The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

[snerkler]

Which I guess is the next best thing imo

And, APSC mode on the A7Riii...... Two things please. Is the RAW actually still full sized? (like when shooting in 16:9) And, is there a symbol in the EVF/LCD to tell you that you are in crop mode?

No raw files are also reduced so using the APS-C mode on the A7RIII will give you an 18.6 megapixel image for both raw and jpeg. You get this icon on the monitor (depending on view mode) when using APS-C mode (note it doesn't say APS-C/Supre 35mm it's just the box with the dashes around it)

You get the normal size raw file, just at 18mb resolution not 42mb

it shows at the top of the screen either 42 or 18 depending on your mode

This is incorrect you don't get the normal size raw, it's an 18.6 megapixel raw rather than 42 megapixel raw

 

[the_accidental]

“It's probably just a poor translation”

Think you are right

I’ve not been able to get shutter sound with eshutter on A7R V but believe it’s an option on the A9 and A1

I don’t think it’s translation. I think it’s localisation specific.

Some countries cameras are not aloud to be silent so must make shutter noises.

 

[snerkler]

I don’t think it’s translation. I think it’s localisation specific.

Some countries cameras are not aloud to be silent so must make shutter noises.

Really, that's interesting. What's the reason behind that?

I've had a reply from Sony but it's a typical 'robot' replying from a script and not understanding the issue so I've responded back and am awaiting a response.

 

[nog]

I don’t think it’s translation. I think it’s localisation specific.

Some countries cameras are not aloud to be silent so must make shutter noises.

Yes but on the Sony A7R V it is silent with no option to make a shutter sound

Really, that's interesting. What's the reason behind that?

I've had a reply from Sony but it's a typical 'robot' replying from a script and not understanding the issue so I've responded back and am awaiting a response.

To try and stop upskirting, iPhones in Japan don’t have the option to switch shutter sound off, probably applies to other kit there

 

[snerkler]

Yes but on the Sony A7R V it is silent with no option to make a shutter sound

It begs the question that if some countries can have it why not make it available to all?

To try and stop upskirting,

Honestly I despair at the world sometimes. I've heard of this thing but I assumed it was very isolated and was not aware it was such a major problem that we're now having to put in measures to stop it

 

[ancient_mariner]

It begs the question that if some countries can have it why not make it available to all?


Honestly I despair at the world sometimes. I've heard of this thing but I assumed it was very isolated and was not aware it was such a major problem that we're now having to put in measures to stop it

Up skirting was a big deal in South Korea as well as Japan. As for why you can't have a noise, I suspect they think it defeats the objective of having electronic shutter.

 

[snerkler]

As for why you can't have a noise, I suspect they think it defeats the objective of having electronic shutter.

I don’t think so as you can have it in other cameras such as the A1

 

[nog]

Up skirting was a big deal in South Korea as well as Japan. As for why you can't have a noise, I suspect they think it defeats the objective of having electronic shutter.

Yet Nikon, with the Z8 at least, gives you the option of shutter sound with adjustable volume and it doesn't even have a mechanical shutter

 

[Bungieben]

From another post someone posted that they can't get a shutter sound when using the electronic shutter, however when you read the manual it reads (to me at least) that you should be able to turn the e-shutter sound on/off. I've just tried mine and despite turning silent off there's still no shutter sound in e-shutter, can anyone confirm this? I can't help but think it's a glitch, unless they've changed it since the manual was printed

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Is that the A1 if so you can have shutter sound when using electronic shutter

 

[LeeRatters]

No raw files are also reduced so using the APS-C mode on the A7RIII will give you an 18.6 megapixel image for both raw and jpeg. You get this icon on the monitor (depending on view mode) when using APS-C mode (note it doesn't say APS-C/Supre 35mm it's just the box with the dashes around it)
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This is incorrect you don't get the normal size raw, it's an 18.6 megapixel raw rather than 42 megapixel raw

Thanks everyone. I know when you select a 16:9 crop you actually get the full image. I wasn't sure on crop mode because I've never used it before. I'll have another look for the symbol - I set C4 for it, but couldn't remember seeing any symbol when switched on and off.

It didn't matter too much anyway for today, because I took the X100f in the end

 

[pmac]

The RX1r videos had a lot of talk about how nice the files are from the r bodies and this got me thinking. What do people think. Is the latest r sensor very good and are the files very nice? And also, if the r files were downsized to something near the 24 MP files at 6k or so on the longest edge would they be any better than files from my A7iii?

