The culture of photography

I don't know that any of us here exist in the groves of academe, photographically speaking. If we did, would we bother descending to a place like this?

Well it took a long time before Pookeyhead finally left us in peace, and I don't think he came here to do the rest of us good through sharing his knowledge and experience. Academics get lonely too.
 
Pookey was hardly an academic. He was some kind of jobbing photographer whose seemingly sole photographic subject interest was mermaids. He could handle his medium (MF film), get the exposure right, etc. And he had opinions that were contentious & fun. Where are you coming from here?
 
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Pookey was hardly an academic! Where are you coming from here?

Wasn't he an arts lecturer in a redbrick somewhere? The point is that people need community, and even difficult individuals will seek out a group to mingle with.
 
He taught in college in Blackpool, which as with many seaside resorts has become a deprived area economically & socially - so he was essentially if not nominally in social services. That was the context as I understood it.

But all that is an aside. My original thrust was to do with self-understanding about what we do. After all, if we we can't describe that, what the hell are we at?

You'd think it might be more crucial than what camera someone buys next week.

But I understand that easy answers are all that the consumer seeks ...
 
I don't know that any of us here exist in the groves of academe, photographically speaking. If we did, would we bother descending to a place like this? I rather think that we'd stay ensconced in our ivory towers, clinging to our salaries & prescribed senses of self-worth.

Gawd, you're erratically contentious! It's all about truth-telling & the biggest picture - that last not literally, obviously.

I think you'll find that that there are an awful lot of students taking photography courses at colleges and other institutions.

There are fewer academic staff.

The focus is on a mix of stuff and there are subcultures. But likely only a small proportion of students and academics likely look at internet forums that much.

The internet tends to live in an alternate reality where people make personal choices and are interested in the nuance of gear and the latest gear.

The real world is split into subcultures where the larger amounts of money flow from clients with budgets and involve teams working to their briefs - and the smaller amounts of money pay for weddings and newborns and pets. In between you have things like product shoots for catalogues which involve high throughput. Not so much money in street or landscape which tend to be more significant in terms of internet talk. And even at the lower levels you get professionals who don't do (and possibly don't know) much Photoshop because somebody else does it for them..
 
He taught in college in Blackpool, which as with many seaside resorts has become a deprived area economically & socially - so he was essentially if not nominally in social services. That was the context as I understood it.
He lived in Blackpool, but I don’t think he taught there, to the best of my knowledge the nearest Uni would be in Lancaster, which is far from deprived, a lovely city that’s home to 2 universities, one of which is quite prestigious (ok that’s only 50% of them).
 
He lived in Blackpool, but I don’t think he taught there, to the best of my knowledge the nearest Uni would be in Lancaster, which is far from deprived, a lovely city that’s home to 2 universities, one of which is quite prestigious (ok that’s only 50% of them).
The Pookster did teach in Blackpool. Blackpool and Fylde College https://www.blackpool.ac.uk/course/DA1HE010

Nearest Uni would be UCLAN based in Preston.
 
My original thrust was to do with self-understanding about what we do. After all, if we we can't describe that, what the hell are we at?

You'd think it might be more crucial than what camera someone buys next week.

But I understand that easy answers are all that the consumer seeks ...
Photography is a medium that, perhaps because of it's egalitarian nature, can be used for many diverse ends. As such everyone is 'at' something different. The only commonality is pointing a lens at something and making an exposure on a recording medium of some sort.
 
I liked Rayograms myself, but only he could make them of course. Whether they are photography is debatable because there's no projection of an image.
 
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Photography is a medium that, perhaps because of it's egalitarian nature, can be used for many diverse ends. As such everyone is 'at' something different. The only commonality is pointing a lens at something and making an exposure on a recording medium of some sort.
I was going to say something very similar to this. I don't think photography can be discussed without context. Shooting products for the Argos catalogue is very different to shooting wildlife. Of course shooting is just one part of it, the output is another aspect, producing images for a newspaper is a different activity from producing large fine-art prints.

Hence I don't feel that there is a single culture, the paparazzi have a culture, the hobbyist landscape 'togs have a different culture.
 
Hence I don't feel that there is a single culture ...
I agree entirely.

Photography, per se, is a technique. As with any tool, what it is used for depends on the user.
 
What is the point of photography?
That's one of those 'I wouldn't start from here' questions. You might as well ask 'What's the point of a paintbrush?'

If I could draw then I probably wouldn't use a camera at all.

