The demise of the high street But why

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Well lets consider some possible reasons why - I will start off with.

1, The rise of the Private Parking Companies - why?

Well I remember when you could park you car at a big retail outlet and Browse! On some retail parks there are 30, 40 or more shops including stores with a coffee shop - shopping was something to do - Now there are 90 min or 2 hr limits on massive 1000 / 2000 space car parks - this makes shopping no longer a past time but a chore to get done! no time to browse and relax and spend, worried your gonna get a 90 quid penalty.

May well be why the Trafford Centre is chocca most days - FREE PARKING all day!


Yes I know there is a flip side to this....parking abuse But the restrictions on parking imho are fixed in the mind of shoppers and they leave before they have bought those extras that mean all the difference to the stores....

Can you think of any others?


Comet has been around all of my life - I will be sorry to see it go
 
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The Smartphone killing impulse buys

That looks nice, pulls out phone, it's £20 cheaper at XXXXX I'll order it when I get home
 
I think you are talking about different things here. You talk about the demise of the high street, but your references are to out of town shopping centres.

I cant remember seeing a comet in a high street they have all been on retail parks.

Regardless of any parking restrictions at retail parks it is them that are killing off town centre shopping.

I do support all of our local shops, mind you we only have three a newsagent, a butchers and a grocers/post office.
 
I find that retail parks are normally soul-less places where the idea of spending even 90 minutes fills me with horror.

They are definitely killing town centres and I would prefer to see tighter planning controls on out of town development generally.
 
hardly a new problem.. and not one you can pin down to one thing...my missus goes to asda for the weekly shop.. she also comes back with a top from the george outlet or somehting for th kitchen.. or maybe a dvd... she can get just about everyhting in asda instead of trapsing round town in the cold and rain..

my eldest daughter is mid 20s and like most women shes always buying clothes... but she buys them all on line (sick of postman waking me up!)

lots of rasons.. nothing that can syop it.. inevitable.. sad but true...
 
2 things for me. Greedy councils run by inept individuals see the motorist as an easy target so charge rip off parking fees, sending people to out of town centres, supermarkets and online. The likes of tesco who sell everything are a godsend for many busy people like me. I would love to target high st shops but just don't have the time.
 
OK. We've had:

  • Parking costs/restrictions
  • Out of town retail centres
  • Internet

Now, as someone who studied transport economics as part of my final year paper about transport systems design for my degree in architecture, along with a fair bit of town planning theory, it seems fairly obvious.

First question to ask is why do high street shops exist in the first place?

Simple answer: to provide goods and services for their local populations, and to turn a profit for business owners.

In the past (talking back to the beginnings of urban civilisations with people not having to grow their own food circa 3000 BC) you were generally pretty limited in your options for transport. You went on foot, or if you were better off, you rode a horse. This limited the choices of where you could obtain goods and services to a fairly small geographical area. It might be that you could purchase silk from China or tobacco from the Americas, but most people bought things from local merchants who had access to them.

The industrial revolution brought faster, public transport to countries like the UK. That allowed people to journey farther for their shopping. We saw the creation of large department stores in major cities as they were able to draw upon a geographically larger clientele - if you were well off, it might be worth travelling by train from Guildford up to Selfridges in London for special purchases. Nevertheless, you're not going to be making a journey like that for your meat and potatoes; you'll still go to your local shops.

Now, here's where the transport economics bit comes in. Public transport works best when you have distinct hierarchies of routes, each with their own level of costs of building and maintaining their infrastructure: e.g. foot < bus < train. Each mode of transport feeds the next level up and the net result is that it tends to funnel journeys and people into local and then city centres.

For the person making the journey, each mode of transport up the hierarchy is relatively more expensive to use. Consequently, you're more likely to spend more money and time travelling to make an occasional large purchase (such as furniture) than frequent daily ones (like bread). This pretty well accounts for the retail structure of nineteenth century cities, from the local corner shop up to department stores like Whiteleys of Bayswater and Harrods. High Streets stood squarely in the middle of all of that and serviced a wide range of requirements, indeed probably the majority of them.

Motorised transport, especially the family or personal car, blows that entire model apart. Relative to using public transport, the car allows you to go most anywhere very easily for very little extra cost. Starting from a low base compared with public transport options, the marginal time and cost savings of going one mile into town in your car (especially if you're going to have to hunt for a parking space) compared with going fifteen or twenty are small, while the fixed costs of car ownership encourage its increased use to spread those costs over as many journeys as possible.

