The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

 
trevorbray said:
Well. I’m prepared to not be so harsh. It’s not marketed as an action camera. That job is given to A9. Nowadays A9iii. If that can’t keep up with a running dog then that’d be very disappointing. More testing required on my R5. Only my 1st attempt with the 70-200.
Probably take the Olympus out later this week.
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Yep, you have to realise what a camera is designed for. I think it's unrealistic to expect every shot in focus in this scenario with a non-sports camera. If it's getting 75% or higher sharp I think that's OK. I wouldn't expect a sports camera to nail every single shot like this either, especially when shooting at such shallow DOF. I'd be happy with 90% hit rate. With every camera I've ever owned dogs running towards the camera has been by far the most difficult thing for it to deal with.
dcash29 said:
If I was Sony, I'd be so embarrassed that the Olympus can out perform.
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Why, ones more of a sports orientated camera vs a landscape/studio camera? Also Olympus are no second rate camera manufacturer, they have plenty of tech knowhow and have been innovative in the software side of things (y)
 
snerkler said:
Why, ones more of a sports orientated camera vs a landscape/studio camera? Also Olympus are no second rate camera manufacturer, they have plenty of tech knowhow and have been innovative in the software side of things (y)
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Even I can see they're different cameras for different uses.

It's like comparing my MX5 to my Evoque.
 
dcash29 said:
Regardless of what you purchase, there always seems to be an excuse that its the wrong camera or that the next model will be better. If I was Sony, I'd be so embarrassed that the Olympus can out perform.

Trevor, take a look at this link from 6.21 minutes
View: https://youtu.be/HtWVbDEtStA?feature=shared
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Thanks mate. I’ll change some settings and see how I get on. Very interesting video.
 
Sigma 500mm f5.6 officially announced, £2779.
Weight, and size compared to the 70-200mm GM II

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Has anyone used any of the Ricoh GR cameras, if so are they truly pocketable? I've recently been looking at them as a 'take everywhere' camera but would want it to be pocketable and looking on camerasize it's only slightly thinner than the RX100's and whilst I could fit this into my pocket I wouldn't say it was a comfortable fit.

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snerkler said:
Has anyone used any of the Ricoh GR cameras, if so are they truly pocketable? I've recently been looking at them as a 'take everywhere' camera but would want it to be pocketable and looking on camerasize it's only slightly thinner than the RX100's and whilst I could fit this into my pocket I wouldn't say it was a comfortable fit.

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Has the earth turned on its axis, a fixed focal length lens??? - just think of the missed opportunities :ROFLMAO:

In all seriousness, these are good cameras and well liked, but the lack of a viewfinder would do my head in
 
woof woof said:
The lack of a vf of any kind would rule it out for me.
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That's what's always put me off in the past but then I've thought you don't have that option with a phone and it's rare I'll have issues using that.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
Has the earth turned on its axis, a fixed focal length lens??? - just think of the missed opportunities :ROFLMAO:

In all seriousness, these are good cameras and well liked, but the lack of a viewfinder would do my head in
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It has 35mm and 50mm crops :lol:
 
snerkler said:
Yep, you have to realise what a camera is designed for. I think it's unrealistic to expect every shot in focus in this scenario with a non-sports camera. If it's getting 75% or higher sharp I think that's OK. I wouldn't expect a sports camera to nail every single shot like this either, especially when shooting at such shallow DOF. I'd be happy with 90% hit rate. With every camera I've ever owned dogs running towards the camera has been by far the most difficult thing for it to deal with.

Why, ones more of a sports orientated camera vs a landscape/studio camera? Also Olympus are no second rate camera manufacturer, they have plenty of tech knowhow and have been innovative in the software side of things (y)
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I'm classing Olympus /ON Systems on having one model variant, which is being used successfully for both wildlife and landscape shooting.
 
dcash29 said:
I'm classing Olympus /ON Systems on having one model variant, which is being used successfully for both wildlife and landscape shooting.
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You’re right of course. But it’s primarily a. sport/action/wildlife camera and marketing is aimed that way. Of course it’s still very capable of other genres.
 
dcash29 said:
I'm classing Olympus /ON Systems on having one model variant, which is being used successfully for both wildlife and landscape shooting.
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+1 on what Trev said. Most modern day cameras can be used “successfully” for all types of shooting, but many are better in one area than others.

The OM1 is more focussed on sports and wildlife, and is a high speed camera. Whilst it can of course be used for landscapes it’s not its forte.

Similarly the A7RV can shoot everything, and whilst it’s capable of shooting fast action it’s not its forte, landscape and studio are.
 
snerkler said:
That's what's always put me off in the past but then I've thought you don't have that option with a phone and it's rare I'll have issues using that.
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A phone has a very large and very nice screen. Sadly none of the current cameras have anything even close. I would be happy to lose evf with a good LCD. I much prefer it on these modern cameras, barely touched the evf at all. I'm allergic to them
 
trevorbray said:
You’re right of course. But it’s primarily a. sport/action/wildlife camera and marketing is aimed that way. Of course it’s still very capable of other genres.
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Very much so as seen in Alf's postings
snerkler said:
+1 on what Trev said. Most modern day cameras can be used “successfully” for all types of shooting, but many are better in one area than others.

The OM1 is more focussed on sports and wildlife, and is a high speed camera. Whilst it can of course be used for landscapes it’s not its forte.

