The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

dcash29 said:
Ant. What ISO setting on most recent shots?
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EXIF shows recommended exposure index is 640 for most but the coal tit is 320 (y)
 
LeeRatters said:
That is very true! If it matches the 35GM that would be fine for me. I just didn't want it to have some firmware stuff or something in it which rendered it a bit duff on the older bodies/focusing systems that's all.

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Nothing like that. The AF system in A7 is pretty basic. All native lenses with decent focus motors will work fine.
You'll have troubles with something like FE50/1.8 or the FE 50/2.8 macro. The macro is awful even on latest bodies.
 
nandbytes said:
Nothing like that. The AF system in A7 is pretty basic. All native lenses with decent focus motors will work fine.
You'll have troubles with something like FE50/1.8 or the FE 50/2.8 macro. The macro is awful even on latest bodies.
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Cool (y)

I might go for one soon then. Simplify a little bit for when out and about and away.

35GM and the 70-180/2.8 sounds nice to me.
 
Christopher Frost seems to be turning into a Voigtlander fan. He had a look at the 35mm f2 apo a couple of weeks ago and the rumor site is now featuring his review of the 65mm f2 apo macro.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHbJxDn3rRI

These really are lovely lenses to use and they seem to be very well made and of course with the e mount ones you don't need an adapter and you get exif. I use the 35mm f1.4 quite a lot, I also have the 40mm f1.2 and 50mm f2 apo but only use them now and again. The 35mm f1.4 is my favourite and most use manual lens but it does have a couple of issue, firstly the extreme corners are never sharp and secondly the bokeh can look funky with a messy scene at wider apertures so trees and foliage and the like can look rough in the close to middle distance but it does IMO settle down a bit when you stop down and I do like the look this lens gives at more stopped down apertures.

I probably posted the 35mm f2 apo video at the time but I might as well post it again as people might want to watch both vids :D

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCbPR7ey3BA&t=247s
 
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dcash29 said:
For some reason Flickr hasnt displayed the basic Exif under the picture and secondly I missed it as the ISO was listed under - Recommended Exposure Index

Thanks(y).
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Yeah, not sure why it's showing like that. But as Toby said, 320 & 640. I'm trying to shoot more at f/8 lately for small birds that are close to me for a larger depth of field, it's helping a lot and of course with the bonus of added sharpness.
 
nandbytes said:
Nothing like that. The AF system in A7 is pretty basic. All native lenses with decent focus motors will work fine.
You'll have troubles with something like FE50/1.8 or the FE 50/2.8 macro. The macro is awful even on latest bodies.
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I remember how disappointed I was with that lens. The AF was awful on my A7, it couldn't hit focus three times in a row, it was just unusable.
 
I was reading about the new and last Oly MFT body earlier. It looks nice but £2k for a MFT camera takes some getting over.
 
I read on another site that someone is trying to sue Sony over A7III shutter failures but people seem unclear about how many failures could be occurring or if they're a significant enough number and percentage to indicate a particular problem with Sony relative to other makers.
 
woof woof said:
I read on another site that someone is trying to sue Sony over A7III shutter failures but people seem unclear about how many failures could be occurring or if they're a significant enough number and percentage to indicate a particular problem with Sony relative to other makers.
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yeah that's a really old case. I thought it was baseless at the time and seems like its gotten no where.
 
woof woof said:
I was reading about the new and last Oly MFT body earlier. It looks nice but £2k for a MFT camera takes some getting over.
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I thought this initially, but then when you look at a FF camera with 'similar' performance (A9-II) you're talking £4k so half the price seems OK to me. I wish Sony would implement the tech from Olly though, hand held hi res and hand held digital ND filters, as well as live composite would be really great features to have. The there's the 8 stops IS to boot.
nandbytes said:
for me price wasn't quite the problem, DpreviewTV folks seems to have read my mind on what my issues are (apart from the video part which doesn't bother me)
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE7pSEySG6I
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I can't watch the video right now, what's the issues?
 
snerkler said:
I can't watch the video right now, what's the issues?
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Stuck at 20mp
Electronic shutter scan speed is 1/125s which isn't great especially for a stacked sensor. Considering A9 achieved 1/160s with the first stacked sensor and that too on a FF this is pretty poor for a m43 sized sensor.
There seems to be some lag in viewfinder, not true blackout free shooting.
The AF/subject tracking still on as good as Sony or canon or even Nikon now who have caught up on the Z9.
Panasonic lenses don't play nice on Oly bodies (and vise versa).

Dpreview want to see more video centric lenses or lenses with video favourable features which doesn't bother me a huge lot.
 
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nandbytes said:
Stuck at 20mp
Electronic shutter scan speed is 1/125s which isn't great especially for a stacked sensor. Considering A9 achieved 1/160s with the first stacked sensor and that too on a FF this is pretty poor for a m43 sized sensor.
There seems to be some lag in viewfinder, not true blackout free shooting.
The AF/subject tracking still on as good as Sony or canon or even Nikon now who have caught up on the Z9.
Panasonic lenses don't play nice on Oly bodies (and vise versa).