For most people, the costs of using public transport are entirely marginal (i.e. you make additional payment for each journey you use it for).

Moreover, having everyone converge on town centres in cars causes traffic congestion and significant competition for parking space both between individual motorists looking for a parking space and between parking in general and other uses of land.

Increased congestion and land costs in town centres also make it difficult and expensive to distribute goods to shops there.

The first generations of shopping centres (Arndales, etc.) were all city-centre based, but began to suffer as the proportion of their visitors using public transport fell in comparison to those using (or wishing to use) their cars.

I should note that complaints about local councils or private parking companies ripping off motorists ignore the fact that, ultimately, it is necessary to ration parking space useage by one mechanism or another, especially in town and city centres.

Essentially, this is what as led to the the growth of out-of-town supermarkets and retail parks over the last thirty years or so. Placing them on the outskirts of towns, near to major roads, allows many people to access them easily. It also reduces distribution costs for larger retailers: large deliveries to one big store with one large lorry rather than many deliveries to many small stores with small lorries (N.B. the ultimate distribution costs for goods to end users homes are shifted to the consumers themselves by use of their own cars). Places like the Trafford Centre in Manchester can attract people from up to 50 miles away for 95% of their custom. Meantime, places like Trafford or Bluewater can offer a huge variety of shops with which to tempt the public.

Consequently, the economics of the situation make it difficult for high streets to compete for anything but low value items, for which it is not worth travelling far (with commensurately low profits) or perhaps specialist goods and services for which it is worth travelling some distance.

The commercialisation of the internet in the last 15 years or so has only exacerbated the problem, placing local retailers (especially those remaining specialists in the high street) into competition with the entirety of the rest of the global economy, where taxes and other operating costs may be much lower.

Most UK high street retailers don't have the option of shifting their corporation tax obligations offshore, while Amazon have mechanisms for trading within the UK without exposing themselves to the full costs of its tax regime. A local photography shop (and even Amazon UK) will find it extremely hard to compete against a retailer in Hong Kong with lower base operating costs, a slim-to-zero chance that the end user will pay any VAT and Duty due on their goods and the possibility that they can deliver within a couple of days of order.

Again, it is lowered transport costs, this time of goods on a global scale, which have made this possible.

If you're looking for a culprit for the death of the high street, ultimately, it is that the continual reduction in the costs of transporting ourselves and the things we want to buy over the last fifty years or so has made it cheaper (or at least no more expensive or less convenient) to buy elsewhere.
 
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Demise of the High Street - Chains, highly leveraged brands stretching beyond their means.

Does it really matter where you shop? whether its the high st or the malls, its the same stores/ brands down to the last detail. I could probably confuse trafford centre for blue water or any other high street.
 
It's the parking charges and worrying about prowling traffic wardens that are the worst thing.
Even if it's less than a pound it's still a dis-incentive to even consider shopping in many town centres - so short sighted and very unwelcoming.

I wonder what foreign visitors make of what seems to be a rabid determination to keep you moving and not actually stop and visit anywhere.
 
OK. We've had:

  • Parking costs/restrictions
  • Out of town retail centres
  • Internet

Now, as someone who studied transport economics as part of my final year paper about transport systems design for my degree in architecture, along with a fair bit of town planning theory, it seems fairly obvious.

First question to ask is why do high street shops exist in the first place?
Superb response, (took out most of the quote to save space)
 
I also think that parking charges are one of the biggest reasons for the demise of the High Street, and may also be hurting the tourism industry. It is difficult enough to do your shopping in your local High St, when you have to worry about parking - space and availability, but look at a place like Brighton, where the Green Party has hiked parking charges to such an extent, that people are staying away from this major town.
You then have the huge superstores, which provide for your every need - possibly? Yes, they do have a tremendous selection at low prices, but it is rarely the "best" produce, it is all aimed at those who wish to save as much money as possible, and in today's climate that is most of us. The fact is though, that they are not always the cheapest, people simply think that they are because of the packaging and "BOGOF's". For fruit and veg, our local market cannot be beaten on quality or price, and our local High St also has greengrocers who are competitive.
The businesses who are really suffering at the moment, are those selling all manner of electrical goods, "geeky gadgets", all of which can be purchased cheaper on the net. However, buying online has its own problems - no chance to try before you buy, no personal contact with staff, very difficult to return faulty goods.
The High Street can survive, but it needs to concentrate on the things which it is good at - butcher, baker, greengrocer, fishmonger, shoe repairing, tailors (and repairs/alterations), various cafes, discount stores such as Poundland (yes, they are needed), post office, pharmacy, opticians, solicitors, dentists, doctors, beauticians, barbers, hair salons.
For all of this to work, the local authorities must play their part, by lowering business rates, and making the shops more accessible - improving parking, pedestrian only areas.
By adopting a positive rather than negative attitude the High Street can survive.
 
