The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

woof woof said:
AFAIK it's a FF lens. I could be wrong.

Anyway. It wouldn't be much use to me as usually don't crave zero dof pictures all that often and it's not a look I'm going to want many pictures to give. Looking at the pictures in the various reviews I don't think there are many or even if any I'd want to take and keep. When testing out the lens, yup, but after that, not so much.
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You're not wrong, it's marketed as full frame, but the black corners even when stopped down point to the fact it doesn't cover the whole sensor.
 
Ah, I see what you mean.

As with the other larger aperture lenses we've seen recently this one doesn't make me want it :D
 
As it's quiet.

This is the picture I'm looking at and fiddling with. Locke Park, Redcar, and ducks. Taken with my A7 and Voigtlander 35mm f1.4. I might get to go there again next week as Mrs WW wants a lift to college and I might get a wander whilst she's there :D

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woof woof said:
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There have been a few wide aperture primes recently but apart from portraits like the ones in the review with next to no depth or context I can't help thinking that most pictures would be better at f2 to f5.

How many pictures do you want like this?

Anyone interested?
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I’m interested in lenses like this for car and motorbike photography but given the weight and the samples in that review there’s no way I’d buy that over the Mitakon.
 
I know I'm in a minority but I only fancy very wide aperture pictures now and again so it's not really something I'd buy a lens for. I do have the Voigtlander 40mm f1.2 but tbh the f1.2 was incidental and I'd have bought it if it was f2. If I was in the market and believed I'd see a significant difference between f1.4 and wider apertures I'd maybe go for the Sony 50mm f1.2 or the Voigtlander 50mm f1.2 which is MF and built very nicely and is quite compact but unfortunately can have ca at wide apertures in some situations.

As always good luck to those who want these very wide aperture lenses.
 
Right on queue. Another wide aperture lens on the way?

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I know that'll find happy buyers. If it comes, will anyone be interested?
 
woof woof said:
Right on queue. Another wide aperture lens on the way?

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I know that'll find happy buyers. If it comes, will anyone be interested?
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Me :D
85mm is my most used prime.
 
nandbytes said:
Me :D
85mm is my most used prime.
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I expect it to be class leading and also smaller and lighter than we'd expect from a modern lens like this. That seems to be the way things are going.

I can just about remember the last time I used my f1.8 so the chances of me buying one are not great :D
 
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nandbytes said:
Me :D
85mm is my most used prime.
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woof woof said:
I expect it to be class leading and also smaller and lighter than we'd expect from a modern lens like this. That seems to be the way things are going.

I can just about remember the last time I used my f1.8 so the chances of me buying one are not great :D
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I do like 85mm at times but I don't think I use it enough to justify a f/1.2 version.
 
woof woof said:
YaY. I own the No.6 most rented lens, the Sony 20mm f1.8 :D
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I used mine Monday night. Night skies again! Plus film star trails (hopefully with less issues this time) & Orion with the CV40 (I thought I'd try it, 35GM would have given me better IQ though I think & I'm not sure if 85mm would have been too tight........)

Still, not much beats meeting up with other guys to stand around in a field at night, right.......? Right.....? :p :ROFLMAO:
 
I can't remember when I last used my 20mm, the summer probably.

I'm not 100% happy with my 85mm f1.8 but I don't think I'll be getting the f1.2 even if it is smaller than we'd expect as it'll probably be expensive, and I'd only use it twice a year.
 
woof woof said:
I know I'm in a minority but I only fancy very wide aperture pictures now and again so it's not really something I'd buy a lens for. I do have the Voigtlander 40mm f1.2 but tbh the f1.2 was incidental and I'd have bought it if it was f2. If I was in the market and believed I'd see a significant difference between f1.4 and wider apertures I'd maybe go for the Sony 50mm f1.2 or the Voigtlander 50mm f1.2 which is MF and built very nicely and is quite compact but unfortunately can have ca at wide apertures in some situations.

As always good luck to those who want these very wide aperture lenses.
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I guess it depends what you shoot and how. For example I like full body portraits shot with really wide aperture to separate them from the background as much as possible, but head shots/head and shoulder shots with a slightly smaller aperture otherwise you end up just getting an eyelash in focus.
 
snerkler said:
I guess it depends what you shoot and how. For example I like full body portraits shot with really wide aperture to separate them from the background as much as possible, but head shots/head and shoulder shots with a slightly smaller aperture otherwise you end up just getting an eyelash in focus.
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People shots at a distance would be the obvious one for me but it would depend how much context I wanted and not something I'd want a lot of. The example people pictures in some of the reviews seem very repetitive to me. For me the differences between wide apertures are most obvious in the size of bokeh balls, other than that there isn't too much to tempt me but if someone was to post some pictures which show a significant difference between wide apertures other than bokeh balls I'd be interested.

