The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

Used A9 still a viable upgrade in 2023? I'm starting to find my A7iii + 200-600mm slightly annoying in acquisition speed and focus speed between shots for fast moving birds and in flight etc. I'm not a rich man and my options for improvement in this area limited, so I have been thinking about an A9 which is obviously better for these tasks than the A7iii. Seem to go for around £1k , which isn't too bad but it feels a bit weird buying a 4yr old body even though the A9 with it's stacked sensor was way ahead of it's time and it's competition. Any thoughts?
I've got the A7 IV and briefly had the A9, only returned it as the seller had misdescribed it and have to say it beats the A7 IV hands down for AF tracking, I think you might still have some minor annoyances with the A7 IV, maybe, maybe not but the used A9's are so cheap now it's less of a gamble, you could get out of it again if you didn't get on with it without losing probably.
 
Used A9 still a viable upgrade in 2023? I'm starting to find my A7iii + 200-600mm slightly annoying in acquisition speed and focus speed between shots for fast moving birds and in flight etc. I'm not a rich man and my options for improvement in this area limited, so I have been thinking about an A9 which is obviously better for these tasks than the A7iii. Seem to go for around £1k , which isn't too bad but it feels a bit weird buying a 4yr old body even though the A9 with it's stacked sensor was way ahead of it's time and it's competition. Any thoughts?

Still love my A9 and with the 200-600mm it's superb. Not had any other Sony to compare it with but I find it hard to believe there is anything vastly better af wise. The 1.4x works really well with the combo also.

Despite my GAS I haven't found anything I want to swap it for (yet). :ROFLMAO:
 
Used A9 still a viable upgrade in 2023? I'm starting to find my A7iii + 200-600mm slightly annoying in acquisition speed and focus speed between shots for fast moving birds and in flight etc. I'm not a rich man and my options for improvement in this area limited, so I have been thinking about an A9 which is obviously better for these tasks than the A7iii. Seem to go for around £1k , which isn't too bad but it feels a bit weird buying a 4yr old body even though the A9 with it's stacked sensor was way ahead of it's time and it's competition. Any thoughts?
A9 is still absolutely a viable option, still beats many of the more recent cameras in terms of AF (y)
 
Used A9 still a viable upgrade in 2023? I'm starting to find my A7iii + 200-600mm slightly annoying in acquisition speed and focus speed between shots for fast moving birds and in flight etc. I'm not a rich man and my options for improvement in this area limited, so I have been thinking about an A9 which is obviously better for these tasks than the A7iii. Seem to go for around £1k , which isn't too bad but it feels a bit weird buying a 4yr old body even though the A9 with it's stacked sensor was way ahead of it's time and it's competition. Any thoughts?
Have a read here. Very interesting....
 
Have a read here. Very interesting....
To be fair most are very impressive, to get 90%+ tack sharp a few years ago would have been unbelievable, to get 95%+ should be good enough for anyone, and to get 100% useable is just mind boggling.
 
I am really pleased with my a7iv a good upgrade from my a7iii, af is a lot quicker on initial aqusition for bif , eye af is good for perched birds , dynamic range is a lot better than the a7iii , and the extra mp surprised me on how aggressive i can crop in. I ummd and ahrd for ages over an a9 or the a7iv had a few goes with both i am happy with my choice ,
 
Had my first visit to Croft Circuit this year yesterday for the first car meeting of the year. It was a good opportunity to put my A7 IV and recently acquired Samyang lenses through their paces. I was pretty happy with what I came away with, although I do feel I've more than a little refinement to do on my settings to dial the AF in properly for this sort of stuff.

Anyway a few photos....

#1 Roadsports runner
20230415-750MC-SRH01521 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#2 Club Enduro runner
20230415-750MC-SRH00964 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#3 Cockpit detail
20230415-750MC-SRH00918 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#4 Stormy race start
20230415-750MC-SRH01192 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#5 Day finished?
20230415-750MC-SRH00873 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#6 Waiting.....
20230415-750MC-SRH00787 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#7 Exiting the chicane
20230415-750MC-SRH01267 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#8 Entering the complex
20230415-750MC-SRH01022 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

Would certainly be interested to hear how others have their cameras set up for shooting fast moving things (I'm using an A7 IV).