It's the parking charges and worrying about prowling traffic wardens that are the worst thing.
Even if it's less than a pound it's still a dis-incentive to even consider shopping in many town centres - so short sighted and very unwelcoming.

I wonder what foreign visitors make of what seems to be a rabid determination to keep you moving and not actually stop and visit anywhere.

I totally agree with the last bit, but would point out, that you still have to pay for parking abroad, unless you visit the large commercial centres where there is free parking. Foreign town centres seem so much more appealing, because the standard of "artisan" goods is much higher, yet priced more keenly, and there seems to be more effort directed at preserving historic buildings and keeping cobbled streets.
 
I don't understand peoples complaints about parking charges in Town centres

How do you think it would work if all Town parking was free, well for a start you would never find a space as it would all be filled up well before 9:00 in the morning by all the staff who work in town who would park all day for free

By far and away the biggest problem is the internet, i must admit to browsing goods in shops (especially electrical goods) and then go home and find it cheaper online
 
for a start you would never find a space as it would all be filled up well before 9:00 in the morning by all the staff who work in town who would park all day for free

I agree but the problem is that there is generally insufficient parking and in most places insufficient time allowed. I often find 30 mins or 1 hour maximum parking allowed and being that I'm not in training for the next Olympics I find it a bit pointless and just move on.
 
I agree but the problem is that there is generally insufficient parking and in most places insufficient time allowed. I often find 30 mins or 1 hour maximum parking allowed and being that I'm not in training for the next Olympics I find it a bit pointless and just move on.

Funnily enough, in Sheffield we have recently (in the last few years) had 2 new multi-storey carparks built in the city centre, not sure what sort of time limits are applied though as i work very close to the city centre and we have a free works carpark, so i always park there and walk a short distance into the centre ;)
 
I'm guilty of buying most of my stuff online but what really gets me about going into my town centre is a minimum parking charge of £1 for 30 mins.

OK, it's only £1 but if you literally need to pop to one shop for one thing and it takes 5 mins............

The council also use one of those "camera cars" to issue tickets so a little trip to the shops can become very very expensive.

I know the age old argument is the same as speed cameras... "If you're not doing anything wrong you won't get fined" but at least with a Policeman/Traffic warden they may make a little allowance for a few minutes rather than it being so black/white.
 
Of course, you don't pay *any* parking charges, however long you stay, if you take the bus into town... ;)

Back to something I mentioned in my earlier post: as I live in (suburban) London and I've already paid for my Oyster card for my weekday commute into the city centre, the marginal financial cost of using public transport at the weekend is zero for me, which helps make it a viable alternative to taking the car.

This may not apply in other parts of the country.
 
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Our local council has revised it's car parking prices recently, and it's now free on Saturday after 1pm, so we'll see if that makes a difference .

The death of the high street is just the forerunner to the death of the retail park, and comet is not the first and won't be the last. Argos is changing it's business's model to an order online and collect system, I can see many many more going this way.

It so easy to sit at home order online and wait for the delivery, I'm sure we all know people who get tesco and the rest to deliver their food, as free time is worth more than the £5 it cost for delivery, plus it stops some of the impulse buys we tend to do while walking round shops.
 
Of course, you don't pay *any* parking charges, however long you stay, if you take the bus into town... ;)

for us a bus into town is 2 adults 3 kids(one is toddler so no fare but the added hassle of a buggy) = £9.20, taxi same journey = £5.00, we hardly ever stay over 2hrs so parking is £2.50 which makes bus the absolute most hassle and most expensive option.

most of the time though I go in on my own so its on the motorbike which is free parking.
 