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Looking at the wide aperture pictures on another site today I don't think there was more than low single digit pictures I'd want to look at in the whole thread.
 
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woof woof said:
People shots at a distance would be the obvious one for me but it would depend how much context I wanted and not something I'd want a lot of. The example people pictures in some of the reviews seem very repetitive to me. For me the differences between wide apertures are most obvious in the size of bokeh balls, other than that there isn't too much to tempt me but if someone was to post some pictures which show a significant difference between wide apertures other than bokeh balls I'd be interested.

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Looking at the wide aperture pictures on anther site today I don't think there was more than low single digit pictures I'd want to look at in the whole thread.
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I think there’s more to it than just the aperture, for example from the samples I’ve seen the Mitakon appears to have more pop and that little bit of a brenizer/miniature look that I like. Some Samyangs also have it to my eyes, but if you can combine this with wide aperture it’s a winning combo for me (y)
 
Mike.P said:
What's it like compared to the Sony 90mm?

Not worried about af/SR/focus throw just image rendering.

Cheers
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Well obviously there is no AF :D

They are actually both about the same at macro distances tbh in that the bokeh takes the polygonal shape and while transitions are smooth the corners have cats eye more so on the voigtlander. Basically neither is perfect. Wide open both are very smooth.

Voigtlander produces beautiful sunstars unlike Sony, better CA corrected too and also has a longer working distance.

Sony had greater contrast especially at 1:1 macro distance and its internal focusing.

Lastly at macro distances voigtlander is the sharpest lens I have used. Sony is more evenly sharp across all focus distances and seems a wee bit sharper at infinity.

I suggest you also consider the new sigma 105mm DN macro. From what I hear it's the best of all worlds though I haven't used it myself.
 
woof woof said:
Right on queue. Another wide aperture lens on the way?

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I know that'll find happy buyers. If it comes, will anyone be interested?
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Even say a year ago this would have really excited me not sure if this would interest me now or not.

I have got so used to just shooting everything pretty much with a 35/50 that I don't know if an 85 f/1.2 would change my mind. 85mm for me, at the moment seems like such a boring focal length. I pretty much only use mine for the speeches and have done for a good long while although I did need to break it out of storage for a wedding at the weekend in a very large chapel just to get a bit closer.

Never say never but with using an 85mm so little not sure I could justify the cost this is bound to be 3k plus.
 
f/2.8 said:
Even say a year ago this would have really excited me not sure if this would interest me now or not.

I have got so used to just shooting everything pretty much with a 35/50 that I don't know if an 85 f/1.2 would change my mind. 85mm for me, at the moment seems like such a boring focal length. I pretty much only use mine for the speeches and have done for a good long while although I did need to break it out of storage for a wedding at the weekend in a very large chapel just to get a bit closer.

Never say never but with using an 85mm so little not sure I could justify the cost this is bound to be 3k plus.
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You never know, once the reviews and sample pictures come out they might rekindle your interest.

85mm is really getting to be too long for me these days as I seem to have gravitated more to 35 or wider plus I like compact kit plus I'm tight as. So all that could add up to me ordering one. You never know. In reality I think the f1.8 is a good lens but I've never really felt the warmth towards that that I felt for the old Sigma f1.4 HSM which to me gave a better look, less sharp, but maybe nicer.
 
Is there anyone on here who has gone from an A9 to an A7iv? I'm very interested to know if it's worth changing.
 
gman said:
Is there anyone on here who has gone from an A9 to an A7iv? I'm very interested to know if it's worth changing.
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My missus got an A7IV but she doesn't use our A9's. She moved one of our A7III's for it.

Different type of camera really A9 is for speed A7 series is for all round use.

I wouldn't be giving up my A9's for an A7IV. A9 has the speed, blackout free shooting and less banding when using the silent shutter all huge advantages for me. If you don't need those things the A7IV has a bit better resolution, the newer touchscreen menu, newer ergonomics etc. Very much camera bodies aimed at different types of users.
 
f/2.8 said:
My missus got an A7IV but she doesn't use our A9's. She moved one of our A7III's for it.

