The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

snerkler said:
A lot of money to fork out just for a better EVF ;) :p
I've found the DR of the A9-II better than expected (y)
Can you not just fit a different eyecup? I have the larger one fitted on my A9-II anyway to stop me squashing my nose so much.

I'll have to check mine at some point (y)
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You won't understand till you look through that gorgeous EVF :love:

May be its good enough for you, its not for me.

That's one of the workarounds proposed, you can get a deeper on fitted and apparently that has worked for a few people.
I personally haven't bothered with any of that since I do not have this issue.
On A7C not sure it is possible to fit a different eye cup as it doesn't come with one :(
 
f/2.8 said:
Weird.
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worst part is none of the shops in UK actually had one in stock when I needed it (for both bodies).
I had a good offer from LCE for one but again no stock.

I wonder how your friend got his A1 from e-infin as they don't even list it on their website yet.
 
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nandbytes said:
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worst part is none of the shops in UK actually had one in stock when I needed it.
I had a good offer from LCE for one but again no stock.
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WEX here had some, have had them for a while. No interest in them when I was in a couple of weeks ago they said they were probably going to send them back to Norfolk. Too expensive to be main stream popular I guess.
 
f/2.8 said:
WEX here had some, have had them for a while. No interest in them when I was in a couple of weeks ago they said they were probably going to send them back to Norfolk. Too expensive to be main stream popular I guess.
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Wex in recent times are not doing much on prices. they have become a bit tight and basically do not negotiate any more.
So I have mostly stopped using them. Shame because they have a nice shop here in London.
 
nandbytes said:
Wex in recent times are not doing much on prices. they have become a bit tight and basically do not negotiate any more.
So I have mostly stopped using them. Shame because they have a nice shop here in London.
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Have done quite a bit for me recently in terms of pricing. That was with my local store though.
 
f/2.8 said:
Weird.

So you have Ditch , Swedish, polish etc on yours? @nandbytes
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Mine has English, French, Spanish, Portuguese and then various other non European countries.
 
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Fuji Dave said:
Same here too, might well go for it as love using Nik.
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So I did get it before it runs out on time, looks pretty good on using the sliders and the interface looks better. Will have a good try with it over the next day or so but so far, glad I got it.
 
snerkler said:
Mine has English, French, Spanish, Portuguese and then various other non European countries.
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Looks there may be more differences than I thought My A9II doesn’t have have French Spanish or Portuguese. U.K one has Polish , Swedish, German and a whole host of other European countries.
 
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nandbytes said:
you cannot tell if its a UK model or not from the serial number. Not sure even if Sony can tell tbh.

It was at Skomer indeed :)
I am really jealous about people who live in Wales or Scotland. such nice places to live in compared to London :(
Too bad for me work is mostly in cities like this.
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Well in that case glad you liked it :)

As for the serial that makes sense then, I found 2 used from UK Retailer and they could not tell me if they were a UK model or grey. One offered the serial number but that doesn't help then. And considering both are £500 more than a grey and come with a 3 or 6 months warranty it really doesn't make much sense to buy a used one. I'll have a think over the weekend but may just go with Panamoz they get good feedback.

Ohh one last thing, have you noticed the IBIS delay issue, I've seen a reports now that the IBIS can take quite a while to start working after the camera has been held downwards etc,
 
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Jase said:
Well in that case glad you liked it :)

As for the serial that makes sense then, I found 2 used from UK Retailer and they could not tell me if they were a UK model or grey. One offered the serial number but that doesn't help then. And considering both are £500 more than a grey and come with a 3 or 6 months warranty it really doesn't make much sense to buy a used one. I'll have a think over the weekend but may just go with Panamoz they get good feedback.

Ohh one last thing, have you noticed the IBIS issue, I've seen a reports now that the IBIS can take quite a while to start working after the camera has been held downwards etc,
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apart from a few people on dpreview no one else in the world seems to have this issue. I spoke to a sony rep who works with camera stores such as LCE and he's too got ambassadors to try it and cannot reproduce it.
I was speaking with the guy on dpreview who started the whole thing and he seems to have come to the conclusion that all the early batches with serial number starting with 337XXX have this issue and all later batches starting with 447XXXX do not have it. Mine is definitely from a later batch as it came with updated firmware plus has 447XXXX serial number.