Similarly the A7RV can shoot everything, and whilst it’s capable of shooting fast action it’s not its forte, landscape and studio are.
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OK so, Sony's answer to the OM System 2 £2199 is the A1 £5879 or now the A9iii £6099 and maybe the A6700 £1799.
 
dcash29 said:
Very much so as seen in Alf's postings

OK so, Sony's answer to the OM System 2 £2199 is the A1 £5879 or now the A9iii £6099 and maybe the A6700 £1799.
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Alf takes amazing photos, he's also been to some stunning locations. But taking the same photos on a high res full frame sensor will yield better results, just like shooting fast action on the OM1 yeilds better results (at least in terms of hit rate) than the A7RV.

There is no direct Sony equivalent to the OM1. The A6700 is probably closest but loses out in frame rate. The A1 and A9's have a sensor that has 4 times as much surface area therefore production costs are going to be greater, not just with the sensor but with other components such as IBIS etc so it's unrealistic to make a direct comparison.

I've always thought Sony bodies are overpriced though, the A1 should be £4000-4500 and the A9III around £3500 imo, although with the latter I don't know how much global shutters cost.

I don't get the view of sony should be "embarrassed", they make some very good cameras that are more than competitive, and they make class leading lenses. M4/3 is a different philosophy, there are undoubtedly many pros for the system. There seems to be a misconception that it's somehow not a serious system, but it quite clearly is. The bodies and lenses are every bit as good as the big manufacturers, the only difference is sensor size.
 
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I'm still not getting this lens, seems neither here nor there to me but surely Sony thiks there's a market for it so hopefully it does well.

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Sony FE 24-50mm f/2.8 G Review: A Solution in Search of a Problem

The idea is to have a more affordable and compact lens alternative to the expensive 24-70mm G-Master while still having a fast f/2.8 aperture.
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Redspider said:
Sony A7CR. Sony 70-350. Cheap double glazing. Cold dark raining outside. Warm inside. NO topaz. Hungry, wet Sparrowhawk. Only had to look to it's left
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How are you getting on with the A7CR? I'm tempted as an upgrade from my A7C.
 
snerkler said:
Alf takes amazing photos, he's also been to some stunning locations. But taking the same photos on a high res full frame sensor will yield better results, just like shooting fast action on the OM1 yeilds better results (at least in terms of hit rate) than the A7RV.

There is no direct Sony equivalent to the OM1. The A6700 is probably closest but loses out in frame rate. The A1 and A9's have a sensor that has 4 times as much surface area therefore production costs are going to be greater, not just with the sensor but with other components such as IBIS etc so it's unrealistic to make a direct comparison.

I've always thought Sony bodies are overpriced though, the A1 should be £4000-4500 and the A9III around £3500 imo, although with the latter I don't know how much global shutters cost.

I don't get the view of sony should be "embarrassed", they make some very good cameras that are more competitive, and they make class leading lenses. M4/3 is a different philosophy, there are undoubtedly many pros for the system. There seems to be a misconception that it's somehow not a serious system, but it quite clearly is. The bodies and lenses are every bit as good as the big manufacturers, the only difference is sensor size.
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I understand where you're coming from Toby, however I'm afraid it's my opinion rightly or wrongly and over the years I've got pretty sick of promotional/review crap.
 
dcash29 said:
I understand where you're coming from Toby, however I'm afraid it's my opinion rightly or wrongly and over the years I've got pretty sick of promotional/review crap.
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You are of course entitled to your opinion, I'm not trying to change it I'm just trying to give a balanced reason (y). I'm not sure what you mean by the promotional/review stuff?
 
snerkler said:
I'm still not getting this lens, seems neither here nor there to me but surely Sony thiks there's a market for it so hopefully it does well.

petapixel.com

Sony FE 24-50mm f/2.8 G Review: A Solution in Search of a Problem

The idea is to have a more affordable and compact lens alternative to the expensive 24-70mm G-Master while still having a fast f/2.8 aperture.
petapixel.com petapixel.com
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Depends on price and real life performance. It looks like a wider alternative to tamron 28-75mm.
Mtf is ok, maybe nothing too spectacular but also not offensive. It should be decent for video, maybe stills on a7iv, A9 resolution bodies. It depends if they do much image stretching to arrive to the final output. I hope they don't; the cheapskates canon are all over publishing parents with lenses that struggle to even cover 18mm sensor height
 
snerkler said:
You are of course entitled to your opinion, I'm not trying to change it I'm just trying to give a balanced reason (y). I'm not sure what you mean by the promotional/review stuff?
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I know where you are coming from. Re Promotional/reviews, always the best thing since sliced bread.
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Depends on price and real life performance. It looks like a wider alternative to tamron 28-75mm.
Mtf is ok, maybe nothing too spectacular but also not offensive. It should be decent for video, maybe stills on a7iv, A9 resolution bodies. It depends if they do much image stretching to arrive to the final output. I hope they don't; the cheapskates canon are all over publishing parents with lenses that struggle to even cover 18mm sensor height
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Apparently it shows signs of stretching in the corners due to distortion compensation.
 
dcash29 said:
I know where you are coming from. Re Promotional/reviews, always the best thing since sliced bread.
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Ahh right, I gave up reading/watching those kind of reivews a long time ago. I too was fed up of the latest model being the best thing out there and last months models suddenly being rubbish.
 
That's exactly what I mean. Typical review, stating focusing is built on an already proven system and has excellent hit rates with approaching objects. Anyway rant over.
 
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