Cheers,

Simon.
 
Had my first visit to Croft Circuit this year yesterday for the first car meeting of the year. It was a good opportunity to put my A7 IV and recently acquired Samyang lenses through their paces. I was pretty happy with what I came away with, although I do feel I've more than a little refinement to do on my settings to dial the AF in properly for this sort of stuff.

Anyway a few photos....

#1 Roadsports runner
20230415-750MC-SRH01521 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#2 Club Enduro runner
20230415-750MC-SRH00964 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#3 Cockpit detail
20230415-750MC-SRH00918 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#4 Stormy race start
20230415-750MC-SRH01192 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#5 Day finished?
20230415-750MC-SRH00873 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#6 Waiting.....
20230415-750MC-SRH00787 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#7 Exiting the chicane
20230415-750MC-SRH01267 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#8 Entering the complex
20230415-750MC-SRH01022 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

Would certainly be interested to hear how others have their cameras set up for shooting fast moving things (I'm using an A7 IV).

Cheers,

Simon.
Nicely done, the first one in particular. Looks crisp and good contrast, was this at a fence free spot?

In terms of AF I have it set to single spot AF-C with BBF. I don’t use tracking mode as the AF point moves around and I find a static AF point helps me with panning because if the AF point stays in the same place it means I’ve panned at the right speed (y).
 
Came up against my old nemesis today, flickering LEDs. The A1 does a pretty good job but I would still say half the frames have some black from the lighting. It is a massive advantage being able to shoot electronic too and the A9iis were horrible with the back screens flashing like crazy when sitting next to me. Normally the anti flicker works fine but these particular lights seem to be so bad the camera can't work it out. Not an easy task as there are 6 are flicking away. Still came away with lots of decent shots but there were a few I missed and I would love to have a solution
SA100453 by Simon Wootton, on Flickr
 
Came up against my old nemesis today, flickering LEDs. The A1 does a pretty good job but I would still say half the frames have some black from the lighting. It is a massive advantage being able to shoot electronic too and the A9iis were horrible with the back screens flashing like crazy when sitting next to me. Normally the anti flicker works fine but these particular lights seem to be so bad the camera can't work it out. Not an easy task as there are 6 are flicking away. Still came away with lots of decent shots but there were a few I missed and I would love to have a solution
SA100453 by Simon Wootton, on Flickr
I’m only looking on the phone but I assume this is one of the good ones as I can’t see any banding? Great timing in the shot btw.

Did you try one of those really weird shutter speeds such as something like 1/163.34 or did you just rely on the anti flicker?

Edit: this is what I’m referring to

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Is it possible to tweak the individual metering settings on Sony cameras like you can on Nikon, eg if you find a mode (such as centre weighted) constantly underexposes you can alter it so that it meters differently to give a brighter exposure? I know there's the exp comp dial, but it would be nice to be able to tweak the metering itself so you don't have to use the exp comp so much.

I've had a look through the menus but couldn't find anything.

That sounds like a fault - not something I see.
This sounds like it could be what I was looking for, will have a look on the camera tomorrow.

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I’m only looking on the phone but I assume this is one of the good ones as I can’t see any banding? Great timing in the shot btw.

Did you try one of those really weird shutter speeds such as something like 1/163.34 or did you just rely on the anti flicker?
Yep, tried them all but they still flickered and lost quite a few shots. It seems fine for a few hundred shots and then you lose a run of shots with the black bar increasing each frame before it sorts itself out. If you are focussing for a while before hitting the shutter it seems to work better. So the actual boxing is better than the moments you get after a fight where you react to what is going on. It is only this event I have issues with and generally it works very well. Here is one where it didn't work and that is from 9 images on the trot all of which have more black than image. Lots before and after that are fine.
 

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Yep, tried them all but they still flickered and lost quite a few shots. It seems fine for a few hundred shots and then you lose a run of shots with the black bar increasing each frame before it sorts itself out. If you are focussing for a while before hitting the shutter it seems to work better. So the actual boxing is better than the moments you get after a fight where you react to what is going on. It is only this event I have issues with and generally it works very well. Here is one where it didn't work and that is from 9 images on the trot all of which have more black than image. Lots before and after that are fine.
That’s weird that’s more than just banding, I don’t even know what that is. Almost looks like a flash sync type issue :thinking:
 
That’s weird that’s more than just banding, I don’t even know what that is. Almost looks like a flash sync type issue :thinking:
That is what it is always like with these lights. No idea why but I can still get the shots I need even if it is a bit frustrating. Looking at the images again it does appear to be quite random and is not effecting as many images as I thought it had.
 