From everything I’ve seen the files are great on the RV.
Not tried the Sony but when I went from the d700 to d800 the files were great and even though the d700 was hailed as a great lowlight camera I found the d800 as good or better when downsized.
It may have had more noise but the extra detail and smaller noise pattern did make a difference.
To be honest that was the only thing I liked about the d800

I’m holding to see what the standard V is like then will decided on that or RV as my next camera

 

[snerkler]

From everything I’ve seen the files are great on the RV.
Not tried the Sony but when I went from the d700 to d800 the files were great and even though the d700 was hailed as a great lowlight camera I found the d800 as good or better when downsized.
It may have had more noise but the extra detail and smaller noise pattern did make a difference.
To be honest that was the only thing I liked about the d800

I’m holding to see what the standard V is like then will decided on that or RV as my next camera

I have the A7RV and it has the best image quality of any camera I’ve used, not only in detail but also colours and skin tones. That being said I’m still not a huge fan of Sony colour profiles so use Adobe and/or Color Fidelity ones.

Overall I still prefer the A1, image quality and colours are only a gnats behind the A7RV and it has much more going for it for my uses.

 

[woof woof]

From everything I’ve seen the files are great on the RV.
Not tried the Sony but when I went from the d700 to d800 the files were great and even though the d700 was hailed as a great lowlight camera I found the d800 as good or better when downsized.
It may have had more noise but the extra detail and smaller noise pattern did make a difference.
To be honest that was the only thing I liked about the d800

I’m holding to see what the standard V is like then will decided on that or RV as my next camera

Thanks.

I've been toying with the idea of getting an A7cII but as reviewers have been saying how nice the files are from the higher MP r cameras I wondered what those files would look like if saved as smaller files. How they'd get to be smaller is a question. I don't know if the A7rII has a raw mode to save smaller files or if it'd be better to take a high resolution file and downsize it after processing and I'm not sure if any of this would be a good idea if not or if it would increase rather than save processing time.

 

[woof woof]

I have the A7RV and it has the best image quality of any camera I’ve used, not only in detail but also colours and skin tones. That being said I’m still not a huge fan of Sony colour profiles so use Adobe and/or Color Fidelity ones.

Overall I still prefer the A1, image quality and colours are only a gnats behind the A7RV and it has much more going for it for my uses.

Do you save your files at full resolution? I do but of course I only have 24mp cameras which end up as jpegs 6k along the longest edge.

I just wondered if there'd be any reason to go for an A7crII rather than the lower res one if I reduced the file size either in camera or post capture as the r files do seem a bit big.

 

[snerkler]

The RX1r videos had a lot of talk about how nice the files are from the r bodies and this got me thinking. What do people think. Is the latest r sensor very good and are the files very nice? And also, if the r files were downsized to something near the 24 MP files at 6k or so on the longest edge would they be any better than files from my A7iii?

Do you save your files at full resolution? I do but of course I only have 24mp cameras which end up as jpegs 6k along the longest edge.

I just wondered if there'd be any reason to go for an A7crII rather than the lower res one if I reduced the file size either in camera or post capture as the r files do seem a bit big.

Yes I save at full res, I see no point in buying a hi res camera and then downsizing, if you're going to do this you'd be much better off saving yourself a load of money and storage space and getting a lower res camera.

I personally don't worry about storage space, I have all of my raws from day dot backed up twice on hard drives, external storage is pretty cheap these days. All of my edited files are also stored in full res JPEG, I also upload both Full Res JPEG and 'internet res' JPEG to Flickr. I've only just started uploading full res to Flickr over the past year and these ones are private, I only have the lower res ones open to public viewing.

Regarding the R files being downsized to 24mp I doubt very much whether they'd be any different to the A7III files, other than maybe better colour science. 24mp is 24mp, just because it's come from a 61mp file it can't show any more detail than 24mp

 

[woof woof]

I suppose there wouldn't be any real point other than saving storage space with smaller downsized jpegs whilst having a full resolution raw available for the shots I want to crop. It was just a thought. The point about better colour science is interesting though.

I have backup drives but tbh I'd much rather have instant access. I'll get a new laptop when I get around to it and hopefully get more in machine storage.

 

[snerkler]

I suppose there wouldn't be any real point other than saving storage space with smaller downsized jpegs whilst having a full resolution raw available for the shots I want to crop. It was just a thought. The point about better colour science is interesting though.

I have backup drives but tbh I'd much rather have instant access. I'll get a new laptop when I get around to it and hopefully get more in machine storage.

I have instant access to my jpegs, it’s the raws I don’t keep on the main hard drive for obvious reasons.

 

[the_accidental]

24mp is 24mp, just because it's come from a 61mp file it can't show any more detail than 24mp

That’s only correct if you ignore colour.

Because there’s a colour filter array (which may or may not be Bayer pattern) each pixel only samples one colour. If you down sample you get to sample each colour for each pixel, and this makes a difference. This is why many high end cameras do pixel shift, for colour resolution not spatial resolution.

