The budget

Mr Bump said:
I don't think existing cars on the road are affected but may be wrong, I believe the new bands will affect new vehicles fro 2017?
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You are right, it was specifically said during the budget it doesn't affect any car on the road, and will only be applied to new cars from a date in 2017.

With regards the budget, I'm not a Conservative supporter, but I broadly welcomed this budget, for once they didn't totally target the poor, the disabled and those at the very bottom, Osborne has slightly redressed the balance and (rightly) decided those earning £30-£50k pa should be getting less in benefits from the state.

Tax Credits (which many of those recipients earning a higher than average salary didn't even view as being on benefits) have really got out of control over the last decade and needed cutting. He should have gone further, the cut off for benefits should be around £25k-£30k.
 
twist said:
So do a lot of people including myself. What makes you extra special that you think you should be able claim for it and others cant?

Economical diesel, well there goes the saving you were trying to point out, more economical diesels cost more money, in order to make up the extra cost of the (newer more economical diesel) car the driver would need to have to do a shedload more miles. 50 miles extra per tank based on your 600 mile figure vs 550, thats about a gallon of fuel, a gallon is £5, so based on your advice the driver would save up to around £10 per month on fuel if they still used the stated 2 tanks of fuel. Excellent idea.
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My point was people who have put nothing in expecting to make a living out of having kids, without putting anything in. We managed on a single wage plus the small amount of child benefit, a lot of people now are on two wages plus child benefit and have a much higher income than I did.
My more economical diesel was 3 years old when I bought it and was 7yrs old when I part ex'd it a year ago. You could probably pick one up for £2.5k to £3k.
 
Blank_Canvas said:
Old diesels yes, new diesels no !
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Exactly, particulate European emission levels for direct injection petrol and diesel engines have been the same at 0.005g/km. These levels have been enforced since 2011. but have been around in cars since 2007 It would take 42 million modern diesel engine vehicles to produce as much particulate as a power station in a day.
 
Mr Bump said:
That's may be true but how much over the top of say the petrol equivalent did you pay for that economy?
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Petrol and diesel versions of my car cost exactly the same.
 
dejongj said:
My petrol car takes a minimum of RON98 :)
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Mine gets a minimum of 100RONm, assuming Shell V-Power is still 100RON, they don't seem to promote it's octane rating anymore. If only BP still sold their 102 RON on the high street.
 
nilagin said:
Mine gets a minimum of 100RONm, assuming Shell V-Power is still 100RON, they don't seem to promote it's octane rating anymore. If only BP still sold their 102 RON on the high street.
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Shell VPower is 98. I don't know of any high street retailer that sells a higher level. For 100RON you'll get into specialist race fuels.

The only alternative is Tesco Momentum at 99, but that is based upon additives and the actual RON can vary wildly. I've had a really bad fill up from there that my car really didn't like, yet other swear by it. I guess if you are in an area where it is busy on the momentum pump it could do its trick.
 
Its simple in this world, you cant afford it, for whatever reason, thick, bad circumstances, societies fault etc etc then you dont have it.

We are not all equal, nor should we be.

Everyone has s*** times in life, and IMO it is not the tax payer that should foot the bill. If you get a s*** wage then so be it you should not expect a top up.

Benefits and top ups have created a society, whereby the opinion is, its just not worth it having to work.
 
akr said:
A clever society allows the most intelligent and able to rise to their potential irrespective of background or upbringing. A society like the one you seemingly advocate keeps the status quote based in inequality. Great stuff.



London travel card zone 1-4 is £177 per month per person - very common in London and generally more expensive to move closer to work, lots of people move further out and have even higher costs.
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How, the society we have gives everyone an education. Clever capable people make the most of it, stupid incapable people don't.

Children of dentists, lawyers and doctors tend to do well not because their parents are wealthy but because they've inherited genes that make them clever and capable.

There is a huge difference in the human mind, some are clever, some just aren't.

It's not the chancellors fault.
 
dejongj said:
My petrol car takes a minimum of RON98 :)
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Cobra said:
That's certainly not for poor people :D

I often wonder if it really makes a difference TBH or just a marketing ploy.
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Yup, mines tuned for 97+, likes vPower at 99.
Currently it's got 104 octant race fuel in it as it needed some to get from garage to petrol station. Backfires and flames a lot, quite embarrassing...
 
ST4 said:
How, the society we have gives everyone an education. Clever capable people make the most of it, stupid incapable people don't.

Children of dentists, lawyers and doctors tend to do well not because their parents are wealthy but because they've inherited genes that make them clever and capable.

