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More on the A7IV at the rumor site and they say the rumors were accurate...

Sony officially launches the Sony A7IV teaser! | sonyalpharumors

It's weeks I tell you Sony will announce the new A7IV on October 21. And today Sony officially confirmed this by launching this new teaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zreZpSXWtiA I am sure also our A7IV rumors are spot on: launch on October 21 (if chip supply permits this) Newly developed...
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It sort of hits a few buttons for me, I could keep my a7r2 and finally ditch my a6000 as my 2nd camera which I rarely use unless I'm desperate for longer reach. The EVF is a bit better, the AF will be alot better, don't really care about the cards, or their speed to be honest. Articulating screen and touchscreen is an improvement, though Im an EVF guy. I might need to change that as I don't see anyone using the EVF now, I was out with a group of around 10 on Sat night and I was the only one using the EVF which made me think a bit. I think I would still need it for vintage lenses, can't imagine doing the zoom in to focus on the screen rather than the EVF.

I have no idea what the jump down to 33MP would be like compared to my A7R2, that is something I can't really get my head around, less room to crop, but otherwise would it be noticeable? It just feels like a drop from 42MP to 33MP would be a downgrade and I don't think that feels right to me, though of course it would be a massive upgrade from my a6000 :)
 
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It sort of hits a few buttons for me, I could keep my a7r2 and finally ditch my a6000 as my 2nd camera which I rarely use unless I'm desperate for longer reach. The EVF is a bit better, the AF will be alot better, don't really care about the cards, or their speed to be honest. Articulating screen and touchscreen is an improvement, though Im an EVF guy. I might need to change that as I don't see anyone using the EVF now, I was out with a group of around 10 on Sat night and I was the only one using the EVF which made me think a bit. I think I would still need it for vintage lenses, can't imagine doing the zoom in to focus on the screen rather than the EVF.

I have no idea what the jump down to 33MP would be like compared to my A7R2, that is something I can't really get my head around, less room to crop, but otherwise would it be noticeable? It just feels like a drop from 42MP to 33MP would be a downgrade and I don't think that feels right to me, though of course it would be a massive upgrade from my a6000 :)
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I take the odd back screen shot, low down shots and for perspective etc but other than that very mostly I use the VF as holding a camera af half arms length distance from my face is something I only do when I think it's the easiest thing to do and it isn't that very often.
 
Better stick a fake meeting in my calendar for 3pm Thursday :)
 
I have a remote support session with an external site booked for then apparently :)
 
I found this focal length comparison thingy sort of fun...

Focal Length Comparison Tool

A simple and easy to use tool for a visual comparison of the focal length and the angle of view of two camera lenses.
morn91.github.io
 
woof woof said:
More on the A7IV at the rumor site and they say the rumors were accurate...

Sony officially launches the Sony A7IV teaser! | sonyalpharumors

It's weeks I tell you Sony will announce the new A7IV on October 21. And today Sony officially confirmed this by launching this new teaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zreZpSXWtiA I am sure also our A7IV rumors are spot on: launch on October 21 (if chip supply permits this) Newly developed...
www.sonyalpharumors.com www.sonyalpharumors.com
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Does it do blackout free shooting? The specs are looking pretty perfect for me.
 
Couple of light and shadow shots. In the past my tendency was to saturate colours, particularly reds, but nowadays I tend to think less is more and try not overdo it.


In The Red by Merlin 5, on Flickr


Beauty In The Shadows by Merlin 5, on Flickr
 
woof woof said:
More A7IV...

LOL! Sony shows the A7IV specs inside the Youtube teaser keywords, here they are… | sonyalpharumors

The TAGS embedded in Sony teaser video Today Sony posted the official A7IV teaser and the camera is listed at BHphoto. Our smart readers (Thanks Wout!) noted that it contains a lot of keywords unveiling the A7IV specs. First it shows the camera name: ILCE-7M4, A7M4, Alpha 7, Alpha7, Sony A7 IV...
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No blackout free shooting?
That'd be pretty bad considering canons and Fuji manage it without a stacked sensor
 
Merlin5 said:
Couple of light and shadow shots. In the past my tendency was to saturate colours, particularly reds, but nowadays I tend to think less is more and try not overdo it.


In The Red by Merlin 5, on Flickr


Beauty In The Shadows by Merlin 5, on Flickr
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Nice. Love the lines in the first.