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That is what it is always like with these lights. No idea why but I can still get the shots I need even if it is a bit frustrating. Looking at the images again it does appear to be quite random and is not effecting as many images as I thought it had.
Interesting, if you find out what it is please do share.
 
That is what it is always like with these lights. No idea why but I can still get the shots I need even if it is a bit frustrating. Looking at the images again it does appear to be quite random and is not effecting as many images as I thought it had.
Definitely the same ‘pattern’ as flash sync issues, just a question of why this would appear :thinking: Were all you shots at the same shutter speed?

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Nicely done, the first one in particular. Looks crisp and good contrast, was this at a fence free spot?

In terms of AF I have it set to single spot AF-C with BBF. I don’t use tracking mode as the AF point moves around and I find a static AF point helps me with panning because if the AF point stays in the same place it means I’ve panned at the right speed (y).

Cheers Toby. Yep, there’s just a low wooden fence where #1 was taken that you can easily shoot over.

Thanks for the feedback on your settings, much appreciated.

Simon.
 
Would certainly be interested to hear how others have their cameras set up for shooting fast moving things (I'm using an A7 IV).

Cheers,

Simon.
I choose a static point which corresponds with a part of the object I am shooting to create the composition I am looking for. I then try to keep that point on the same part of the object as I pan and shoot in a high speed burst in the hope by panning was correct at one point. The old advice about having your feet pointed at the exit of the pan makes a difference too but looking at that first image you are already achieving great results.
 
Had my first visit to Croft Circuit this year yesterday for the first car meeting of the year. It was a good opportunity to put my A7 IV and recently acquired Samyang lenses through their paces. I was pretty happy with what I came away with, although I do feel I've more than a little refinement to do on my settings to dial the AF in properly for this sort of stuff.

Anyway a few photos....

#1 Roadsports runner
20230415-750MC-SRH01521 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#2 Club Enduro runner
20230415-750MC-SRH00964 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#3 Cockpit detail
20230415-750MC-SRH00918 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#4 Stormy race start
20230415-750MC-SRH01192 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#5 Day finished?
20230415-750MC-SRH00873 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#6 Waiting.....
20230415-750MC-SRH00787 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#7 Exiting the chicane
20230415-750MC-SRH01267 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

#8 Entering the complex
20230415-750MC-SRH01022 copy by Simon Harrison, on Flickr

Would certainly be interested to hear how others have their cameras set up for shooting fast moving things (I'm using an A7 IV).

Cheers,

Simon.
Just had a loot though the rest of your shots from here, some great shots. That 135mm looks a lovely lens. Looks like you had some really great light at times, I know it's not nice when there's rain or a threat of if in the air but it can great great light when there's a gap in the clouds.

I wish Donington had more open areas like this, MSV have really gone to town with the fencing and what's worse is they've now started putting a second barrier about 8ft away from the catch fencing meaning no chance of getting a clean shot. I know why they have to do it these days, but it doesn't make for good photography. There's only one place where you can get track level fence free shooting on the national circuit which I'll do again on Sunday but I'm going to try to find some different angles as I've done all the 'classic ones' and I need to do something different. Ideally I'd blag a press pass :lol:
 
Well I've recently upgraded to an A7 IV but its somewhat been soured by the fact that the it doesnt support the LA-EA4 adaptor. I've got a massive stack of old Minolta lenses that worked perfectly fine on my old A7c and rendered beautiful images but for some reason Sony has omitted this from newer bodies. I didnt know this before I bought the A74 and would have definitely been a factor in my purchase decision.

Having owned an A7, A7II and A7c which all worked lovely with the adaptor and Minolta lenses I had wrongly just presumed that this A74 would work as well. How wrong I was, and while the camera is excellent I'm very dissapointed in this support being removed when the ability to use our older legacy glass without any compromise is something that got me away from A-Mount and into the system originally.