Having looked into it all my view on it is that the issue is perhaps real and there are possibly some early bodies from first batch that have this issue. At the same time I do not put full credibility on the guy making all the noise because he claims to shoot people at wedding and apparently its affecting his stills too. If you are shooting people at a wedding and you have your shutter speed so low that you need IBIS its probably not fast enough to freeze the people either. The motion blur will make it a blurry mess anyway. so I am bit dubious about his shooting style.
 
nandbytes said:
apart from a few people on dpreview no one else in the world seems to have this issue. I spoke to a sony rep who works with camera stores such as LCE and he's too got ambassadors to try it and cannot reproduce it.
I was speaking with the guy on dpreview who started the whole thing and he seems to have come to the conclusion that all the early batches with serial number starting with 337XXX have this issue and all later batches starting with 447XXXX do not have it. Mine is definitely from a later batch as it came with updated firmware plus has 447XXXX serial number.

Having looked into it all my view on it is that the issue is perhaps real and there are possibly some early bodies from first batch that have this issue. At the same time I do not put full credibility on the guy making all the noise because he claims to shoot people at wedding and apparently its affecting his stills too. If you are shooting people at a wedding and you have your shutter speed so low that you need IBIS its probably not fast enough to freeze the people either. The motion blur will make it a blurry mess anyway. so I am bit dubious about his shooting style.
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That's good to know, thanks. The serial I was given today on a used A1 started 377 but think I'll give that a miss anyway,
 
Jase said:
That's good to know, thanks. The serial I was given today on a used A1 started 377 but think I'll give that a miss anyway,
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yeah I'd avoid the 377XXXX just in case.
I think most bodies out there are fine.
My only disappointment with it is that the IBIS isn't really improved over previous generations while canon RF could do so much better :(
People are claiming they could do 1-2 seconds handheld exposures, that'd be so useful. Would eliminate need for a tripod half the time for me.
 
nandbytes said:
apart from a few people on dpreview no one else in the world seems to have this issue.
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Quite a few people on the Sony wedding photographer groups on Facebook have said they have this issue.

The local Sony rep here is aware of it as well and has sent a couple of bodies to be investigated.

The issues seem real they just don’t seem sure yet what is causing it and if it’s just a certain batch that is affected.
 
f/2.8 said:
Quite a few people on the Sony wedding photographer groups on Facebook have said they have this issue.

The local Sony rep here is aware of it as well and has sent a couple of bodies to be investigated.

The issues seem real they just don’t seem sure yet what is causing it and if it’s just a certain batch that is affected.
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Funny only wedding photographers seems to have this issue but none of the reviewers or Sony ambassadors online :P

You are an unhappy bunch aren't ya :ROFLMAO:

I acknowledge that the issue is real. Just don't believe it's all that widespread. Much like the A7RIV+200-600mm focus issues.
 
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nandbytes said:
Funny only wedding photographers seems to have this issue but none of the reviewers or Sony ambassadors online :p

You are an unhappy bunch aren't ya :ROFLMAO:

I acknowledge that the issue is real. Just don't believe it's all that widespread. Much like the A7RIV+200-600mm focus issues.
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I would imagine that is because wedding photographers use there equipment more than most and for many different tasks as for every wedding you need to be a journalist, portrait, product, landscape and studio photographer all rolled into one.

Reviewers rarely say anything too negative, they can't as they will get cut off from getting pre production stock to review if they do. They also tend to review around needs for their own niche.

I don't know any Sony Ambassadors personally but I do know a former Fuji X photographer very well, if they are anything like him he didn't even shoot Fuji as his primary system although everything you would read online would suggest that he did. They were also under a strict embargo to not say anything derogatory about the brand and products as you would expect. Anything that any reviewer says needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, they can't bite the hand that feeds them. I also chat regularly online with a Nikon ambassador and while I have only met him once we keep in regularly contact and have done for many years. He gave glowing reviews on the Z6/Z7 even though he thought both were very disappointing. These people rarely tell the truth especially if there is anything negative to tell.
 
f/2.8 said:
I would imagine that is because wedding photographers use there equipment more than most and for many different tasks as for every wedding you need to be a journalist, portrait, product, landscape and studio photographer all rolled into one.

Reviewers rarely say anything too negative, they can't as they will get cut off from getting pre production stock to review if they do. They also tend to review around needs for their own niche.