I wouldn't mind spending a day shooting 'street' - It's been a long time!
 
nandbytes said:
No blackout free shooting?
That'd be pretty bad considering canons and Fuji manage it without a stacked sensor
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I didn't realise you could do it without a stacked sensor. Is it proper blackout free or slideshow?
 
LeeRatters said:
Nice. Love the lines in the first.

I wouldn't mind spending a day shooting 'street' - It's been a long time!
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Thanks Lee. If you're ever down in London and fancy meeting up, we can shoot some street and drink some coffee. I met George (aka G.K.Jnr) in London earlier in the year, was good fun. We could probably all three of us meet up! :)
 
Merlin5 said:
Thanks Lee. If you're ever down in London and fancy meeting up, we can shoot some street and drink some coffee. I met George (aka G.K.Jnr) in London earlier in the year, was good fun. We could probably all three of us meet up! :)
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(y) But, I can't remember the last time I went to London.... I am going next summer, but that's to see the Foo Fighters.
 
Trying to get the A9 set up so I can tweet live from games. It wasn't what I call intuitive but I got there and it is really pretty slick when set up. Select send images to smart device, use front dial to scroll through rated images and select the ones you want, make sure your media slot to view is set for jpegs and then click connect on the Imaging Edge App. Full sized jpeg delivered in a couple of seconds. Quite impressed and you can have different cameras set up on teh app too. Next task to see how the tagging etc works and it should also allow me to gps mark images
 
wookie6262 said:
Trying to get the A9 set up so I can tweet live from games. It wasn't what I call intuitive but I got there and it is really pretty slick when set up. Select send images to smart device, use front dial to scroll through rated images and select the ones you want, make sure your media slot to view is set for jpegs and then click connect on the Imaging Edge App. Full sized jpeg delivered in a couple of seconds. Quite impressed and you can have different cameras set up on teh app too. Next task to see how the tagging etc works and it should also allow me to gps mark images
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Apparently the Mark II is better setup for this but it's not something that I've ever looked at tbh, I don't do social media much.
 
I have a technical question over lens compression guys. I was out briefly along the river with my 24-105 and I thought it would be nice if I could pull the background in a lot closer. So I backed up a fair bit and then zoomed fully in. Sure enough it was closer but not enough. That's with the longest zoom I have.
Now I do have a Pentax K 135mm, that I could stick on my a6000 giving me 200mm, would that work more? Or is lens compression partly focal length and partly zooming? I'm thinking the 200mm wouldn't work as well as it would magnify everything the same, foreground and background?
 
snerkler said:
I prefer this one (y)

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I can't see a way to compare focal lengths with that one but with the other one it's easy. Like this... comparing 35 and 50mm, with 35mm being the outer bigger yellow bordered area and 50mm being the inner blue bordered area.

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woof woof said:
I can't see a way to compare focal lengths with that one but with the other one it's easy. Like this... comparing 35 and 50mm, with 35mm being the outer bigger yellow bordered area and 50mm being the inner blue bordered area.

5UvuhST.jpg
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Ahh, didn’t realise you could compare on the same screen (y)
 
MrMackyB said:
I have a technical question over lens compression guys. I was out briefly along the river with my 24-105 and I thought it would be nice if I could pull the background in a lot closer. So I backed up a fair bit and then zoomed fully in. Sure enough it was closer but not enough. That's with the longest zoom I have.
Now I do have a Pentax K 135mm, that I could stick on my a6000 giving me 200mm, would that work more? Or is lens compression partly focal length and partly zooming? I'm thinking the 200mm wouldn't work as well as it would magnify everything the same, foreground and background?
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The longer the effective focal length the more compression you'll get. However you will also get shallower depth of field for a given aperture.
 
f/2.8 said:
It’s the same ftp transfer is better on the A9II
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Cheers, that confirms what I have read. If I ever get money for images then I may look at that but until then for my own amusement and the collective I take Rugby images for I have a workable solution that is fairly decent
 
MrMackyB said:
I have a technical question over lens compression guys. I was out briefly along the river with my 24-105 and I thought it would be nice if I could pull the background in a lot closer. So I backed up a fair bit and then zoomed fully in. Sure enough it was closer but not enough. That's with the longest zoom I have.
Now I do have a Pentax K 135mm, that I could stick on my a6000 giving me 200mm, would that work more? Or is lens compression partly focal length and partly zooming? I'm thinking the 200mm wouldn't work as well as it would magnify everything the same, foreground and background?
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The effect of compression is not down to focal length per se, but the distance from the subject. If you took a shot with a 200mm lens and then a 50mm lens stood at the same spot and cropped the 50mm shot to match the 200mm shot the ‘compression’ will be the same. We tend to stand further back when using a telephoto so the longer the tele the further we stand back and therefore greater the effect of compression.
 
