooting ISO 1600 and setting the dial to underexpose by 2 stops for the equivalent shutter speed, then recovering exposure by the same amount in post. Never tried it though :cool:
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If 6400 is like Sony 4000 I really can't see how the XT1 is the equal of the Sony in low light as I can and do shoot at any ISO up to and including 25,600 so the Fuji files would need pushing post capture. I do wonder why the Fuji stick at 6400 when even my GX7 goes to 25,600 and the pictures are useable depending upon the scene and how much noise reduction I want to apply. It would be interesting to shoot an A7 and a Fuji side by side and see what the Fuji files look like when pushed to match, there may not be too great a real world difference.

Anyway, as I said, the relatively low upper ISO limit may not be a deal breaker. I'm just thinking about replacing MFT as I can't see Panasonic adding the options I want... auto ISO in manual exposure mode and constant preview.

Thanks for all the info. :D
 
For comparison of high ISO, I'd also recommend the DP Review studio comparison. Click the lightbulb icon for real low light and select size as "print".

Fuji overstate their ISO by about 1/3rd stop compared to Canon/Nikon/Sony. I found the high ISO of the Sony a7 slightly better than that of the Fuji. The Fuji cameras are much nicer to use than the Sony a7 though, in my opinion :)
 
woof woof said:
If 6400 is like Sony 4000 I really can't see how the XT1 is the equal of the Sony in low light as I can and do shoot at any ISO up to and including 25,600 so the Fuji files would need pushing post capture. I do wonder why the Fuji stick at 6400 when even my GX7 goes to 25,600 and the pictures are useable depending upon the scene and how much noise reduction I want to apply. It would be interesting to shoot an A7 and a Fuji side by side and see what the Fuji files look like when pushed to match, there may not be too great a real world difference.

Anyway, as I said, the relatively low upper ISO limit may not be a deal breaker. I'm just thinking about replacing MFT as I can't see Panasonic adding the options I want... auto ISO in manual exposure mode and constant preview.

Thanks for all the info. :D
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Well thats just it, its not equal and the 6400 ISO limit is a real pita if youre used to going up to say 25,600 when required. Its not just the pushing post capture either and file degradation its also the problem of achieving a decent exposure of say something moving. You wont fix a blurry pic in post. I think youll find and Ive checked that when you apply an equiv amount of noise reduction to a decent M43 file that the Fuji applies by default in camera to its RAWs the noise level is quite similar at the same exposure.

This wont bother some in the slightest because the Fuji shot SOOC is processed quite tastefully and it may mean less time in post, but if you want a raw RAW then it may be time to look elsewhere. Im quite surprised you havent looked at the A6000 as an add on body as you have Sony kit already?
 
manualfocus-g said:
For comparison of high ISO, I'd also recommend the DP Review studio comparison. Click the lightbulb icon for real low light and select size as "print".

Fuji overstate their ISO by about 1/3rd stop compared to Canon/Nikon/Sony. I found the high ISO of the Sony a7 slightly better than that of the Fuji. The Fuji cameras are much nicer to use than the Sony a7 though, in my opinion :)
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Lightbulb icon? I've never noticed that but I'll take a look.
 
twist said:
Well thats just it, its not equal and the 6400 ISO limit is a real pita if youre used to going up to say 25,600 when required. Its not just the pushing post capture either and file degradation its also the problem of achieving a decent exposure of say something moving. You wont fix a blurry pic in post. I think youll find and Ive checked that when you apply an equiv amount of noise reduction to a decent M43 file that the Fuji applies by default in camera to its RAWs the noise level is quite similar at the same exposure.

This wont bother some in the slightest because the Fuji shot SOOC is processed quite tastefully and it may mean less time in post, but if you want a raw RAW then it may be time to look elsewhere. Im quite surprised you havent looked at the A6000 as an add on body as you have Sony kit already?
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The A6000 is on the quite short list. Yes, I do have a Sony A7 but compatibility isn't essential.

TBH I would quite happily stay with MFT but the Sony has really showed me how nice auto ISO in all modes and constant preview both are. They really are functions that I now wonder how I ever lived without :D and Panasonic don't show any intention of adding these lovely features.
 
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woof woof said:
The A6000 is on the quite short list. Yes, I do have a Sony A7 but compatibility isn't essential.

TBH I would quite happily stay with MFT but the Sony has really showed me how nice auto ISO in all modes and constant preview both are. They really are functions that I now wonder how I ever lived without :D and Panasonic don't show any intention of adding these lovely features.
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Wonder if this will have what you need... looks nice.

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/panasonic-announces-the-new-g7-4k-camera
 
twist said:
Wonder if this will have what you need... looks nice.

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/panasonic-announces-the-new-g7-4k-camera
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I doubt it very much. There's no mention of these features in what I've read so far but to be honest they're not even covered in some full reviews. Time will tell but I doubt Panasonic have seen the light.

EDIT...Just read the spec on Panasonic's website and they're stating that the G7 has auto ISO in manual exposure mode. Can't see any mention of constant preview.
 
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As much as I like the Fuji XT-1 I would probably go for a Sony A6000 if I was in your position. :)
 
Maybe but I am attracted by the whole shutter speed dial and aperture ring thing :D
 
woof woof said:
I doubt it very much. There's no mention of these features in what I've read so far but to be honest they're not even covered in some full reviews. Time will tell but I doubt Panasonic have seen the light.

EDIT...Just read the spec on Panasonic's website and they're stating that the G7 has auto ISO in manual exposure mode. Can't see any mention of constant preview.
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Never know then ;)
 
Staying with MFT would make more sense as it gives a few more options... A7 for ultimate quality and MFT for a more compact and cheaper system for when I'm in more hazardous areas like the beach, the hills or in even wilder places like the streets of Middlesbrough :D An APS-C system is more piggy in the middle for me but the reason I'm considering it is because it could potentially replace both MFT and FF.

All food for thought.
 
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