I don't know any Sony Ambassadors personally but I do know a former Fuji X photographer very well, if they are anything like him he didn't even shoot Fuji as his primary system although everything you would read online would suggest that he did. They were also under a strict embargo to not say anything derogatory about the brand and products as you would expect. Anything that any reviewer says needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, they can't bite the hand that feeds them. I also chat regularly online with a Nikon ambassador and while I have only met him once we keep in regularly contact and have done for many years. He gave glowing reviews on the Z6/Z7 even though he thought both were very disappointing. These people rarely tell the truth especially if there is anything negative to tell.
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it not negative per say. Seems like a firmware fix if anything.
Considering the limitations with wedding not much going on in that area as far as I'm aware. Regardless wedding is one place where I wouldn't expect this to be a problem because your shutter speeds are likely to be high enough to freeze motion blur or you are using a flash anyway.
The fact that mostly wedding photographers are the ones facing this as an issue makes me more dubious about the claims.

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As I have already said, I have done my bit for the "community" and raised awareness with my Sony local rep. LCE manager and even Panamoz. Sent them the petapixel report and links to videos showing this issue. I have also got dpreview staff's attention on the matter.
So if there is an issue I hope it gets found out and fixed but I am not convinced it's widespread.
 
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nandbytes said:
it not negative per say. Seems like a firmware fix if anything.
Considering the limitations with wedding not much going on in that area as far as I'm aware. Regardless wedding is one place where I wouldn't expect this to be a problem because your shutter speeds are likely to be high enough to freeze motion blur or you are using a flash anyway.
The fact that mostly wedding photographers are the ones facing this as an issue makes me more dubious about the claims.
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Depends were you are based weddings are still happening and have been for quite some time even in the U.K. In some countries even in Europe weddings have continued as normal throughout the pandemic.

You obviously haven't shot many weddings there are plenty of occasions on a wedding day where slow shutter speeds are required, although I guess some of that will come down to shooting style.
 
f/2.8 said:
Depends were you are based weddings are still happening and have been for quite some time even in the U.K. In some countries even in Europe weddings have continued as normal throughout the pandemic.

You obviously haven't shot many weddings there are plenty of occasions on a wedding day where slow shutter speeds are required, although I guess some of that will come down to shooting style.
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one to be exact and many many moons ago :ROFLMAO: (and only as a second)
didn't enjoy it and don't think I'll go back to it any time soon.
I do shoot in other events etc but that's kinda different.
 
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nandbytes said:
You won't understand till you look through that gorgeous EVF :love:

May be its good enough for you, its not for me.

That's one of the workarounds proposed, you can get a deeper on fitted and apparently that has worked for a few people.
I personally haven't bothered with any of that since I do not have this issue.
On A7C not sure it is possible to fit a different eye cup as it doesn't come with one :(
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Im one of the people who thinks the EVF is one of my primary buying points in my next camera. It does depend on how you shoot, but I use the EVF for everything and it is probably the pressing force (along with better AF) that will drive my next upgrade this year. If the A7C had a better EVF, I would have bought it in a flash. Im guessing that the choice will be between the a7rIV or whatever Sony bring out to replace the A7III
 
MrMackyB said:
Im one of the people who thinks the EVF is one of my primary buying points in my next camera. It does depend on how you shoot, but I use the EVF for everything and it is probably the pressing force (along with better AF) that will drive my next upgrade this year. If the A7C had a better EVF, I would have bought it in a flash. Im guessing that the choice will be between the a7rIV or whatever Sony bring out to replace the A7III
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resolution of the EVF is one thing but what I have noticed really makes a difference is the magnification.
A7C really couldn't house a better EVF tbh. There isn't really space for it.
 
MrMackyB said:
Im one of the people who thinks the EVF is one of my primary buying points in my next camera. It does depend on how you shoot, but I use the EVF for everything and it is probably the pressing force (along with better AF) that will drive my next upgrade this year. If the A7C had a better EVF, I would have bought it in a flash. Im guessing that the choice will be between the a7rIV or whatever Sony bring out to replace the A7III
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I'm probably going to be dismissed as a crank, and it would be true ;), but I actually prefer the EVF on the A7C to the EVF on my, now expelled, A7Rii. I wear specs, yet can see right into the corners. Moreover, once you get used to using it I find the image it gives is much clearer. Although because of cataracts I can no longer depend on MF, I also find that easier on the A7C. Like @nandbytes I cannot see how they could fit a larger EVF without compromising the size of the body. Oh, and with very few exceptions, I only use EVF, not rear screen. There is a larger eyecup you can get for the A7C, and I bought one, but for me it made matters worse.
 