snerkler said:
The effect of compression is not down to focal length per se, but the distance from the subject. If you took a shot with a 200mm lens and then a 50mm lens stood at the same spot and cropped the 50mm shot to match the 200mm shot the ‘compression’ will be the same. We tend to stand further back when using a telephoto so the longer the tele the further we stand back and therefore greater the effect of compression.
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That's certainly true too, but we use focal length to allow us to 'crop reality'.
 
MrMackyB said:
I have a technical question over lens compression guys. I was out briefly along the river with my 24-105 and I thought it would be nice if I could pull the background in a lot closer. So I backed up a fair bit and then zoomed fully in. Sure enough it was closer but not enough. That's with the longest zoom I have.
Now I do have a Pentax K 135mm, that I could stick on my a6000 giving me 200mm, would that work more? Or is lens compression partly focal length and partly zooming? I'm thinking the 200mm wouldn't work as well as it would magnify everything the same, foreground and background?
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Compression is down to the distance between the camera and the subject.

For example if you had a very high mp count camera you could when stood in one place take two pictures, one at 24mm and one at 400mm. When you load them onto the pc they'll look very different but if you then crop the 24mm picture to give you the same framing as the 400mm picture you'll see that the "compression" is identical.

So, it's distance that matters and creates the compression and you then use the focal length you want to get the framing you want.

You can see this without a camera. If you position someone or some thing in front of another thing and look at your composition from a close distance the near thing will be relatively large relative to the rear thing but as you move further away the front thing begins to look smaller and compress into the rear thing and if the rear thing is a big thing, like Blackpool Tower, you front little thing can begin to look small PDQ.
 
snerkler said:
The effect of compression is not down to focal length per se, but the distance from the subject. If you took a shot with a 200mm lens and then a 50mm lens stood at the same spot and cropped the 50mm shot to match the 200mm shot the ‘compression’ will be the same. We tend to stand further back when using a telephoto so the longer the tele the further we stand back and therefore greater the effect of compression.
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Yup. You beat me too it.

With this, like DoF and other photography stuff, sometimes you have to really think and maybe take the pictures to prove it to yourself.
 
ancient_mariner said:
That's certainly true too, but we use focal length to allow us to 'crop reality'.
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I think the best way to use zooms is to think about the compression and apparent DoF effects and not to just stand in one place zooming in and out. Unless you're stood on a cliff or pointing the lens at the sky or at something that might bite.
 
If I want more compression it will have to be the 135 and the a6000, will try it out another night and see how it compares to my zoom at 105.

Or buy a 100-400!!!
 
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snerkler said:
Ahh, didn’t realise you could compare on the same screen (y)
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I think it's interesting to see and it's easy to think that the difference between 35 and 50 or 24 and 28 or any pair like that is just a step forward of back but I don't think my mind can accept and work with that :D I like to compose the shot and think that's how the end result will look rather than taking the shot with the thought "I'm taking this at 35mm but I'm going to crop it to 50mm FoV." And of course as above if you move forward or back your perspective changes.
 
MrMackyB said:
If I want more compression it will have to be the 135 and the a6000, will try it out another night and see how it compares to my zoom at 105.

Or buy a 100-400!!!
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Or crop (y)
 
MrMackyB said:
But the compression doesn't change when you crop?
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Did you read my post above? Compression is down to the camera to subject distance therefore you can stand further back and then crop to get more compression (y)
 
MrMackyB said:
I have a technical question over lens compression guys. I was out briefly along the river with my 24-105 and I thought it would be nice if I could pull the background in a lot closer. So I backed up a fair bit and then zoomed fully in. Sure enough it was closer but not enough. That's with the longest zoom I have.
Now I do have a Pentax K 135mm, that I could stick on my a6000 giving me 200mm, would that work more? Or is lens compression partly focal length and partly zooming? I'm thinking the 200mm wouldn't work as well as it would magnify everything the same, foreground and background?
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I quite often prefer a more compressed image than a wider one. It's also why standing back with a longer lens & shooting a pano can often work well in woodlands for example compared to a wider single shot as you'll be excluding sky, distortion & the like.
 
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