 

[snerkler]

That’s only correct if you ignore colour.

Because there’s a colour filter array (which may or may not be Bayer pattern) each pixel only samples one colour. If you down sample you get to sample each colour for each pixel, and this makes a difference. This is why many high end cameras do pixel shift, for colour resolution not spatial resolution.

I don’t believe this is true. The original 61mp has more colour information but during the down sampling process the colour information is averaged out and so the down sampled 24mp image can show less colour detail than a 24mp sensor, however whether you can actually see it is a different matter.

I’m happy to be proven wrong but this is what my research brought up.

 

[the_accidental]

Depends how you downsample I guess, but if you’re starting with the raw or doing it in camera I’d expect colour improvements. It would be possible to do it badly/wrong. Even the naive averaging I’d expect to be better though.

I’ve actually done this in a camera system I part designed for an industrial application, and I have a patent that is loosely described as doing funny stuff with colour filter arrays. Now, of course I don’t know how it’s actually implemented in a Sony camera (or in Lightroom etc) so there may be little benefit there. I was using Sony sensors though (but different ones to the consumer cameras, and not Sony image signal processing chips)

The main reason to downsample is normally noise/low light performance ( was the primary reason I was doing it)

 

[Mr Perceptive]

The main reason to downsample is normally noise/low light performance ( was the primary reason I was doing it)

Or to subsequently process the image faster

 

[snerkler]

Depends how you downsample I guess, but if you’re starting with the raw or doing it in camera I’d expect colour improvements. It would be possible to do it badly/wrong. Even the naive averaging I’d expect to be better though.

I’m not aware of any software that doesn’t average out when downsampling, I’m not sure how else you’d do it.

With regards to the end result I’ve never tried or experimented myself I can only go with the info online

 

[the_accidental]

I’m not aware of any software that doesn’t average out when downsampling, I’m not sure how else you’d do it.

In this context demosaicing is the term to search for, you can do it differently if your target resolution isn’t the same as the pixel resolution.

You can also not demosaic as such, and rather subsample the colours to get each destination pixel.

The summary demosaicing on the wiki page for Bayer filters gives a reasonable flavour of how there are different ways you might do it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_filter

 

[wookie6262]

Used my 50-150mm F2 for the first time at the weekend. What a stunning lens it is and perfect with the 28-70 for Concert , indoor sport and event photography. I don't think I can justify keeping the Tamron 35-150 or the Sony 135mm so they will be off to ebay in the near future along with a gripped A1 as I will definitely get one of those now as earnings from the cameras justify the purchase. I'm hoping they add the feature of tagging both slots simultaneously. A complete pain having to upload all the jpegs so I can see what ones were tagged. I have to shoot jpeg for instant delivery on quite a few of my regular events so that will be a big plus. I'll likely end up with two as I always shoot two bodies and like them paired

 

[snerkler]

Used my 50-150mm F2 for the first time at the weekend. What a stunning lens it is and perfect with the 28-70 for Concert , indoor sport and event photography. I don't think I can justify keeping the Tamron 35-150 or the Sony 135mm so they will be off to ebay in the near future along with a gripped A1 as I will definitely get one of those now as earnings from the cameras justify the purchase. I'm hoping they add the feature of tagging both slots simultaneously. A complete pain having to upload all the jpegs so I can see what ones were tagged. I have to shoot jpeg for instant delivery on quite a few of my regular events so that will be a big plus. I'll likely end up with two as I always shoot two bodies and like them paired

What's the tagging you're referring to?

The 50-150mm does look a stellar lens, but then it needs to be given the price. I did wonder whether it would be worth looking into swapping my 70-200mm for it but I think I'd miss the reach, which is probably a good thing as I can't really afford to swap anyway

 

[wookie6262]

What's the tagging you're referring to?

The 50-150mm does look a stellar lens, but then it needs to be given the price. I did wonder whether it would be worth looking into swapping my 70-200mm for it but I think I'd miss the reach, which is probably a good thing as I can't really afford to swap anyway

When I send an image to a client I mark it. Some cameras call it protect/locked. Tagging is what I think most sports photographers call it as that is what you filter in Photomechanic to only upload those images. It is basically a way of culling as you go. On all the cameras I have used you direct that tag to one of the card slots. The A1 ii now does it on both slots, at last

 

[woof woof]

Not Sony but maybe interesting.

I'd never heard of this guy and I can't remember watching any of his vids before but this popped up and although street usually isn't my thing at all I think some of his pictures are just excellent. Enjoy.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEI5JpewAgU&t=3s

 

[snerkler]

@nog and others, I've heard back from Sony and they say that you should be able to have a shutter sound with the electronic shutter




They also linked me to this




I've gone back to them to ask if this is region specific and await their response. I've also told them that I've spoken to others and they cannot get shutter sound with the electronic shutter just in case it's a bug they're not aware of.

