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dejongj said:
Yet those people would be paid regardless whether someone broke the speed limit or not. From a cause and effect, the act of speeding isn't the cause here ;) have a guess what is ...
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depends who deals with it, if its a justice of the peace then they wouldn't have been in court if they didn't have cases, plus the people wouldn't have to use paper or any other type of consumables. Then you have the people that require legal aid, so yes it does cost the tax payer if you have to go to court
 
POAH said:
depends who deals with it, if its a justice of the peace then they wouldn't have been in court if they didn't have cases, plus the people wouldn't have to use paper or any other type of consumables. Then you have the people that require legal aid, so yes it does cost the tax payer if you have to go to court
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And if the law wasn't put in place then someone couldn't have broken it, and thus no need for the justice system etc.
 
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dejongj said:
You are correct, technically the minimum is 95, the recommended is 98
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Mine is similar minimum of 95 but needs minimum of 97 to get the 250PS as quoted in the brochures. But as I mentioned earlier most modern engines will run on a variety of octanes, the ecu will take care of everything. Aftermarket mapping preferably on a rolling road can be used to get more out of a specific grade.
 
Llamaman said:
Fat lot of good it did you :p ;)
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Actually it did.
On that charge, in Scotland, there was a good chance of a custodial sentence.
 
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People take this far to serious and don't see the dramatic expression and charicterisation for what it is. Shame, as somehow they think their own prejudices are any better. Fascinating behaviour.
 
nilagin said:
Exactly, particulate European emission levels for direct injection petrol and diesel engines have been the same at 0.005g/km. These levels have been enforced since 2011. but have been around in cars since 2007 It would take 42 million modern diesel engine vehicles to produce as much particulate as a power station in a day.
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Not just particulates with diesel, though.

It seems Euro 6 NO2 diesel emissions tests are hopelessly unrepresentative of real world performance

http://www.transportenvironment.org...he_car_industry_would_rather_not_tell_you.pdf
 
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dejongj said:
People take this far to serious and don't see the dramatic expression and charicterisation for what it is. Shame, as somehow they think their own prejudices are any better. Fascinating behaviour.
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Very very true.
There's a gang mentality to it.
 
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Mod hat on, its far too warm to be wearing hats so I'll make this brief,
far too many personal insults are starting to creep back into this and other threads.
Some posts have deleted, some posts have been edited.

Warnings will be handed out and people barred from the threads if this trend continues.
As your were, ( well most of you anyway) :thumbs:

And off

Byker28i said:
Backfires and flames a lot,
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Auditioning for Grease were you? :p
 
Musicman said:
Not just particulates with diesel, though.

It seems Euro 6 NO2 diesel emissions tests are hopelessly unrepresentative of real world performance

http://www.transportenvironment.org...he_car_industry_would_rather_not_tell_you.pdf
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All fuel consumption and emissions tests are unrepresentative of real world conditions regardless of whether it is a petrol or diesel powered vehicle. The only way for a manufacturer can supply figures to be compared to another manufacturer is if they are carried out under the same conditions, which is in a laboratory. There is no way the same can be duplicated by each manufacturer on the road, because the exact same conditions can't be duplicated every time.
If the nox emissions are so much higher than manufacturers are quoting for their euro 6 cars perhaps it is down to the use of a diesel powered car where a petrol engined car would be more suitable and the diesel euro 6 nox levels would be fine if the vehicles were used in the enviroment they were designed for. Whenever Euro 7 emissions come into effect, expect to see very few new diesel engine cars, because manufacturers are really going to struggle to meet those standards.
 
Mr Bump said:
lets face it diesel as an environmentally sustainable fuel is just not possible.
hopefully over the next umpteen years we will remove it from our towns and cities entirely
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That's because diesel engine cars weren't really ever intended for town and city use, under such conditions the egr valves etc. to reduce the harmful emissions, don't have an chance to work. It's only a case of people choosing the wrong engine for their needs
 
nilagin said:
That's because diesel engine cars weren't really ever intended for town and city use, under such conditions the egr valves etc. to reduce the harmful emissions, don't have an chance to work. It's only a case of people choosing the wrong engine for their needs
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I'm still amazed by how quickly the UK has gone from hating diesels to unnecessarily buying them for low mileage journeys. I find it very strange.
 
dejongj said:
I'm still amazed by how quickly the UK has gone from hating diesels to unnecessarily buying them for low mileage journeys. I find it very strange.
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How long have you lived in the UK?
Have you not realise that you can fool most of the people most of the time ;)
 
Diesels tax them to death, its them or childrens lungs !
 