Dpreview want to see more video centric lenses or lenses with video favourable features which doesn't bother me a huge lot.
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Thanks.

I don't mind 20mp, fine for m4/3 plus there's the hi-res mode if you absolutely need it.

I was surprised at the scan speed but apparently it's due to the quad pixel sensor or whatever you call it. 1/160 is fine for rolling shutter, and I'd imagine 1/125 to be too as I barely noticed it on the EM1-II and that's slower still. Obviously not great for flash use.

Viewfinder lag is disappointing, and so's the lag of true blackout free shooting. How does it work then? I've actually seen reports that the A9 and A9-II aren't "true" blackout free but don't understand why. It's good enough for me though ;)

I'm amazed the AF isn't as good, hopefully they can improve that with firmware. That being said I had no issues with the EM1-II so I assume it's still very good.

I've personally never had an issue with Panny lenses on my Ollys, but it's not as though each manufacturer doesn't have all the lenses you could need.
 
snerkler said:
Thanks.

I don't mind 20mp, fine for m4/3 plus there's the hi-res mode if you absolutely need it.
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Can't use highres mode for anything that moves. For me hi-res mode is basically useless. It was great to try it and then I never used it since even in my landscape things are moving (water, trees, clouds etc etc). May be its great for architecture but I'd probably look into buying a TSE lens and using that on a FF than on m43 if I seriously got into it.
snerkler said:
I was surprised at the scan speed but apparently it's due to the quad pixel sensor or whatever you call it. 1/160 is fine for rolling shutter, and I'd imagine 1/125 to be too as I barely noticed it on the EM1-II and that's slower still. Obviously not great for flash use.

Viewfinder lag is disappointing, and so's the lag of true blackout free shooting. How does it work then? I've actually seen reports that the A9 and A9-II aren't "true" blackout free but don't understand why. It's good enough for me though ;)
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Think the above two are linked. there is a lag because scan speed isn't as fast as A9 for example. Well whatever the reason for slow scan rate, it shouldn't have been slower than a FF IMO.
Once again according to dpreview in their initial impression video its not smooth blackout free tracking.
snerkler said:
I'm amazed the AF isn't as good, hopefully they can improve that with firmware. That being said I had no issues with the EM1-II so I assume it's still very good.
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Personally I don't buy bodies hoping for a firmware to massively improve things in the future.
I am just going by what dpreview said and that is its not as good.
snerkler said:
I've personally never had an issue with Panny lenses on my Ollys, but it's not as though each manufacturer doesn't have all the lenses you could need.
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IBIS and OS do not work together. You do not get 50fps (not that I need 50fps). Wethersealing isn't IP53 rated with cross brand lenses even though they could be just as well sealed.
Well I prefer Panasonic 8-18mm over Oly 8-25mm for example. Would have been great to have 7-8stops IBIS and weather sealing with it too.
 
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nandbytes said:
Can't use highres mode for anything that moves. For me hi-res mode is basically useless. It was great to try it and then I never used it since even in my landscape things are moving (water, trees, clouds etc etc). May be its great for architecture but I'd probably look into buying a TSE lens and using that on a FF than on m43 if I seriously got into it.

Think the above two are linked. there is a lag because scan speed isn't as fast as A9 for example. Well whatever the reason for slow scan rate, it shouldn't have been slower than a FF IMO.
Once again according to dpreview in their initial impression video its not smooth blackout free tracking.

Personally I don't buy bodies hoping for a firmware to massively improve things in the future.
I am just going by what dpreview said and that is its not as good.


IBIS and OS do not work together. You do not get 50fps (not that I need 50fps). Wethersealing isn't IP53 rated with cross brand lenses even though they could be just as well sealed.
Well I prefer Panasonic 8-18mm over Oly 8-25mm for example. Would have been great to have 7-8stops IBIS and weather sealing with it too.
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Valid points, and I too don't buy a camera hoping firmware fixes things, my comment was more in reference for Olly's benefit. I've no intention of buying this camera ;)

As for Panny bodies not playing nice, I do feel this is harsh criticism. I think it's great that lenses are cross compatible, and it's not as though Sony get the same complaint that Nikon lenses don't play nice on sony cameras for example. The fact that other brand's lenses can be used should be seen as a bonus imo. YMMV (y)
 
snerkler said:
As for Panny bodies not playing nice, I do feel this is harsh criticism. I think it's great that lenses are cross compatible, and it's not as though Sony get the same complaint that Nikon lenses don't play nice on sony cameras for example. The fact that other brand's lenses can be used should be seen as a bonus imo. YMMV (y)
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Yeah I guess it is a matter of perspective. But if did work cross brand just as well it would be a further bonus imo.
And as dpreview said they'd probably sell more overall if they played just as nicely with each other (as supposed to just "tolerating" each other).

nikon, canon, sony is a different story, they all have separate mounts which physically do not fir unlike m43/oly/pana..... but I do have a problem with 3rd party lenses not working just as well as native lenses for high FPS shooting on sony. Not that 15fps is bad but all lenses should be able to support 30fps or whatever.
 