Different type of camera really A9 is for speed A7 series is for all round use.

I wouldn't be giving up my A9's for an A7IV. A9 has the speed, blackout free shooting and less banding when using the silent shutter all huge advantages for me. If you don't need those things the A7IV has a bit better resolution, the newer touchscreen menu, newer ergonomics etc. Very much camera bodies aimed at different types of users.
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Thanks for that. What about the AF, is it noticeably improved? I had a play of the RX100 vii and the AF eye tracking is better than the A9 and very sticky.

Also, the dynamic range is what is mainly drawing my interest but I'm wondering how noticeable it will be, especially at ISO over 640?
 
gman said:
Thanks for that. What about the AF, is it noticeably improved? I had a play of the RX100 vii and the AF eye tracking is better than the A9 and very sticky.

Also, the dynamic range is what is mainly drawing my interest but I'm wondering how noticeable it will be, especially at ISO over 640?
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Are you sure there isn’t a problem with your A9? Would be very surprised if an RX100 vII is capable of matching it never mind being better in terms of a.f on the A9. I haven’t used a point and shoot in donkeys years so maybe they have improved that much.

In terms of A.F performance the A7IV is a little bit better than the A7III and much closer to the A9. Hard to say if it matches it, I definitely wouldn’t say it was better for the stuff that we shoot, mainly people. It does have the new bird eye A.F but I haven’t used it as it isn’t something I shoot. It’s a hard one to compare as the A9 is a much faster camera body. I have never had any issues with the A9 not being super sticky in terms of eye A.F. I am not really sure how the A9 autofocus could be improved, it always works great. I guess the animal eye a.f stuff but that is something I would never use.

Before I got my first A9 the lower dynamic range put me of buying but it’s never been an issue for me in everyday use. I can’t say I have ever noticed that much of a difference with any of the Sony bodies we have had but then again we don’t shoot landscapes where that would be an advantage for our use the A9 dynamic range is more than good enough. I know a lot of people rely on dynamic range for fixing shooting mistakes in post but that's not something we tend to need to do often and the A9 files have always had more than enough flexability in terms of shadow recovery etc. for us.
 
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f/2.8 said:
Before I got my first A9 the lower dynamic range put me of buying but it’s never been an issue for me in everyday use. I can’t say I have ever noticed that much of a difference with any of the Sony bodies we have had but then again we don’t shoot landscapes where that would be an advantage for our use the A9 dynamic range is more than good enough. I know a lot of people rely on dynamic range for fixing shooting mistakes in post but that's not something we tend to need to do often and the A9 files have always had more than enough flexability in terms of shadow recovery etc. for us.
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I don't think it's necessarily fixing shooting mistakes, it's probably more wanting to capture the shot in one shot rather than multiple exposures. Up here in the frozen north where the sun can be low in the sky capturing sky detail is often going to mean under exposing the shadows and boosting them post capture and that's the only way to do it if you want to do it in one shot. However, I took some pictures the other day straight into the sun and there's still more detail in the sky than I could see by eye and that's with my creaking old A7.

DR is something that we can maybe never have enough of but sometimes I think that expecting the camera to capture a scene that's way beyond what our eyes and brain can cope with is maybe beginning to be asking too much and there's the chance that if the camera can do it it won't look natural.
 
f/2.8 said:
Are you sure there isn’t a problem with your A9? Would be very surprised if an RX100 vII is capable of matching it never mind being better in terms of a.f on the A9. I haven’t used a point and shoot in donkeys years so maybe they have improved that much.

In terms of A.F performance the A7IV is a little bit better than the A7III and much closer to the A9. Hard to say if it matches it, I definitely wouldn’t say it was better for the stuff that we shoot, mainly people. It does have the new bird eye A.F but I haven’t used it as it isn’t something I shoot. It’s a hard one to compare as the A9 is a much faster camera body. I have never had any issues with the A9 not being super sticky in terms of eye A.F. I am not really sure how the A9 autofocus could be improved, it always works great. I guess the animal eye a.f stuff but that is something I would never use.

Before I got my first A9 the lower dynamic range put me of buying but it’s never been an issue for me in everyday use. I can’t say I have ever noticed that much of a difference with any of the Sony bodies we have had but then again we don’t shoot landscapes where that would be an advantage for our use the A9 dynamic range is more than good enough. I know a lot of people rely on dynamic range for fixing shooting mistakes in post but that's not something we tend to need to do often and the A9 files have always had more than enough flexability in terms of shadow recovery etc. for us.
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The RX seemed to grab the eye faster and the green box moved quicker than with the A9. It was only one quick test with very good conditions, whereas with my A9 it's usually darker environments and faster moving subjects.