Cobra said:
Auditioning for Grease were you? :p
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LOL,
reset the adaptives (I have full diagnostics via an app my android phone), took it for a run to get a quote for a full respray.
Seems better but still a little too backfiring, i.e. not provoked, so I've a leak somewhere, probably on the decat pipes, so thats next.
 
dejongj said:
I'm still amazed by how quickly the UK has gone from hating diesels to unnecessarily buying them for low mileage journeys. I find it very strange.
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Probably because modern turbo diesel engines produce so much torque and were faster at overtaking than the equivalent NA petrol engines. Now that more manufacturers are producing turbo petrol engines again which are quite efficient, the balance will swing back again. My Mondeo ST TDCi was around 1.2 secs slower than the NA ST220 at 0-60, but for overtaking acceleration, the ST220 couldn't touch it, even more so after a larger intercooler and a remap and it would still return 55-60mpg. ;) I'd probably still have it if I was doing the same journey to work, but it barely warmed up on my current journey to work on a cold morning so it had to go. I get around 32-33mpg out of my Focus ST and I'm spending less on fuel. If my journey was slightly longer I'd be getting 37-38mpg.
 
POAH said:
certainly not you and a few others given the previous replies to this thread
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I think you choose to misinterpret people there. Speaking for myself only naturally, by choosing not to go for a third child I was exactly "thinking about the children".

To me, not taking that personal responsibility and still going ahead with having children and hoping for others to cover the additional requirements is not thinking about the children and highly irresponsible.
 
POAH said:
certainly not you and a few others given the previous replies to this thread
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I don't mind thinking about them,....Doesn't cost me anything ;)
 
nilagin said:
Probably because modern turbo diesel engines produce so much torque and were faster at overtaking than the equivalent NA petrol engines. Now that more manufacturers are producing turbo petrol engines again which are quite efficient, the balance will swing back again. My Mondeo ST TDCi was around 1.2 secs slower than the NA ST220 at 0-60, but for overtaking acceleration, the ST220 couldn't touch it, even more so after a larger intercooler and a remap and it would still return 55-60mpg. ;) I'd probably still have it if I was doing the same journey to work, but it barely warmed up on my current journey to work on a cold morning so it had to go. I get around 32-33mpg out of my Focus ST and I'm spending less on fuel. If my journey was slightly longer I'd be getting 37-38mpg.
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Should have gotten a Golf R and got 40mpg :p

Sorry, sorry, sorry. I am weak, I couldn't resist :)
 
dejongj said:
Should have gotten a Golf R and got 40mpg :p

Sorry, sorry, sorry. I am weak, I couldn't resist :)
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I doubt I would, I lean on the pedal too much and as I said my journey to work is still short, a few more miles sees it get more economical. 32-33 is very respectable for 250PS, I can remember getting around 25mpg a 1.6 Capri. :)
 
nilagin said:
I doubt I would, I lean on the pedal too much and as I said my journey to work is still short, a few more miles sees it get more economical. 32-33 is very respectable for 250PS, I can remember getting around 25mpg a 1.6 Capri. :)
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Wasn't THIS Capri, by any chance, was it? :lol:
 
dejongj said:
I think you choose to misinterpret people there. Speaking for myself only naturally, by choosing not to go for a third child I was exactly "thinking about the children".

To me, not taking that personal responsibility and still going ahead with having children and hoping for others to cover the additional requirements is not thinking about the children and highly irresponsible.
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Agreed, we chose to stop at 2 kids, a third would have meant over stretching ourselves with a much larger mortgage to buy a bigger property and less money to take care of the kids, My sister in law however now has 5 kids, ranging from 16 down to 3 months old. Her husband is self employed, owning his own small gym and the only way they cope is because of government handouts for the kids and his mother bailing them out from time to time from her own business of caravan storage. Ok they can just about cope at the moment with some of the boys sharing the same bedroom, but as they get older they will need more room. Sister in law and her husband drive a beat up old Chrysler Grand Voyager, that they can barely afford to keep running, but need to ferry everyone around as a family. Poor kids don't get to experience much of a life as a consequence.
 
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