RENTS

i owned a hardware shop in Crawley,West Sussex for 14 years from 1988 to 2001.the Local council was my landlord.during that time my rent went up by 350%.the Business rates were calculated as a % of the rent,collected by the local council on behalf of the government and this went up in line with the rent increases.I had a good business with annual increases in turnover and high gross profit margins,i competed on price with 'Texas' ,'B+Q' and 'Homebase' as well as other indipendant hardware stores but i just could not keep up with the demands of my Lease which included upwards only rent increases every 5 years which meant that my rent would double every 5 years.during my 14 years i watched all the greengrocers,all the butchers,and all but 1 of the hardware shops close down and in their place take-away's and charity shops.you would think that a local authority would want to retain indipendant shops that the community wants but NO,its all about squeezing the largest amount possible from the tenancy.
anyone living in Crawley during the 1970's to late 1990's will vouch that the community shopping parades just died.they have the local councils greed to blame for this.
 
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To me the answer is simple. High street is going the way of the dodo because people can't afford to shop in the typical high street shops because most keep prices high to cover high overheads and prices keep going up so most will shop online because its cheaper faster less hassle. Simple.
 
To me the answer is simple. High street is going the way of the dodo because people can't afford to shop in the typical high street shops because most keep prices high to cover high overheads and prices keep going up so most will shop online because its cheaper faster less hassle. Simple.

:agree:
 
Of course, you don't pay *any* parking charges, however long you stay, if you take the bus into town... ;)

Back to something I mentioned in my earlier post: as I live in (suburban) London and I've already paid for my Oyster card for my weekday commute into the city centre, the marginal financial cost of using public transport at the weekend is zero for me, which helps make it a viable alternative to taking the car.

This may not apply in other parts of the country.

if only other cities had the same transport Links as London, then it maybe viable to leave the car at home, i know if i lived down there i wouldn't even own a car, however i don't, i live in a village just outside of Leeds in order to do any shopping i need to take the car, but i do mainly shop at The White Rose, which has free parking ;););)
 
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OK. We've had:


[*]Parking costs/restrictions
[*]Out of town retail centres
[*]Internet


Now, as someone who studied transport economics as part of my final year paper about transport systems design for my degree in architecture, along with a fair bit of town planning theory, it seems fairly obvious.

.....etc, etc

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Lengthy response but I actually quite enjoyed reading it through! :clap:
 
Back to something I mentioned in my earlier post: as I live in (suburban) London and I've already paid for my Oyster card for my weekday commute into the city centre, the marginal financial cost of using public transport at the weekend is zero for me, which helps make it a viable alternative to taking the car.

This may not apply in other parts of the country.

Doesn't apply in Bristol, no Oysters here, nor any underground railway, nor buses with anything like the frequency that there are in London and the overground railways has a very limited number of stops. I visited a friend that lives in Brixton (top of Tulse Hill near the overground station, for those that know the area) a couple of weeks back. After getting off the underground at Brixton, the A23 was basically a traffic jam of buses, there were half a dozen or more fighting to pull up at the stop all the time. Even at 10pm when I left to head back to the underground station, a bus arrived within five minutes.

Compare that to where I live near Bristol, one bus into the city centre every half hour during the morning rush hour, dropping to one every hour in the day then dropping to one every two hours in the evening, plus an occasional one to the out of town shopping centre at Cribbs Causeway, and no train station nearby. Public transport in London vs provincial cities is night and day.

I use my car all the time, unless I need to drink a lot of alcohol while I'm out!
 
To me the answer is simple. High street is going the way of the dodo because people can't afford to shop in the typical high street shops because most keep prices high to cover high overheads and prices keep going up so most will shop online because its cheaper faster less hassle. Simple.

the awnserto the OP's question maybe simple but i also believe that resolving the problem of the high streets collapse is also simple.

lower rents,lower business rates and the stopping of parking charges.the benefits would be thriving shopping centres,town centres and parades once more where everyone benefits.landlord benefits by having full and guarunteed occupancy of shops.government benefits by having the same,with possibly an overall increase in business rates collected,the shopkeeper/business benefits by being able to be competetive,the local councils benefit by having a thriving shopping centre and the local communities benefits by once more having convenience on their doorstep
 
In the 90s, you used to go into a shop for information, there were monthly magazines with information, but may not answer the question you had, so you went to a shop and an informed sales person had all the information you wanted.

The sales person knew what they were on about, had pride in knowing.