It's all about truth-telling

It really isn't. As soon as you choose a point of view & composition you're suggesting an interpretation of the scene in front of you.
 
My original thrust was to do with self-understanding about what we do. After all, if we we can't describe that, what the hell are we at?
I get a little confused by photographers who jump from genre to genre: fungi one week, nudes the next, steam engines the next, waterfalls the next.

Isn't that putting the techniques - and the gear - before the subject?

I guess those people get most of their enjoyment from operating their cameras? There's nothing wrong with that. But for me a perfect camera would be one I didn't notice using, one that just magically did what's in my head.
 
I get a little confused by photographers who jump from genre to genre: fungi one week, nudes the next, steam engines the next, waterfalls the next.

Isn't that putting the techniques - and the gear - before the subject?

I guess those people get most of their enjoyment from operating their cameras? There's nothing wrong with that. But for me a perfect camera would be one I didn't notice using, one that just magically did what's in my head.
I have nearly always, just photographed what appeals to me. So on recent walk, I did photograph, a steam engine and a waterfall and some flowers. Isn't that what photography should be about?
The gear almost becomes irrelevant, as you shoot with what you have.
or does the fact I used a Canon IXUS devalue the pictures?
 
I have nearly always, just photographed what appeals to me. So on recent walk, I did photograph, a steam engine and a waterfall and some flowers. Isn't that what photography should be about?
'I' don't think it's what photography should be about - but it can be that to you. Some people photograph things that make them angry or evidence something to settle a bet even! Taking inspiration from Gary Winogrand, I often just photograph something just to see what it looks like photographed.
 
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or does the fact I used a Canon IXUS devalue the pictures?
According to some sorts of forum prognosticators, I suspect it might.

Doesn't stop me from using mine when it's the nearest camera to hand...

Men on breakwater at Sidmouth Ixus 70 IMG_4403.JPG
RAC van with front wheels removed Ixus 70 IMG_4402.JPG
Beetle on shed patio Ixus 70 IMG_4320.JPG
Bare trees clouds and blue sky Ixus 70 0606.jpg
 
I get a little confused by photographers who jump from genre to genre: fungi one week, nudes the next, steam engines the next, waterfalls the next.

Isn't that putting the techniques - and the gear - before the subject?
I think that's a peculiar way of looking at it.

By that reasoning, a person who used the same pencil to draw a flower, write a note or make a mark on a piece of wood to show where to cut it, would be putting the use of the pencil before the work in hand. As far as opinions go, it seems to make no sense. :thinking:
 
I think that's a peculiar way of looking at it.

By that reasoning, a person who used the same pencil to draw a flower, write a note or make a mark on a piece of wood to show where to cut it, would be putting the use of the pencil before the work in hand. As far as opinions go, it seems to make no sense. :thinking:
I'll probably get shot down for this haha, but I think there might be broadly two categories of photographer (excluding commercial) those who look to build/tell narratives about a subject matter and those that don't. I think this is where the idea of the photographer jumping from genre to genre comes from- the genre often just provide subject matter to point a camera at , test equipment, develop technique, etc.. for my sins I go to my local camera club and the guys are jumping from genre to genre to make photos for competitions - not sure they have real interest in the actual subject matter. I'm not saying either approach in invalid - one interests me more than the other though
 
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I get a little confused by photographers who jump from genre to genre: fungi one week, nudes the next, steam engines the next, waterfalls the next.

Isn't that putting the techniques - and the gear - before the subject?
They possibly see it as 'mastering their craft', in the belief that being able to photography anything any way is how to become a better photographer.
 
They possibly see it as 'mastering their craft', in the belief that being able to photography anything any way is how to become a better photographer.
I think it could just be about having fun, playing with the toys, challenging one's self.
 
I have nearly always, just photographed what appeals to me. So on recent walk, I did photograph, a steam engine and a waterfall and some flowers. Isn't that what photography should be about?
The gear almost becomes irrelevant, as you shoot with what you have.
or does the fact I used a Canon IXUS devalue the pictures?

Photographing what appeals to you as you encounter it makes perfect sense - and the tool is largely irrelevant.

I was thinking more of setting out to photograph things by genre in a kind of box-ticking exercise.
 
There are quite a few "points" to my photography. It earns me money to spend on kit and when that has all been bought it will hopefully form part of my retirement income. It keeps me active and lets me meet lots of new people and be in places I never dreamt I would ever get to(PItchside at Murrayfield or the pit of the Barrowlands etc) but most of all I love being out with the cameras and working out how to get good images in spite of the light etc.