There is a huge difference in the human mind, some are clever, some just aren't.

It's not the chancellors fault.
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Out of curiosity, which group do you fall into? clever or stupid? Having read your previous drivel in this and other threads, I fancy I already know the answer and it is not clever.
 
akr said:
London travel card zone 1-4 is £177 per month per person - very common in London and generally more expensive to move closer to work, lots of people move further out and have even higher costs.
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about £10K for a annual ticket to london from here
 
ST4 said:
Children of dentists, lawyers and doctors tend to do well not because their parents are wealthy but because they've inherited genes that make them clever and capable.
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I'm going to disagree. The children do well because the parents take an interest in the child's education. On average it is the better educated / more successful parents that appear take more of an interest (this is based on my experience of being a child with other children at school). It is not always the case though - I did well, my dad worked in a factory and my Mum worked as a copy typist.. By the time I was 12 they couldn't help me with my homework in maths and sciences as I knew more than them, but they still made sure I did the work, went to school, maintained my grades, talked to my teachers etc etc.
 
Byker28i said:
about £10K for a annual ticket to london from here
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That doesn't surprise me.
I'd have to pay 3.5k annually for a rail season ticket to get me the 30 miles to work and back each day, with a travel time of 2hrs 20 minutes each way, and that doesn't even touch London.
And they wonder why folk don't use public transport.
 
viv1969 said:
That doesn't surprise me.
I'd have to pay 3.5k annually for a rail season ticket to get me the 30 miles to work and back each day, with a travel time of 2hrs 20 minutes each way, and that doesn't even touch London.
And they wonder why folk don't use public transport.
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I'm about £1300-£1500 for the same distance to work commuting by bike. Takes 25-30 mins and traffic doesn't hold me up :D
 
Byker28i said:
Currently it's got 104 octant race fuel in it as it needed some to get from garage to petrol station. Backfires and flames a lot, quite embarrassing...
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It shouldn't be doing that, my son did voluntary work for a race car builder, they used to pay him with race fuel in a 1.6 Focus (his mate used to put it in an old 1.3 Ka. The cars ran a lot better, but not once did it backfire or flame. Just how old is your TVR? Modern cars with ecu's will take care of timing issues and the higher the octane the better an engine will run due to less knock and allowing the ecu to put in more advanced spark.
 
Byker28i said:
I'm about £1300-£1500 for the same distance to work commuting by bike. Takes 25-30 mins and traffic doesn't hold me up :D
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Exactly. My fuel costs are still 2.8k but I don't pay a penny of it, and the drive is 40 minutes each way :-)
 
onomatopoeia said:
I'm going to disagree. The children do well because the parents take an interest in the child's education. On average it is the better educated / more successful parents that appear take more of an interest (this is based on my experience of being a child with other children at school). It is not always the case though - I did well, my dad worked in a factory and my Mum worked as a copy typist.. By the time I was 12 they couldn't help me with my homework in maths and sciences as I knew more than them, but they still made sure I did the work, went to school, maintained my grades, talked to my teachers etc etc.
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And that is in my opinion the reality of it. However allowing for some added dramatic expression that is exactly how I took ST4 post as well. And due to attraction and natural selection that will get perpetuated.

It's a choice parents have and individuals to break through it.
 
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ST4 said:
How, the society we have gives everyone an education. Clever capable people make the most of it, stupid incapable people don't.

Children of dentists, lawyers and doctors tend to do well not because their parents are wealthy but because they've inherited genes that make them clever and capable.

There is a huge difference in the human mind, some are clever, some just aren't.
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On that basis, are you related to Keith Joseph?
 
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nilagin said:
It shouldn't be doing that, my son did voluntary work for a race car builder, they used to pay him with race fuel in a 1.6 Focus (his mate used to put it in an old 1.3 Ka. The cars ran a lot better, but not once did it backfire or flame. Just how old is your TVR? Modern cars with ecu's will take care of timing issues and the higher the octane the better an engine will run due to less knock and allowing the ecu to put in more advanced spark.
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Mines specifically mapped to 98 octane. The later cars had an ecu with a second possibly mapping selectable from a button. Handy if you wanted to run 95 octane, such as abroad.
I'll be resetting the adaptives today after it's topped up with Vpower.
 