The LA-EA5 isnt an option either as it doesnt AF either with older Minolta lenses and its not even worth selling of any them because they are worth peanuts. I'll probably just find an old A99 or A900 used and use them on there or something.
 
Well I've recently upgraded to an A7 IV but its somewhat been soured by the fact that the it doesnt support the LA-EA4 adaptor. I've got a massive stack of old Minolta lenses that worked perfectly fine on my old A7c and rendered beautiful images but for some reason Sony has omitted this from newer bodies. I didnt know this before I bought the A74 and would have definitely been a factor in my purchase decision.

Having owned an A7, A7II and A7c which all worked lovely with the adaptor and Minolta lenses I had wrongly just presumed that this A74 would work as well. How wrong I was, and while the camera is excellent I'm very dissapointed in this support being removed when the ability to use our older legacy glass without any compromise is something that got me away from A-Mount and into the system originally.

The LA-EA5 isnt an option either as it doesnt AF either with older Minolta lenses and its not even worth selling of any them because they are worth peanuts. I'll probably just find an old A99 or A900 used and use them on there or something.
The A7iv and LA-EA5 works with my old Minolta 85 f/1.4 (it's the only Minolta A-Mount lens I now have).
Just done a quick test indoors to double check. Not as fast as on my A900, but certainly usable.
I've previously tried the Sony 50 f/1.4 (which is a rebadged Minolta design), and that was quite responsive - those are both older screw-drive lenses.
I've also tried it with the Sigma 24-60 f/2.8 HSM for a 'non-Sony' in-lens motor option, and that was very good.
Why did you think the A7iv and LA-EA5 had an issue with Minolta lenses ? That's the whole point of the LA-EA5, it allows older lenses to use the camera AF system, rather than the horrible kludged AF sysytem that the LA-EA4 uses.
 
Just had a loot though the rest of your shots from here, some great shots. That 135mm looks a lovely lens. Looks like you had some really great light at times, I know it's not nice when there's rain or a threat of if in the air but it can great great light when there's a gap in the clouds.

I wish Donington had more open areas like this, MSV have really gone to town with the fencing and what's worse is they've now started putting a second barrier about 8ft away from the catch fencing meaning no chance of getting a clean shot. I know why they have to do it these days, but it doesn't make for good photography. There's only one place where you can get track level fence free shooting on the national circuit which I'll do again on Sunday but I'm going to try to find some different angles as I've done all the 'classic ones' and I need to do something different. Ideally I'd blag a press pass :LOL:
Cheers Toby. I’m really pleased with all 3 Samyang lenses, but that 135mm f1.8 is simply stellar .

My son and I had a run down to Donny for the BTCC quali day last year, so I know where you’re coming from re fencing. To be honest, I’m actually finding shooting in and around the pits and paddock areas to be more challenging and enjoyable than shooting on track action these days. It’s also nice just to watch the racing properly rather than through a camera EVF. We may have a run down this Saturday for qualifying again. However, my son is playing in an U11 rugby festival getting on for as far away from home in the opposite direction on Sunday, so we may give it a miss to avoid two long days in the car.
 
Cheers Toby. I’m really pleased with all 3 Samyang lenses, but that 135mm f1.8 is simply stellar .

My son and I had a run down to Donny for the BTCC quali day last year, so I know where you’re coming from re fencing. To be honest, I’m actually finding shooting in and around the pits and paddock areas to be more challenging and enjoyable than shooting on track action these days. It’s also nice just to watch the racing properly rather than through a camera EVF. We may have a run down this Saturday for qualifying again. However, my son is playing in an U11 rugby festival getting on for as far away from home in the opposite direction on Sunday, so we may give it a miss to avoid two long days in the car.
I like spending time in the paddock too, which is why I really like going to the Masters and Historic days as you get full access, even being able to walk into the garages to have a look around (obviously you can't get into the pit line when racing's on).

I'm not sure how much access I'll get to the BTCC cars (doubt any) but hopefully I'll be able to get around the Porsche support race cars (not too fussed about the Minis and F4).
 