I wish I had tried to make money out of something I love doing 40 years ago instead of being in a job I dislike.
 
I was just wondering if cult and culture have the same root? I assume they do
 
Eventually, yes.
 
I wish I had tried to make money out of something I love doing 40 years ago instead of being in a job I dislike.

It doesn't always work, unfortunately. I realised after a few weddings that making photography a profession sucked the enjoyment out. The need to deliver to clients, the organisation, the finance etc. Photographing gigs might well be different, but you have to run a business first, with what you actually do often being incidental.
 
Wikipedia: "Culture is a concept that encompasses the social behavior, institutions, and norms found in human societies, as well as the knowledge, beliefs, arts, laws, customs, capabilities, attitudes, and habits of the individuals in these groups."

 
It doesn't always work, unfortunately. I realised after a few weddings that making photography a profession sucked the enjoyment out. The need to deliver to clients, the organisation, the finance etc. Photographing gigs might well be different, but you have to run a business first, with what you actually do often being incidental.
I think that there are many valid answers to the question "why make photographs"?

Some do it simply for pleasure, some to augment their memory, some as part of their other work, some as their main work, some as a form of art. I'm sure that this is only a partial list and other reasons apply.
 
It doesn't always work, unfortunately. I realised after a few weddings that making photography a profession sucked the enjoyment out. The need to deliver to clients, the organisation, the finance etc. Photographing gigs might well be different, but you have to run a business first, with what you actually do often being incidental.
I was the same when I did weddings and portraits. Sport is much more a paid hobby than a business for me as it isn't my main income. I'm not sure I would feel the same if it was
 
For me? I guess searching for some kind of connection. Not in the social media sense, but more in the "When I'm dead and gone" sense.

I want people to find a shoebox full of my photos years from now. You know like when you see a photo of your great grandfather as a handsome young man? For a brief second while looking into their eyes you wonder what kind of life they led, who they were... There's a weird subconscious feeling that they're there with you for a second.

I want them to see what I saw, where I went and what I did with my life. I want people to look through them and say "Holy s**t this guy LIVED".
It inspires me to travel more, talk to more strangers, and do more with my life. I hope it will do the same for whoever finds them in the future.
 
I've long thought that this topic is rather lacking here. Is that really from lack of interest, or more that people tend to be inarticulate about it and don't have the language?

Related thread topics often don't get traction - the main thrust is obviously about buying & using gear. Are we culturally active, or just shoppers & technology users?

Stirring the pot. A shot in the dark.

What is the point of photography? Why the flimmock do we bother?
Surely it’s different for everyone. In terms of culture many folk in my world see it as a bit geeky, but then appreciate the pictures. I certainly don’t see a culture ‘within photographers’ but then I don’t attend clubs etc.

What is the point in photography? For most I assume it’s a way to capture or document a moment. That’s also true for me sometimes, but the majority of time it’s trying to master a new skill. I like to learn and master things, and as I don’t think you can ever truly master ‘art’ it’s something that keeps me going.
 
If I had an aim, it wouldn't be to impose my vision on anybody, but just to give them the chance of recognising mine.

How I recognise your vision (if indeed you have one) is of course personal, & that's a chance we take.

Given the nature of the medium (photography), I can only assume that its essential purpose is communication rather than self-gratification?

I think we should always ask ourselves what it is exactly that we're at.
 
Given the nature of the medium (photography), I can only assume that its essential purpose is communication rather than self-gratification?

I'd see it as being like cooking: you can feed yourself, and most people do, but a few may also be able to feed others. Photography's purpose is to record scenes, and that's all, but some may be able to share thise scenes with others to their benefit while most will not.
 
Photography's purpose is to record scenes, and that's all
That sounds oversimplified & a bit arid. Are you denying 'heart' in photographs - & its communicability, or that of any other forms of intelligence? Isn't the 'scene', at best, just a hinge?
 
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Given the nature of the medium (photography), I can only assume that its essential purpose is communication rather than self-gratification?
Basically, photography is a tool for recording images. How and why the recording is made, is a decision for the person who initiates the recording, who may not be the person holding the camera. The person who initiates the recording, may themselves have no say in how that recording is then used. It follows that the possible reasons for making a photograph are more numerous than just "communicating" or "self gratification", although those are both, I imagine, major reasons for creating a photograph.
 
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