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Malfis said:
Well, it's arrived (Samyang AF 24-70mm FE f2.8)
It's a monster and I'm taking weightlifting courses.
The reviews have been excellent, so I'm looking forward to seeing the reality.
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Very nice, been toying with the idea of this lens rather than the GM version, gets great reviews.
 
Kieran_89 said:
Yeah I’ve looked at that too, no price difference between the two either.
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It's just a wee bit smaller and lighter than samyang and historically better at autofocusing. Though not sure about the samyangs performance but I can't imagine them being better than sigma in terms of AF.
 
nandbytes said:
It's just a wee bit smaller and lighter than samyang and historically better at autofocusing. Though not sure about the samyangs performance but I can't imagine them being better than sigma in terms of AF.
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Yeah can’t imagine the Samyang having better AF, probably a lot closer than you’d think though, especially mounted to a Sony A74.
 
f/2.8 said:
Don’t forget the absolutely awful orange colour cast on all Samyang lenses and the 24-70 is supposed to be one of the worst for this.
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I’ve never noticed that :oops: :$
 
f/2.8 said:
Don’t forget the absolutely awful orange colour cast on all Samyang lenses and the 24-70 is supposed to be one of the worst for this.
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Wow. Do we have any images examples of this?
 
goldtop said:
Wow. Do we have any images examples of this?
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While I wouldn't call it a orange cast the images are certainly warmer with samyang lenses.
There is a samyang 35mm/2.8 Vs Zeiss 35mm/2.8 comparison on this thread that shows this for example. You'll have to search it out, not sure who made the comparison.
 
f/2.8 said:
Google Samyang colour cast not hard to find examples :)
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Just looked back at my shots with the 18mm, 24mm and 45mm and can’t see any cast :thinking:
 
They are great if you want to give all of your subjects an Essex girls tan.
 
snerkler said:
Just looked back at my shots with the 18mm, 24mm and 45mm and can’t see any cast :thinking:
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That was quick.

Don’t take my word for it, Google samyang lenses colour cast. Everybody knows about this.
 
f/2.8 said:
That was quick.

Don’t take my word for it, Google samyang lenses colour cast. Everybody knows about this.
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They’re on Flickr, doesn’t take long ;)

Maybe it’s a known thing, I don’t know, but I’ve always been happy with them and also think they look good in the photo pools I’ve seen so I’m happy to use them (y)
 
snerkler said:
They’re on Flickr, doesn’t take long ;)

Maybe it’s a known thing, I don’t know, but I’ve always been happy with them and also think they look good in the photo pools I’ve seen so I’m happy to use them (y)
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probably because you have processed them. Try doing a side by side comparison without any processing and same settings.
 
nandbytes said:
While I wouldn't call it a orange cast the images are certainly warmer with samyang lenses.
There is a samyang 35mm/2.8 Vs Zeiss 35mm/2.8 comparison on this thread that shows this for example. You'll have to search it out, not sure who made the comparison.
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I couldn't find anything through a search on here. But I'm sure he must have images to show the orange cast.
 
goldtop said:
I couldn't find anything through a search on here. But I'm sure he must have images to show the orange cast.
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Tried searching myself and couldn't find examples.
I can't really show examples either since I don't have a side by side so without context its harder to show. But I certainly noticed the warmer colours out of samyangs which is the main reason I dislike them more so than their AF.
If you just search "samyang warm" you will find a couple other folks commenting on the same.

It should be really easy for @snerkler to test it since he has a samyang lens and two other lenses that cover 45mm focal length.
 
nandbytes said:
probably because you have processed them. Try doing a side by side comparison without any processing and same settings.
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All my processing is the same regardless of lens, everything's imported with the same preset. Every lens renders differently so I could do side by side of every lens and find a difference I'd imagine. My least favourite colours are Tamron tbh, but I still like them (y)
 
nandbytes said:
Tried searching myself and couldn't find examples.
I can't really show examples either since I don't have a side by side so without context its harder to show. But I certainly noticed the warmer colours out of samyangs which is the main reason I dislike them more so than their AF.
If you just search "samyang warm" you will find a couple other folks commenting on the same.

It should be really easy for @snerkler to test it since he has a samyang lens and two other lenses that cover 45mm focal length.
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I'll search for other independent reviews to see if they mention anything. Of course, if it's just a minor question of warmth that's easily fixed, rather than some sort of OMIGOD-FUBAR thing, then it's no problem.

As you know, I'm rebuilding my Sony FE setup, and am considering a simple, light and low-cost prime to add to the 17-28 and 24-105 (still planned, not yet bought).
 
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