Regarding dynamic range, I had to take a photo of some dark kitchen units with a bright worktop in a fairly dim room in order to do some superimposing later and I did both a one shot and a three shot bracket and as expected I could not only pull back the shadows better but they were far cleaner with the hdr merge.

I suppose I should look into it further but I'm sure that many images from the A9 aren't very clean and have a sort of pattern or dithering to them, whereas I'm sure I see shots even from the original A7 which are lovely and clean.

I'll see if I can find some examples of what I mean as I'm not explaining it very well.
 
gman said:
The RX seemed to grab the eye faster and the green box moved quicker than with the A9. It was only one quick test with very good conditions, whereas with my A9 it's usually darker environments and faster moving subjects.

Regarding dynamic range, I had to take a photo of some dark kitchen units with a bright worktop in a fairly dim room in order to do some superimposing later and I did both a one shot and a three shot bracket and as expected I could not only pull back the shadows better but they were far cleaner with the hdr merge.

I suppose I should look into it further but I'm sure that many images from the A9 aren't very clean and have a sort of pattern or dithering to them, whereas I'm sure I see shots even from the original A7 which are lovely and clean.

I'll see if I can find some examples of what I mean as I'm not explaining it very well.
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I am only going on my own experience I mainly just shoot people and dynamic range has never been an issue. I also haven’t seen any difference with any of the other Sony bodies we have owned or used.

Depending on what you shoot your experience might well be very different than my own.
 
@LeeRatters there is a new app for A7C (among other Sony cameras) that add a nice intervelometer functionality

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It's only for iPhones, not sure if your are an iPhone person. But seemed like a decent replacement for remote shutter
 
gman said:
The RX seemed to grab the eye faster and the green box moved quicker than with the A9. It was only one quick test with very good conditions, whereas with my A9 it's usually darker environments and faster moving subjects.

Regarding dynamic range, I had to take a photo of some dark kitchen units with a bright worktop in a fairly dim room in order to do some superimposing later and I did both a one shot and a three shot bracket and as expected I could not only pull back the shadows better but they were far cleaner with the hdr merge.

I suppose I should look into it further but I'm sure that many images from the A9 aren't very clean and have a sort of pattern or dithering to them, whereas I'm sure I see shots even from the original A7 which are lovely and clean.

I'll see if I can find some examples of what I mean as I'm not explaining it very well.
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Well, that's because original A7 shooters are very skilled & talented photographers ;)

Ain't that right Alan? ;)

@woof woof
 
nandbytes said:
@LeeRatters there is a new app for A7C (among other Sony cameras) that add a nice intervelometer functionality

shutter.dev

Shutter - Remote Control App for Sony, Canon & Fujifilm Cameras

Shutter is a camera remote control app for iOS that gives you USB & wireless control of your exposure, composition, focus, intervalometer, bracketing, and more.
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It's only for iPhones, not sure if your are an iPhone person. But seemed like a decent replacement for remote shutter
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Android..... But thank you :)

I'll keep an eye on it. It might come across at some point :)
 
f/2.8 said:
I am only going on my own experience I mainly just shoot people and dynamic range has never been an issue. I also haven’t seen any difference with any of the other Sony bodies we have owned or used.

Depending on what you shoot your experience might well be very different than my own.
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I remember what it is now, it's the bokeh which can seem a little nasty on the A9, more so when above ISO100 but sometimes at ISO100 as well.

Here's my A9 with the Sony 35mm f/1.4 at ISO100, screen grab taken straight from RAW import so no editing effects or compression to degrade it:

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And here's a sample I pulled from the internet of the A7iii at ISO100 (link to full image):

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The A9 just looks nasty to me whereas the A7iii looks buttery smooth.
 
gman said:
I remember what it is now, it's the bokeh which can seem a little nasty on the A9, more so when above ISO100 but sometimes at ISO100 as well.

Here's my A9 with the Sony 35mm f/1.4 at ISO100, screen grab taken straight from RAW import so no editing effects or compression to degrade it:

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And here's a sample I pulled from the internet of the A7iii at ISO100 (link to full image):

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The A9 just looks nasty to me whereas the A7iii looks buttery smooth.
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I know EFCS can affect bokeh but other than this how can a camera affect bokeh, I thought it was purely down to the lens?
 
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