Now we have the internet and forums. If someone has a question, where do they ask? If they want to know the specs of something, they pop over to the companies website. If they want to know how it works, they often download the manual from the internet and read it. They can find videos on youtube about the product, they can find reviews on various review sites or peoples blogs.

What is the highstreeet for? A physical feel and check before you go home and buy it off the internet.

The only time I have bought products from the highstreet and paid more for them is white goods. They were installed for free the next day, the old ones taken away and all at a time I chose with a quick call 5 min before they arrived.
 
Ever sine the Merry Hill shopping centre opened by us the Town Centre's of Dudley, Brierley Hill and Stourbridge have been in decline,Merry hill has always had free unlimited parking,the town's have always charged and then bleat on about nobody shopping there.
 
RENTS

i owned a hardware shop in Crawley,West Sussex for 14 years from 1988 to 2001.the Local council was my landlord.during that time my rent went up by 350%.the Business rates were calculated as a % of the rent,collected by the local council on behalf of the government and this went up in line with the rent increases.I had a good business with annual increases in turnover and high gross profit margins,i competed on price with 'Texas' ,'B+Q' and 'Homebase' as well as other indipendant hardware stores but i just could not keep up with the demands of my Lease which included upwards only rent increases every 5 years which meant that my rent would double every 5 years.during my 14 years i watched all the greengrocers,all the butchers,and all but 1 of the hardware shops close down and in their place take-away's and charity shops.you would think that a local authority would want to retain indipendant shops that the community wants but NO,its all about squeezing the largest amount possible from the tenancy.
anyone living in Crawley during the 1970's to late 1990's will vouch that the community shopping parades just died.they have the local councils greed to blame for this.

...and its still happening - we have a business in Camden, not on a main rd, but right next to a local shopping and market street. Camdens intense dislike of the privately owned motorised vehicle combined with their ever escalating rates for businesses has seen not only our own business suffer to breaking point, but the market is on its last legs and the shops change hands more times than a £20 note. There are a lot of people round here that have to use public transport, either out of choice because of the running costs of a car, or because they simply couldn't afford a car. Ergo, a lot of people shop locally, much more so than perhaps they would in the suburbs or other areas of the country. Yet still this is not enough to maintain the level of turnover those businesses need to counteract the overheads. Another issue here specifically is there is a large number of people living on the poverty line, either on benefits or in low paid jobs, so when they are out spending, they are looking for the low cost end. [I should also mention that this is London, and often the neighbours of these people are very comfortably off, if not well into the 'wealthy' bracket].
I generally only come over here once or twice a month, yet I can almost guarantee that on every visit, if I go for a walk, another shop will have closed - on a good month, something else will be in its place, but whether it is still there a month later....

Meanwhile, our own local high street, which is back to suburban London, and on the very northern perimeter has suffered like every other - so the council, in their wisdom, decided that the very useful feature of parking meters on the high street and surrounding roads/car parks and 15 min minimum slots should go, to be replaced with phone only parking. Guess what, shopper numbers have collapsed substantially in the year since this was introduced. So much so that they have now reduced the parking fees to try and balance things a little, but whether that will help anyone, especially those that either don't have or are uncomfortable with using their mobile to pay, remains to be seen. :shrug:
 
so the council, in their wisdom, decided that the very useful feature of parking meters on the high street and surrounding roads/car parks and 15 min minimum slots should go, to be replaced with phone only parking.

I have to agree, i would absolutely hate that, (even though i am of the technological generation) i still like the idea of being able to put real money into a real machine and receiving a real piece of paper out the bottom to stick in my car window

Also, there are still people out there who don't own mobile phones, neither of my parents will go near them :lol:
 
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Refrigerators and freezers. Before these were invented (or at least easily and cheaply available) people needed to shop for the every day items every other day or so - now people can shop once a week, so they jump in the car, go to a large supermarket and get everything in one go for a week/2 weeks/month etc.

Things move on - the first real "shop" (as opposed to personal bartering with other people) probably got a load of people's backs up.

I also will avoid anywhere I have to pay to park, purely on principle. It irks me that the local councils have been allowed to sell or lease off the car parks to private companies to make a quick buck, when the long term effect was pretty obvious. It irks me even more when they do it in hospitals, but that's not what we're discussing here.
 
I also will avoid anywhere I have to pay to park, purely on principle. It irks me that the local councils have been allowed to sell or lease off the car parks to private companies to make a quick buck, when the long term effect was pretty obvious.