 

[wookie6262]

@nog and others, I've heard back from Sony and they say that you should be able to have a shutter sound with the electronic shutter

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They also linked me to this

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I've gone back to them to ask if this is region specific and await their response. I've also told them that I've spoken to others and they cannot get shutter sound with the electronic shutter just in case it's a bug they're not aware of.

Works fine, and as the manual details, on the A1 and A9iii and previously on A9, A9ii and A7R IV for me.

 

[snerkler]

Works fine, and as the manual details, on the A1 and A9iii and previously on A9, A9ii and A7R IV for me.

I know the A9's and A1's have always been able to have a shutter sound with the electronic shutter but it appears several people including myself can't get it to work on the A7RV, and also 'the internet' don't seem to be able to get the sound with the A7RV. However, if you can with the A7RIV it would suggest that it should be possible with the A7RV Is yours grey or a UK model?

 

[nog]

@nog and others, I've heard back from Sony and they say that you should be able to have a shutter sound with the electronic shutter

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They also linked me to this

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I've gone back to them to ask if this is region specific and await their response. I've also told them that I've spoken to others and they cannot get shutter sound with the electronic shutter just in case it's a bug they're not aware of.

Thanks for contacting Sony, surprised the a7R iv has shutter sound with the e shutter. Perhaps you might be onto something with the grey/uk thought.(My A7R V is grey)
Wonder if my Mrs would be happy with me getting an A1 2 in order to get that shutter sound. Think I know the answer to that unfortunately.

 

[wookie6262]

I've got used to shooting silently these days. I can't say I miss the sound and when sitting next to Canon and Nikon DSLRs users at Rugby and Football games it is a distraction. It does make me wonder when I hear them rattling away and I am not shooting what I am missing

 

[Mr Perceptive]

Just been sent an email from WEX offering £500 trade in bonus and 12 months interest free credit on an RX1Riii - surprised to see an offer this early into a product cycle.

 

[snerkler]

Thanks for contacting Sony, surprised the a7R iv has shutter sound with the e shutter. Perhaps you might be onto something with the grey/uk thought.(My A7R V is grey)
Wonder if my Mrs would be happy with me getting an A1 2 in order to get that shutter sound. Think I know the answer to that unfortunately.

Mine’s grey, I don’t know what Simon’s A7RIV is though. I think it’s totally justified getting an A1 Mark II just for the shutter sound

I've got used to shooting silently these days. I can't say I miss the sound and when sitting next to Canon and Nikon DSLRs users at Rugby and Football games it is a distraction. It does make me wonder when I hear them rattling away and I am not shooting what I am missing

I don’t like shutter sounds either, it’s just it was brought up on another thread and I checked mine and found the e-shutter sound doesn’t work. What I’ve also noticed is that even if you turn silent OFF it still shows the silent icon on the LCD display so I’m guessing it’s a software glitch.

 

[snerkler]

Just been sent an email from WEX offering £500 trade in bonus and 12 months interest free credit on an RX1Riii - surprised to see an offer this early into a product cycle.

Yeah I got the same offer but I think they’ll need to offer at least 50% off before I’m even remotely interested

 

[Sootchucker]

I've been considering selling one of my Nikon Z bodies (probably the Z6 III which I've hardly used since getting it new), and replacing it with an A1 II. The last time i checked on Panamoz and E-Infinity just about a month or so ago, they were around the £5.5k mark (still a healthy £800 saving over the £6,300 UK price), but I checked Panamoz today, and they have them in stock for only £4,960 - (over £1300 cheaper than UK)..........must resist...............

 

[woof woof]

Yeah I got the same offer but I think they’ll need to offer at least 50% off before I’m even remotely interested

Just been sent an email from WEX offering £500 trade in bonus and 12 months interest free credit on an RX1Riii - surprised to see an offer this early into a product cycle.

No email for me and I feel a bit miffed as I've bought a lot from them over the years.

 

[snerkler]

No email for me and I feel a bit miffed as I've bought a lot from them over the years.

I deleted it, I just assumed it was to anyone subscribed to the newsletter

 

[Mr Perceptive]

No email for me and I feel a bit miffed as I've bought a lot from them over the years.

Alan, I wouldn’t worry (they do seem to send targeted email promotions out), but now you know the deal, I’m sure you can ring up and negotiate if it’s something you want to do

 

[snerkler]

Anyone thinking of getting the Tamron 16-30mm f2.8? Looks very intriguing, only 440g which is lighter than the 16-35mm f4.