Stephen L said:
There is a larger eyecup you can get for the A7C, and I bought one, but for me it made matters worse.
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didn't realise you could attach a larger eyecup on the A7C. to me doesn't seem like it even has an eyecup!
Do you have a link to the one you bought?
 
nandbytes said:
didn't realise you could attach a larger eyecup on the A7C. to me doesn't seem like it even has an eyecup!
Do you have a link to the one you bought?
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The cup is on an arm which mounts onto the flash mount. The cup itself just sits over the eyepiece. It came direct from HK. Here. It's possibly better suited to non-spectacle wearers.
 
Have Sony sorted the newer EVF’s so that they don’t go slightly ‘grainy’ when pressing half shutter/BBF? The A7RIV was more noticeable but I still see it on the A9-II
 
I think I might have asked this before but is there a way so that when you delete and image it deletes off both cards rather than just the primary?
 
Raymond Lin said:
Don't bother, even if you can. You risk messing up the Index and the card becomes unusable until format.
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I don’t tend to but I found myself out and about and had filled the memory card and there was another photo opp so needed to free up space for a couple of shots (y)
 
snerkler said:
Have Sony sorted the newer EVF’s so that they don’t go slightly ‘grainy’ when pressing half shutter/BBF? The A7RIV was more noticeable but I still see it on the A9-II
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most EVFs drops in resolution while tracking.
On A1 it happens too, just that it drops to 5.6million dots vs. 3.7M on A7RIV or 2.36M on A9ii. so its less visible on A9II.
 
nandbytes said:
most EVFs drops in resolution while tracking.
On A1 it happens too, just that it drops to 5.6million dots vs. 3.7M on A7RIV or 2.36M on A9ii. so its less visible on A9II.
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I’ve never noticed it on other EVF’s before tbh.
 
snerkler said:
I’ve never noticed it on other EVF’s before tbh.
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AFAIK Canon ones do it too.
First gen Nikon Zs didn't but they did not shoot blackout free or as fast as sony/canon bodies.

you can shoot at lower frames which means less data to move and maintain the EVF resolution. shooting higher frame rates, with no lag and maintaining 5.6-9.6M dot resolution is a tall task for any body.

its certainly least noticeable on A1 and new Canon because of the new processors in these bodies.
 
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A page without new pictures so... An old picture :D

A7 and a manual lens but I forget which.

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And a newer one, in colour and taken just the other day. A7 and Voigtlander 35mm f1.4.

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nandbytes said:
resolution of the EVF is one thing but what I have noticed really makes a difference is the magnification.
A7C really couldn't house a better EVF tbh. There isn't really space for it.
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Absolutely, I remember trying out a X-t3 for a while, the magnification of that EVF was really nice to use...
 
MrMackyB said:
Absolutely, I remember trying out a X-t3 for a while, the magnification of that EVF was really nice to use...
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X-T3 is kinda average. Most recent FF bodies are slightly better than X-T3. After Sony A1/A7SIII its the nikon Zs followed by A7RIV, then canon R5/6 and then older sony's and fuji.
 
Stephen L said:
I'm probably going to be dismissed as a crank, and it would be true ;), but I actually prefer the EVF on the A7C to the EVF on my, now expelled, A7Rii. I wear specs, yet can see right into the corners. Moreover, once you get used to using it I find the image it gives is much clearer. Although because of cataracts I can no longer depend on MF, I also find that easier on the A7C. Like @nandbytes I cannot see how they could fit a larger EVF without compromising the size of the body. Oh, and with very few exceptions, I only use EVF, not rear screen. There is a larger eyecup you can get for the A7C, and I bought one, but for me it made matters worse.
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The biggest issue for me is light output, the worst being the Panasonic G1 which knocked out a lot and was awful to use in low light. Other than that all the cameras I have now have efv's that are good enough for me and I do MF a lot. I don't see efv's as a problem and I don't think I'd give them a thought when buying a recent camera.
 
I've only had my Sony A1 and 200-600 for a week, but I'm amazed at the cropablility of this combination - and these are reduced resolution jpgs.

Original - Spotted Flycatcher far far away:
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Cropped in and on a boiling hot day as well, so air quality wasn't the best:
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cliffG said:
I've only had my Sony A1 and 200-600 for a week, but I'm amazed at the cropablility of this combination - and these are reduced resolution jpgs.

Original - Spotted Flycatcher far far away:
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Cropped in and on a boiling hot day as well, so air quality wasn't the best:
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yep its the the best thing since sliced bread :D
 
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