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ST4 said:
Children of dentists, lawyers and doctors tend to do well not because their parents are wealthy but because they've inherited genes that make them clever and capable.
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There's a lot more involved in educational performance than genetics. If you really think it's that simple, then you must be too.
 
onomatopoeia said:
I'm going to disagree. The children do well because the parents take an interest in the child's education. On average it is the better educated / more successful parents that appear take more of an interest (this is based on my experience of being a child with other children at school). It is not always the case though - I did well, my dad worked in a factory and my Mum worked as a copy typist.. By the time I was 12 they couldn't help me with my homework in maths and sciences as I knew more than them, but they still made sure I did the work, went to school, maintained my grades, talked to my teachers etc etc.
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Good point, but the trend is that it's the clever capable parents that will take an interest.

I did some volunteering at a local school to help kids who were struggling with their reading.

Even at the grand old age of 7 you could tell which ones were cleverer and could pick it up. Perhaps their parents didn't take enough of an interest but there was a good mind in there and they'd get on eventually.

There was others that just didn't have it and all the extra help wouldn't make a difference as they just didn't have the brain power.

Genes innit.
Llamaman said:
There's a lot more involved in educational performance than genetics. If you really think it's that simple, then you must be too.
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Pretty strong link.
 
viv1969 said:
That doesn't surprise me.
I'd have to pay 3.5k annually for a rail season ticket to get me the 30 miles to work and back each day, with a travel time of 2hrs 20 minutes each way, and that doesn't even touch London.
And they wonder why folk don't use public transport.
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As much as I love driving, that would really p me off, I'd have to find another job or move. My previous work location was just under 9 miles away and could be done in a comfortable 15 minutes between leaving home, parking the car walking across the road and clocking in. Going home I'd take a longer run at just over 13 miles and that would take 20 mins. When that place shut down, I was offered voluntary redundancy, only place offering similar work was around 30 miles away, about 40 mins travelling time, but the money was about 2/3 of my wages. I decided to stay with the company and take my chances with what ever job they could find me. Now I work around 7 miles each way from home and the money is slightly better at an extra 2.5%, I'll get another 2.5% when I can be bothered to fill in a log book and hand it in, must get around to it at some point, it's only been 18 months since I did the course.
 
ST4 said:
There was others that just didn't have it and all the extra help wouldn't make a difference as they just didn't have the brain power.
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Ah thats not true, everyone is a child genius and if they dont do well its the teacher's and system's fault, innit??? ;)
 
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Maybe they should tax bullsh!t.
They'd rake it in, then some of the members would know what it's like to be skint:)
Condescending tw@ts should pay even more.
 
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ST4 said:
Average. I'm not one of the greedy incapable who lusts after the tax proceeds of those better off than me to be spent on me.
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But you are happy to waste tax proceeds by breaking the speed limits.
 
Byker28i said:
Mines specifically mapped to 98 octane. The later cars had an ecu with a second possibly mapping selectable from a button. Handy if you wanted to run 95 octane, such as abroad.
I'll be resetting the adaptives today after it's topped up with Vpower.
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The engines we are developing at work have to be mapped for various fuels depending on the market it will be sold in. I'm currently working on the next level of Ford's 1.0 Ecoboost, and had to run it on 91, 95 and 98 RON so far, but likelihood of other fuels will be used too. But the one ECU will adjust itself automatically to those fuels. I hate having to run it on 91RON as mega knock will come from nowhere shutting the engine down and I have to restart it and put it back into test, not too bad if the test is automated, but it's infuriating when having to reset cams, fuel rail pressure, start of injection timing, spark, air/fuel mixture etc. every time, knowing full well it will shut down again at any moment, usually about half way through recording the data. Hopefully they won't put the engine on sale in Russia, don't fancy having to use their 88RON.
 
I know this is an oof discussion, but I can't believe some of the condescending and insulting crap being spouted by some.
 
POAH said:
if didn't speed you wouldn't have gone to court costing the law abiding tax payer money.
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Yet those people would be paid regardless whether someone broke the speed limit or not. From a cause and effect, the act of speeding isn't the cause here ;) have a guess what is ...
 
POAH said:
it's been remapped then? as all car in this country have to be able to run on 95 by law.
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You are correct, technically the minimum is 95, the recommended is 98. I notice and can measure the difference.

Bobsyeruncle said:
I know this is an oof discussion, but I can't believe some of the condescending and insulting crap being spouted by some.
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Well that is helpful, why not just contribute to the discussion instead of rubbishing everyone you don't agree with. No that would be useful and constructive to a debate.
 
Nikon_Nick said:
Can we please not make this another thread that goes on about ST4 speeding.

Incredibly bored.
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It was about the cost to the tax payer, relevant in the budget I would argue. Get with it :p
 
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