The A7iv and LA-EA5 works with my old Minolta 85 f/1.4 (it's the only Minolta A-Mount lens I now have).
Just done a quick test indoors to double check. Not as fast as on my A900, but certainly usable.
I've previously tried the Sony 50 f/1.4 (which is a rebadged Minolta design), and that was quite responsive - those are both older screw-drive lenses.
I've also tried it with the Sigma 24-60 f/2.8 HSM for a 'non-Sony' in-lens motor option, and that was very good.
Why did you think the A7iv and LA-EA5 had an issue with Minolta lenses ? That's the whole point of the LA-EA5, it allows older lenses to use the camera AF system, rather than the horrible kludged AF sysytem that the LA-EA4 uses.
Thats great news thanks for the info.

The reason I thought it didnt work is only what Ive read somewhere a couple of days ago which is clearly wrong by the sounds of it and which had stated that the old Mintola AF lenses wouldnt work.

I was actually thinking of getting the LA-EA5 anyway for exactly the reasons you state so happy to hear it will work and will be ordering one shortly.
 
How many?


"High end APS-C camera (likely before Summer with 26MP sensor)
Sony A9III
Sony A7cII
One surprise E-mount camera
Some sort of cine/video centric E-mount camera (could be coming in late Spring)"

"High end APS-C." I wonder if they'll give it a second near top of camera control dial? I'll be amazed if they do.
 
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If Sony bring out a high end APS-C then for me the A9III would be pushed to the sidelines and I would sell all my Canon gear. The only reason I use Canon as well as Sony is because of the R7 but keeping the A9 (MKI) and pairing it with a decent Sony crop body would be ideal. I couldn't imagine anything better for the money than a crop version of the A9 and 200-600mm.
 
If Sony bring out a high end APS-C then for me the A9III would be pushed to the sidelines and I would sell all my Canon gear. The only reason I use Canon as well as Sony is because of the R7 but keeping the A9 (MKI) and pairing it with a decent Sony crop body would be ideal. I couldn't imagine anything better for the money than a crop version of the A9 and 200-600mm.

The lack of a second top of camera control has always put me off the A6xxx series. I don't like using the back wheel. I have one camera like that at the mo, a Panasonic G100, and I just can't handle it without accidentally changing settings at some point.

As above, I'll be amazed if they fit one.
 
If Sony bring out a high end APS-C then for me the A9III would be pushed to the sidelines and I would sell all my Canon gear. The only reason I use Canon as well as Sony is because of the R7 but keeping the A9 (MKI) and pairing it with a decent Sony crop body would be ideal. I couldn't imagine anything better for the money than a crop version of the A9 and 200-600mm.
I assume you’ve conisdered ditching the Canon and A9ii and getting an A1 instead as that also gives a 22mp crop body?
 
If Sony bring out a high end APS-C then for me the A9III would be pushed to the sidelines and I would sell all my Canon gear. The only reason I use Canon as well as Sony is because of the R7 but keeping the A9 (MKI) and pairing it with a decent Sony crop body would be ideal. I couldn't imagine anything better for the money than a crop version of the A9 and 200-600mm.
Will be really disappointed if they come out with "only" 26mp.

Fuji is now doing 40mp (who btw use Sony sensors) and canon is up to 32mp.
 
Just processed a few pictures from the last time I took a camera out. A7 and Syoptic 50mm f1.1.

Hyperfocal shots. This lens has infinity at the end stop, which I think is nice.

Glare in the sky and spotting on.

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Raining quite a bit now so I was happy not to get any spots on the lens as I pointed the camera up to take this. It looks ok at 100%.

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Will be really disappointed if they come out with "only" 26mp.

Fuji is now doing 40mp (who btw use Sony sensors) and canon is up to 32mp.
They'll likely compete with the current market so I'd be surprised if it's less than 30mp. That being said on my kingfisher experience one of the togs had just bought the X-T5 and was cursing the file size so clearly not everyone is happy with the higher mp sensor :oops: :$
 
They'll likely compete with the current market so I'd be surprised if it's less than 30mp. That being said on my kingfisher experience one of the togs had just bought the X-T5 and was cursing the file size so clearly not everyone is happy with the higher mp sensor :oops: :$

I never really understood the people who complain file sizes tbh.

Where I come from there is a proverb that roughly translates to "if you keep an elephant as a pet, you need to be ready to feed it too".
(applies for your A1 too I guess ;) )
 
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