Some councils run their own pay car parks. Ultimately you pay whatever, either through council tax or for other things the council collect money from.
 
for us a bus into town is 2 adults 3 kids(one is toddler so no fare but the added hassle of a buggy) = £9.20, taxi same journey = £5.00, we hardly ever stay over 2hrs so parking is £2.50 which makes bus the absolute most hassle and most expensive option.

most of the time though I go in on my own so its on the motorbike which is free parking.

It is the same for us down here in Kent. The four mile journey would cost £3 each way for the two of us. I very often end up walking (if the weather is dry), sometimes get the missus to walk there and back as well (but only if I kind of trick her into it:D).
 
Refrigerators and freezers. Before these were invented (or at least easily and cheaply available) people needed to shop for the every day items every other day or so - now people can shop once a week, so they jump in the car, go to a large supermarket and get everything in one go for a week/2 weeks/month etc.

not sure I agree there or probably we are blessed where we live with having a superb baker, butcher, grocer and wine shops, all independent and family ran for generations, are they more expensive than going supermarket? probably but well worth the extra quality and they are always busy so I am glad we don't have the bulk buy/weekly shop type attitude.. I would hate to see our locals go, especially the 4 mentioned.
 
not sure I agree there or probably we are blessed where we live with having a superb baker, butcher, grocer and wine shops, all independent and family ran for generations, are they more expensive than going supermarket? probably but well worth the extra quality and they are always busy so I am glad we don't have the bulk buy/weekly shop type attitude.. I would hate to see our locals go, especially the 4 mentioned.

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I would rather have less of a superior product (meat, vegetables, bread), than a shopping trolley filled with "2 for 1's", "value" or dodgy special offers.
We do not have a good bakery near where I live, so I bake my own. We don't do a "weekly shop", we buy fresh what we need, and make our own food from scratch with good ingredients.
Our local butcher has a stall at the market every Saturday, and he sells his sausages at £5 for 2 packs, the quality is way above anything from Waitrose or M & S and the price is the same. He also has a griddle going, so that you can try the various flavours before buying.
I just wish that our High Streets were more like French ones, with all manner of artisan shops - bakers, butchers and all the specialist delis.
 
OK. We've had:

If you're looking for a culprit for the death of the high street, ultimately, it is that the continual reduction in the costs of transporting ourselves and the things we want to buy over the last fifty years or so has made it cheaper (or at least no more expensive or less convenient) to buy elsewhere.

1 Litre of petrol in 1962 6.5p
1 Litre of petrol in 2012 135p+
I wouldn't call that a reduction in cost of transporting ourselves.
 
The council also use one of those "camera cars" to issue tickets so a little trip to the shops can become very very expensive.

I know the age old argument is the same as speed cameras... "If you're not doing anything wrong you won't get fined" but at least with a Policeman/Traffic warden they may make a little allowance for a few minutes rather than it being so black/white.

Tell me about it. A couple of weeks ago I pulled into a lay-by to go to a cashpoint. Took me less than a minute. The lay-by is a bus stop which in the 50 years I've lived in the town, always had a car parking space at both ends. I seldom use my local town now unless I nip into the bank or post office depot. Unbeknown to me the lay-by has become just a bus stop and no parking spaces. Guess who got a £110 fine sent through the post this week, reduced to £55 if I pay up early. As you say a policeman or Traffic Warden would have given me a couple of minutes grace or told me to park elsewhere. But chances of one of them at 9:30 in the evening is fairly remote. To be honest, I wasn't even aware the camera cars still operated that late at night.

Having said all that, parking in our town is something like 20p for an hour, only problem is I seldom have any change as I use my debit card to pay for just about everything, even if I do use cash the cost of whatever I buy will end in 99p so the liklehood of me having anything other than pennies in my pocket is fairly remote and the smallest denomination coin the machines take is 10p.
 
Well most of the reading hear blames nothing on the good old consumer - the forces beyond our control are what herd us away or too a place to spend our money.

And rightly so - I mean in this respect we are sheep like are we not - so note to anyone operating in a retail outlet with a car park run by a Private Parking Company - fleecing the car driver for 90 notes for overstaying for a minute - Your days are numbered, I for one will NOT be doing any of my shopping at these places any more! My best efforts will be employed to do as much shopping on line as I can.
 
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